[opensuse] I don't know how to make bluetooth work in 13.1 XFCE
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi, I upgraded recently this laptop from 11.4 to 13.1. I also have a fresh 13.1 partition, the behaviour is the same in both sides. In 11.4 bluetooth worked just fine. In 13.1, I see this in the log when I connect the usb-bt dongle: <3.6> 2014-01-10 23:44:22 minas-tirith bluetoothd 1764 - - Endpoint registered: sender=:1.222 path=/MediaEndpoint/A2DPSource <3.6> 2014-01-10 23:44:22 minas-tirith bluetoothd 1764 - - Endpoint registered: sender=:1.222 path=/MediaEndpoint/A2DPSink but nothing in the XFCE panel indicates it is working. What should I do? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlLQeKgACgkQja8UbcUWM1z3cQD/a1XlzttIJVlhvnMuxizvKhkP GCoCzYgrSFz9p6ga1v4A/0ffuXToicr5puoqIMSs/zf3Nrd/BFKDLY4EdJfAXOXa =O8LP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Carlos E. R.
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Hi,
I upgraded recently this laptop from 11.4 to 13.1. I also have a fresh 13.1 partition, the behaviour is the same in both sides.
In 11.4 bluetooth worked just fine.
In 13.1, I see this in the log when I connect the usb-bt dongle:
<3.6> 2014-01-10 23:44:22 minas-tirith bluetoothd 1764 - - Endpoint registered: sender=:1.222 path=/MediaEndpoint/A2DPSource <3.6> 2014-01-10 23:44:22 minas-tirith bluetoothd 1764 - - Endpoint registered: sender=:1.222 path=/MediaEndpoint/A2DPSink
but nothing in the XFCE panel indicates it is working.
What should I do?
Punt? bluez5 is not backward compatible with bluez4 and they can't be co-installed. openSUSE 13.1 only has bluez5. I assume XFCE only supports bluez4. Totally untested, but you could try uninstalling bluez5 and install a old version of bluez4 from KDE3: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=KDE%3AKDE3&package=bluez fyi: fedora has the same problem: http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-users/2013-12/msg00609.html Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-01-11 00:03, Greg Freemyer wrote:
What should I do?
Punt?
bluez5 is not backward compatible with bluez4 and they can't be co-installed. openSUSE 13.1 only has bluez5. I assume XFCE only supports bluez4.
Why should I care about bluez4? I'm using XFCE in 13.1, and the release notes talk about KDE not being ready for bluez5. I'm not using KDE, but XFCE, so that should not affect me. I assume that XFCE IS ready and uses the available bluez 5 in the system. If XFCE is affected, why was not this told in the release notes as well? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlLQfZcACgkQja8UbcUWM1wlxgD/R2z2wAri3aEj8asmdOdjXwwX qkQT6tkHOuCGNKoGBQIA/RNz79nACZ3Lg3LbzHLGiRI8ST1CxvP0w7xA9k+UO4sH =sglR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Carlos E. R.
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On 2014-01-11 00:03, Greg Freemyer wrote:
What should I do?
Punt?
bluez5 is not backward compatible with bluez4 and they can't be co-installed. openSUSE 13.1 only has bluez5. I assume XFCE only supports bluez4.
Why should I care about bluez4? I'm using XFCE in 13.1, and the release notes talk about KDE not being ready for bluez5. I'm not using KDE, but XFCE, so that should not affect me. I assume that XFCE IS ready and uses the available bluez 5 in the system.
I'm fairly sure you're wrong. This is one of the few posts on factory I could find: http://markmail.org/message/zc5mlqixmsatxo7e Basically that thread says Gnome should work. KDE is being worked on and at least in August they didn't even have a plan for the other DEs. I don't know of any ongoing effort to fix bluetooth for anything but KDE.
If XFCE is affected, why was not this told in the release notes as well?
No idea. File a bug and they might fix the release notes for future potential upgraders.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
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On 1/10/2014 3:32 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Basically that thread says Gnome should work. KDE is being worked on and at least in August they didn't even have a plan for the other DEs. I don't know of any ongoing effort to fix bluetooth for anything but KDE.
Not to reopen an old wounds, but why was Bluez adopted and bluedevil dropped if the development was in such a sorry state? -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:35 PM, John Andersen
On 1/10/2014 3:32 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Basically that thread says Gnome should work. KDE is being worked on and at least in August they didn't even have a plan for the other DEs. I don't know of any ongoing effort to fix bluetooth for anything but KDE.
Not to reopen an old wounds, but why was Bluez adopted and bluedevil dropped if the development was in such a sorry state?
