'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this? Thanks! Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 25/11/09 15:31, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting
Perhaps you should have added just a tad more horse-manure and just a bit more compost starter and water to help the composting along...
is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems.
Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
See above.
Thanks!
No problemo. Any time.
Fred
BC ( :-D ) -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/24/2009 11:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 15:31, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting
Perhaps you should have added just a tad more horse-manure and just a bit more compost starter and water to help the composting along...
is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems.
Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
See above.
'Not very funny at this point, Basil. I need it to work properly. I'd advised him not to buy anything with ATI, but........ Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 25/11/09 16:18, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On 11/24/2009 11:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 15:31, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting
Perhaps you should have added just a tad more horse-manure and just a bit more compost starter and water to help the composting along...
is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems.
Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
See above.
'Not very funny at this point, Basil. I need it to work properly. I'd advised him not to buy anything with ATI, but........
Sorry, Fred, one of those one just cannot resist...... But, you told him not buy anything with ATI in it...but he did...and, the worse part is, you nevertheless accepted the job to install (I assume) 11.2 on his 'puter with ATI-anything on it.... :-( . (Just tell him that 3D is just not, well simply, not worth it. Slows one down....the cpu usage goes up....the temperature of the CPU goes up..... the 'puter will not last as long with all the extra heat being generated.....the heat will burn his groin...and possibly blow his nuts off if the battery overheats....) BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/25/2009 12:35 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 16:18, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On 11/24/2009 11:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 15:31, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting
Perhaps you should have added just a tad more horse-manure and just a bit more compost starter and water to help the composting along...
is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems.
Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
See above.
'Not very funny at this point, Basil. I need it to work properly. I'd advised him not to buy anything with ATI, but........
Sorry, Fred, one of those one just cannot resist......
Yeah, I know......just get tired of ATI and their garbage at times.
But, you told him not buy anything with ATI in it...but he did...and, the worse part is, you nevertheless accepted the job to install (I assume) 11.2 on his 'puter with ATI-anything on it.... :-( .
(Just tell him that 3D is just not, well simply, not worth it. Slows one down....the cpu usage goes up....the temperature of the CPU goes up..... the 'puter will not last as long with all the extra heat being generated.....the heat will burn his groin...and possibly blow his nuts off if the battery overheats....)
Hehehehehehe.........I'd like to! ;) But, it MUST work properly. Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 16:35 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 16:18, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On 11/24/2009 11:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 15:31, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting
Perhaps you should have added just a tad more horse-manure and just a bit more compost starter and water to help the composting along...
is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems.
Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
See above.
'Not very funny at this point, Basil. I need it to work properly. I'd advised him not to buy anything with ATI, but........
Sorry, Fred, one of those one just cannot resist......
But, you told him not buy anything with ATI in it...but he did...and, the worse part is, you nevertheless accepted the job to install (I assume) 11.2 on his 'puter with ATI-anything on it.... :-( .
(Just tell him that 3D is just not, well simply, not worth it. Slows one down....the cpu usage goes up....the temperature of the CPU goes up..... the 'puter will not last as long with all the extra heat being generated.....the heat will burn his groin...and possibly blow his nuts off if the battery overheats....)
Or switch the system to Ubuntu (9.04), my lappy with an ATI card and 3d stuff works just fine. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/25/2009 01:57 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 16:35 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 16:18, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On 11/24/2009 11:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 15:31, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting
Perhaps you should have added just a tad more horse-manure and just a bit more compost starter and water to help the composting along...
is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems.
Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
See above.
'Not very funny at this point, Basil. I need it to work properly. I'd advised him not to buy anything with ATI, but........
Sorry, Fred, one of those one just cannot resist......
But, you told him not buy anything with ATI in it...but he did...and, the worse part is, you nevertheless accepted the job to install (I assume) 11.2 on his 'puter with ATI-anything on it.... :-( .
(Just tell him that 3D is just not, well simply, not worth it. Slows one down....the cpu usage goes up....the temperature of the CPU goes up..... the 'puter will not last as long with all the extra heat being generated.....the heat will burn his groin...and possibly blow his nuts off if the battery overheats....)
Or switch the system to Ubuntu (9.04), my lappy with an ATI card and 3d stuff works just fine.
Is it an HD3100 chipset?! Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 02:20 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On 11/25/2009 01:57 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
Or switch the system to Ubuntu (9.04), my lappy with an ATI card and 3d stuff works just fine.
Is it an HD3100 chipset?!
No, it's a Radeon Express 1100 card. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/26/2009 12:06 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 02:20 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On 11/25/2009 01:57 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
Or switch the system to Ubuntu (9.04), my lappy with an ATI card and 3d stuff works just fine.
Is it an HD3100 chipset?!
No, it's a Radeon Express 1100 card.
That's a much newer chipset, if I remember correctly. The HD3100 is STILL being used in new computers "on the shelf" today, but ATI decided the was one of the "old" chipsets. I'm growing more anti-ATI/AMD by the day. :( Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 25/11/09 17:57, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 16:35 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 16:18, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On 11/24/2009 11:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 15:31, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting
Perhaps you should have added just a tad more horse-manure and just a bit more compost starter and water to help the composting along...
is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems.
Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
See above.
'Not very funny at this point, Basil. I need it to work properly. I'd advised him not to buy anything with ATI, but........
Sorry, Fred, one of those one just cannot resist......
But, you told him not buy anything with ATI in it...but he did...and, the worse part is, you nevertheless accepted the job to install (I assume) 11.2 on his 'puter with ATI-anything on it.... :-( .
