Part one: I ordered Suse 9.1 Pro on 5-15 and it's still on backorder.... Part two: I have three boxes (one linux, one Win98se and one Winxp) connected to a Linksys 100/10 base T hub. The hub is then connected to a SpeedStream 5250 SDSL modem which is my DSL interface, Everything works fine. My question is - what equipment do I have to add to or replace in this set-up to go wireless and keep the same performance? I'd like to get the wires off the floor and stop feeding my wifes hungry vacume. Tks, Wade
On Thursday 27 May 2004 01:12 am, Wade Taylor wrote:
Part one: I ordered Suse 9.1 Pro on 5-15 and it's still on backorder....
Part two: I have three boxes (one linux, one Win98se and one Winxp) connected to a Linksys 100/10 base T hub. The hub is then connected to a SpeedStream 5250 SDSL modem which is my DSL interface, Everything works fine. My question is - what equipment do I have to add to or replace in this set-up to go wireless and keep the same performance? I'd like to get the wires off the floor and stop feeding my wifes hungry vacume.
Tks, Wade
Either 802.11b or 802.11g Wi-Fi. b=11mbps (equivalent to 10mb wired) and g=54mbps (half of 100mb wired). If you do lots of larger file transfers (backups, pictures, mp3s, etc) then opt for the 802.11g. This will never equal the throughput of a 100mb wired connection so get your expectations lower. If you don't mind or notice the slower throughput then wireless is good - IF you properly secure it. If you have a 10/100 hub and not a switch and if you have any 10mb device connected to it ALL of your devices are running at 10mb when talking to each other. IF this is the case in your setup then 802.11g will seem very fast. I don't remember seeing any 802.11g access point set up as a hub. I believe they are all switch based technology. Wireless networking throughput is dependent on distance between devices; signal strength of each transmitter/receiver; physical barriers such as walls and what they are made of (reflectivity off metal such as forced air ventilation runs, etc); interference from other wireless devices and electric motors and microwave ovens, etc; and increased overhead for encryption and security of WEP. Generally your reception in and around a single story house should be very good. YMWV (Your Milage WILL Vary), Stan
OK - This is my first post, but I thought I would try and give you my humble opinion Either 802.11b or 802.11g Wi-Fi. b=11mbps (equivalent to 10mb wired) and
g=54mbps (half of 100mb wired).
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the protocols eat into this transfer speed, and the connection is half- duplex, so actual transfers will usually be at c. 3mbps for 802.11b and c.17mbps for 802.11g. Perfectly adequate for surfing and transfering small amounts of data, but as SRGlasoe points out not so great for (backups, pictures, mp3s, etc). You could increase this marginally by not using WEP and instead only allowing access by a MAC address - a bit of a security risk, but as long as you don't work for MI5.... Just a suggestion but how about a Linksys WRT54G? This is a combined 4-port 10/100 switch and 802.11g WAP, this should future-proof you for a while? _ (\o/) /_\ Henry On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 17:27, SRGlasoe wrote:
On Thursday 27 May 2004 01:12 am, Wade Taylor wrote:
Part one: I ordered Suse 9.1 Pro on 5-15 and it's still on backorder....
Part two: I have three boxes (one linux, one Win98se and one Winxp) connected to a Linksys 100/10 base T hub. The hub is then connected to a SpeedStream 5250 SDSL modem which is my DSL interface, Everything works fine. My question is - what equipment do I have to add to or replace in this set-up to go wireless and keep the same performance? I'd like to get the wires off the floor and stop feeding my wifes hungry vacume.
Tks, Wade
Either 802.11b or 802.11g Wi-Fi. b=11mbps (equivalent to 10mb wired) and g=54mbps (half of 100mb wired). If you do lots of larger file transfers (backups, pictures, mp3s, etc) then opt for the 802.11g. This will never equal the throughput of a 100mb wired connection so get your expectations lower. If you don't mind or notice the slower throughput then wireless is good - IF you properly secure it. If you have a 10/100 hub and not a switch and if you have any 10mb device connected to it ALL of your devices are running at 10mb when talking to each other. IF this is the case in your setup then 802.11g will seem very fast. I don't remember seeing any 802.11g access point set up as a hub. I believe they are all switch based technology.