As I understand it: bluedevil wasn't dropped. It sits on top of bluez. bluez 5 has been out for a year, so it is relatively mature. Gnome updated to use it 6 or so months ago. bluedevil is in the final stages of being updated. The opensuse devs thought fedora 20 coming out in december would drive the bluedevil devs to get it done before fedora 20 came out, thus they expected an updated bluedevil by early Dec. Unfortunately bluedevil is only used by KDE, so even after it is updated, the rest of the DEs won't have bluez5 support. I'm surprised the bluez4 based bluetooth stack isn't still in OBS for 13.1 for those that want to use DEs other than Gnome / KDE. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-01-11 00:32, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
If XFCE is affected, why was not this told in the release notes as well?
No idea. File a bug and they might fix the release notes for future potential upgraders.
XFCE is GTK based and in fact it uses some parts from Gnome. It should just work. Otherwise, it will be true that Bluetooth is completely broken in 13.1, as only Gnome works. Nice. :-/ - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLQinwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XCSACfWcJ6toA4JgHKZ/dFIu5DeIJI DFwAn2eexeRo+tjySaJCHkE1Hc/eqrAm =v4Np -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-01-11 01:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2014-01-11 00:32, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
If XFCE is affected, why was not this told in the release notes as well?
No idea. File a bug and they might fix the release notes for future potential upgraders.
XFCE is GTK based and in fact it uses some parts from Gnome. It should just work.
I did some invetigating. In 12.3 XFCE just uses the Gnome tool set for bluetooth, I have just verified it. It is done by '/usr/bin/bluetooth-applet', which is: cer@Telcontar:~> which bluetooth-applet /usr/bin/bluetooth-applet cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -qf /usr/bin/bluetooth-applet gnome-bluetooth-3.6.1-3.1.2.x86_64 cer@Telcontar:~> If you call configure on it, it uses "gnome-control-center bluetooth". One rumour I heard was that the gnome people had modified things so that others, like the xfce people, would not be able to use them. Maybe that is why bluetooth no longer works on xfce. :-? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
On Sat 11 Jan 2014 04:24:40 AM CST, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2014-01-11 01:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2014-01-11 00:32, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
If XFCE is affected, why was not this told in the release notes as well?
No idea. File a bug and they might fix the release notes for future potential upgraders.
XFCE is GTK based and in fact it uses some parts from Gnome. It should just work.
I did some invetigating.
In 12.3 XFCE just uses the Gnome tool set for bluetooth, I have just verified it. It is done by '/usr/bin/bluetooth-applet', which is:
cer@Telcontar:~> which bluetooth-applet /usr/bin/bluetooth-applet cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -qf /usr/bin/bluetooth-applet gnome-bluetooth-3.6.1-3.1.2.x86_64 cer@Telcontar:~>
If you call configure on it, it uses "gnome-control-center bluetooth".
One rumour I heard was that the gnome people had modified things so that others, like the xfce people, would not be able to use them. Maybe that is why bluetooth no longer works on xfce.
:-?
Hi Just connect manually? hcitool scan hcitool cc <bdaddr> -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 13.1 (Bottle) (x86_64) GNOME 3.10.2 Kernel 3.11.6-4-desktop up 2 days 1:18, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.05 CPU Intel® B840@1.9GHz | GPU Intel® Sandybridge Mobile -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-01-11 05:13, Malcolm wrote:
Hi Just connect manually?
hcitool scan
Device is not available: No such device
hcitool cc <bdaddr>
minas-tirith:~ # systemctl status bluetooth.service bluetooth.service - Bluetooth service Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service; enabled) Active: active (running) since Sat 2014-01-11 04:11:37 CET; 8h ago Docs: man:bluetoothd(8) Main PID: 1433 (bluetoothd) Status: "Running" CGroup: /system.slice/bluetooth.service └─1433 /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd ... minas-tirith:~ # ls /dev/hc* ls: cannot access /dev/hc*: No such file or directory minas-tirith:~ # minas-tirith:~ # hcitool dev Devices: minas-tirith:~ # On 12.3: Telcontar:~ # ls /dev/hc* ls: cannot access /dev/hc*: No such file or directory Telcontar:~ # hcitool scan Scanning ... Telcontar:~ # Telcontar:~ # hcitool dev Devices: hci0 00:... Telcontar:~ # -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
On 2014-01-11 12:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2014-01-11 05:13, Malcolm wrote:
Hi Just connect manually?
hcitool scan
Device is not available: No such device
I have started a new thread about using it in text mode. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-01-11 04:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
One rumour I heard was that the gnome people had modified things so that others, like the xfce people, would not be able to use them. Maybe that is why bluetooth no longer works on xfce.