(Just tell him that 3D is just not, well simply, not worth it. Slows one down....the cpu usage goes up....the temperature of the CPU goes up..... the 'puter will not last as long with all the extra heat being generated.....the heat will burn his groin...and possibly blow his nuts off if the battery overheats....)
Or switch the system to Ubuntu (9.04), my lappy with an ATI card and 3d stuff works just fine.
Considering from what I have read that 9.10 was a total disaster as a release I am not surprised that you are suggesting the installation of 9.04 :-) . The question here is, with 9.04 using an old kernel, is the problem with the ATI driver or is it kernel related? I thought that I had read recently that the ATI drivers were improved and released (?)a few weeks ago - but don't quote me, it's just something which I seem to have read somewhere, maybe :-) . BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/25/2009 02:47 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: [snip]
Considering from what I have read that 9.10 was a total disaster as a release I am not surprised that you are suggesting the installation of 9.04 :-) . The question here is, with 9.04 using an old kernel, is the problem with the ATI driver or is it kernel related?
I thought that I had read recently that the ATI drivers were improved and released (?)a few weeks ago - but don't quote me, it's just something which I seem to have read somewhere, maybe :-) .
No, surprisingly, you're memory is correct.....this time. ;) 9.04 DOES work well on SOME hardware. The latest ATI/AMD unified driver will work on some systems, BUT the chipset has to be one of the latest. The problem is that there's a lot of "older" chipsets being used on NEW 'puters in stores presently and there's only 2D support with NO acceleration!! AMD awhile ago blew it's nose and said they want to support the "older" chipsets, but there's been NO movement in that direction and I'm not about to hold my breath waiting for them. The numskulls at ATI who write drivers should be fired, and simply make ALL the specs open source!!! The Linux community could have GOOD drivers written in no time. Fred -- A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 November 2009 02:17:15 Fred A. Miller wrote:
The numskulls at ATI who write drivers should be fired, and simply make ALL the specs open source!!! The Linux community could have GOOD drivers written in no time.
You are optimist, or you have one of "can't resist" moments :-) I have one of older ATI chipsets (X200) and I can't use proprietary drivers as they either don't support those chipsets (newer versions), or don't compile with new kernel (older versions). The "in no time" version (opensource,radeon) is buggy and needs workaround to boot computer. -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/25/2009 09:18 PM, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 25 November 2009 02:17:15 Fred A. Miller wrote:
The numskulls at ATI who write drivers should be fired, and simply make ALL the specs open source!!! The Linux community could have GOOD drivers written in no time.
You are optimist, or you have one of "can't resist" moments :-)
Probably both. But, I have seen how when the "community" has the code it needs to write good drivers, they can do so in good time.
I have one of older ATI chipsets (X200) and I can't use proprietary drivers as they either don't support those chipsets (newer versions), or don't compile with new kernel (older versions). The "in no time" version (opensource,radeon) is buggy and needs workaround to boot computer.
The os version is the best that can be done when you don't have all the info. needed to write a good driver(s). ATI/AMD hasn't released the code needed to write good drivers, so the "community" can't be blamed. Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:47 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 25/11/09 17:57, Mike McMullin wrote:
Or switch the system to Ubuntu (9.04), my lappy with an ATI card and 3d stuff works just fine.
Considering from what I have read that 9.10 was a total disaster as a release I am not surprised that you are suggesting the installation of 9.04 :-) . The question here is, with 9.04 using an old kernel, is the problem with the ATI driver or is it kernel related?
I haven't dl'ed the 9.10 install disk, but I am running the latest kernel for 9.04, and I couldn't tell you if it's the driver or the kernel that problematic.
I thought that I had read recently that the ATI drivers were improved and released (?)a few weeks ago - but don't quote me, it's just something which I seem to have read somewhere, maybe :-) .
Hmmm, I should see which driver version I have installed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 November 2009 10:31:58 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems.
i had a similar thing happen to me -- compositing didn't work -- i went into System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects -> Advanced and changed Compositing type from Xrender to OpenGL -- after that i can get dizzy with the spinning cube along with everyone else hth, sc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/25/2009 12:52 AM, sc wrote:
On Tuesday 24 November 2009 10:31:58 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Have a client who bought a Toshiba with an ATI HD-3100 video chipset. I installed the kernel headers and ran the ATI driver installer, which went smoothly. The only problem is, when I go into the KDE desktop setup, composting is temporarily disabled and it REFUSES to turn on and stay on, thus no 3D. The ATI config. software under KDE seems fine....sets up with no problems.
i had a similar thing happen to me -- compositing didn't work -- i went into System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects -> Advanced and changed Compositing type from Xrender to OpenGL -- after that i can get dizzy with the spinning cube along with everyone else
It was set for OpenGL by default.....maybe I should try Xrender. Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 November 2009 12:03:51 am Fred A. Miller wrote:
It was set for OpenGL by default.....maybe I should try Xrender.
can't hurt to try -- especially since i have an nvidia graphics card and yours is ati -- it may be just what you need sc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/25/2009 01:31 AM, sc wrote:
On Wednesday 25 November 2009 12:03:51 am Fred A. Miller wrote:
It was set for OpenGL by default.....maybe I should try Xrender.
can't hurt to try -- especially since i have an nvidia graphics card and yours is ati -- it may be just what you need
It would appear that 3D for ATI cards for Linux is a contradiction. I had hoped that when AMD bought ATI, the Linux support would improve. It hasn't and that speaks poorly about AMD. Fred -- "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." --George Washington -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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