:-?
It seems there is truth in that. The XFCE functionality in XFCE has been removed. The bugzilla I started says: +++····················· - --- Comment #1 from Guido Berhörster <> 2014-01-11 09:38:51 UTC --- There is nothing in Xfce that handles Bluetooth devices (and there never has been). Older releases (until 12.1 IIRC) included gnome-bluetooth in the Xfce pattern but that was removed since it grew a dependency on gnome-control-center which in turn drags in almost all of GNOME. ·····················++- Dmam it. :-/ - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLRMaMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UbCQCfTTqdLnxW979mBiFKHq0QWSXX 8toAoIaUqMs2GYRDKWolKokUUPomoyUd =JENk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Carlos E. R.
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On 2014-01-11 04:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
One rumour I heard was that the gnome people had modified things so that others, like the xfce people, would not be able to use them. Maybe that is why bluetooth no longer works on xfce.
:-?
It seems there is truth in that. The XFCE functionality in XFCE has been removed.
The bugzilla I started says:
+++····················· - --- Comment #1 from Guido Berhörster <> 2014-01-11 09:38:51 UTC ---
There is nothing in Xfce that handles Bluetooth devices (and there never has been). Older releases (until 12.1 IIRC) included gnome-bluetooth in the Xfce pattern but that was removed since it grew a dependency on gnome-control-center which in turn drags in almost all of GNOME. ·····················++-
Dmam it. :-/
There was also some rather.. impolite words exchanged about this between the Gnome developers responsible for the change and the rest of the community that wanted to re-use the Gnome components. The distilled form is... the Gnome guys were accused of trying to create lock-in/lock-out, and the Gnome guys said "yah, and?" It's unfortunate... messy and... hard to fix. My current workaround on the one device (x86 tablet) I have that needs working Bluetooth is to install Gnome and the DE I really want to use. Log into Gnome, pair the Bluetooth, log out, log into my preferred DE (KDE4 is so much more friendly on touch-tablet devices) and the pairing sticks until I reboot, or the tablet goes into standby/hibernation. C. -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-01-11 13:13, C wrote:
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
Dmam it. :-/
There was also some rather.. impolite words exchanged about this between the Gnome developers responsible for the change and the rest of the community that wanted to re-use the Gnome components. The distilled form is... the Gnome guys were accused of trying to create lock-in/lock-out, and the Gnome guys said "yah, and?"
It's unfortunate... messy and... hard to fix.
Yeah, and we thought that opensource was about open collaboration. Maybe the gnome people did not like people going away from gnome to xfce after the drastic changes to the interface in gnome 3, so they took this route.
My current workaround on the one device (x86 tablet) I have that needs working Bluetooth is to install Gnome and the DE I really want to use. Log into Gnome, pair the Bluetooth, log out, log into my preferred DE (KDE4 is so much more friendly on touch-tablet devices) and the pairing sticks until I reboot, or the tablet goes into standby/hibernation.
I'm considering removing all gnome things (I have it fully installed) in retaliation. I have been a gnome user/lover for a decade, but this is hateful. I'll switch to using bluetooth in text mode, if I can manage to make it working (see my new thread about this). Otherwise, I'll use a virtual machine with Windows if need be. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLROTEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WIKwCdFQRbwS4ldnqFXUbAMs+R5/aP d/QAmwWItD6jTujK/b+RQnzSCo1DCbrT =u1WW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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В Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:29:38 +0100
"Carlos E. R."
Yeah, and we thought that opensource was about open collaboration.
C'mon, really. It has always been about scratching own itch. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlLRWXwACgkQR6LMutpd94z6sgCdGzVnCS+3J73uzcAo9vWWtcP6 uyQAn1wQEt//Wu5bwqyhFxwmDm6zQtEG =ztXp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-01-11 15:47, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
В Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:29:38 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> пишет:
Yeah, and we thought that opensource was about open collaboration.
C'mon, really. It has always been about scratching own itch.
I must be rather naive. :-} - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLRWwUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XRIwCfXGWE7AyrhFWEymKrBwQwTADb hhsAnj38u2XlK9U2ZxbBgQBECXSYYV3m =xqtU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-01-11 00:32, Greg Freemyer wrote:
No idea. File a bug and they might fix the release notes for future potential upgraders.
Done. Bug 858380 - 13.1: Bluetooth does not work in XFCE - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLQjKwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XOrwCdGIiP4n2hfU3VRS1l2RaJDSf3 hsoAn3mPrzhMHjIJnCCNPUKx5hR9sODr =7ScN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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