Wireless networking throughput is dependent on distance between devices; signal strength of each transmitter/receiver; physical barriers such as walls and what they are made of (reflectivity off metal such as forced air ventilation runs, etc); interference from other wireless devices and electric motors and microwave ovens, etc; and increased overhead for encryption and security of WEP. Generally your reception in and around a single story house should be very good.
YMWV (Your Milage WILL Vary), Stan -- _ (\o/) /_\ Henry
On Thursday 27 May 2004 12:04 pm, Henry Standing wrote:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the protocols eat into this transfer speed, and the connection is half- duplex Hadn't heard that it is only half-duplex. That just means it either transmits or receives but not both at once. Most often these 'wire' speeds are referred to in the half-duplex rating of one-way only. Full-duplex allows for coming and going at the same time so a 10/100 would then be 20/200 or double the half-duplex rating (theoretical maximums).
You could increase this marginally by not using WEP and instead only allowing access by a MAC address - a bit of a security risk, but as long as you don't work for MI5....
Or care that some one could use your connection to download kiddie porn... It is still traceable through your ISP connection and depending on your configuration it could be cached on your machines... I strongly urge Wade to get the wires off the floor first and do NOT get wireless if wireless security doesn't matter to him. Wired provides better security versus wireless IF you don't know how to secure wireless.
Just a suggestion but how about a Linksys WRT54G?
This is a combined 4-port 10/100 switch and 802.11g WAP, this should future-proof you for a while? /_\ Henry
Good idea. Keep wired connections where speed is essential and wireless for the laptop/pda/refrigerator/whatever. Stan
On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 18:43, SRGlasoe wrote:
You could increase this marginally by not using WEP and instead only allowing access by a MAC address - a bit of a security risk, but as long as you don't work for MI5....
Or care that some one could use your connection to download kiddie porn... It is still traceable through your ISP connection and depending on your configuration it could be cached on your machines... I strongly urge Wade to get the wires off the floor first and do NOT get wireless if wireless security doesn't matter to him. Wired provides better security versus wireless IF you don't know how to secure wireless.
Good point! I currently use WEP, but had heard it is possible to lock WAPs, so only specific devices could connect - based on MAC address? Of course this wouldn't stop someone REALLY determined to connect to your LAN, but then again neither will 64-bit WEP keys. Overall Stan is right though. The marginal increase in performance is heavily outweighed by sharing your DSL with any kid in a 200 yard radius... Good idea. Keep wired connections where speed is essential and wireless for
the laptop/pda/refrigerator/whatever.
This approach works for me, I use a Netgear DG824M - combined 4-port switch DSL modem and 802.11b AP; a good combination of speed and convenience. I would still go for the Linksys though. -- _ (\o/) Henry Standing /_\ Systems Engineer Oxford Policy Management
On Thursday 27 May 2004 12:04 pm, Henry Standing wrote:
Just a suggestion but how about a Linksys WRT54G?
Henry
Weren't we just talking about these things? Check out what Cringley has to say about them.... http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040527.html Maybe we should all get one and create our own VOIP company? Stan
On Thursday 27 May 2004 09:04, Henry Standing wrote:
Either 802.11b or 802.11g Wi-Fi. b=11mbps (equivalent to 10mb wired) and
g=54mbps (half of 100mb wired).
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the protocols eat into this transfer speed, and the connection is half- duplex, so actual transfers will usually be at c. 3mbps for 802.11b and c.17mbps for 802.11g. Perfectly adequate for surfing and transfering small amounts of data, but as SRGlasoe points out not so great for (backups, pictures, mp3s, etc).
Most people can't afford an internet connection fast enough to max out an 802.11G card, but if you can, I'm jelouse ;-) Running the various bandwidth tests on my laptop with a G card and comparing that to my 100mge built in nic, the speed is the same.
You could increase this marginally by not using WEP and instead only allowing access by a MAC address - a bit of a security risk, but as long as you don't work for MI5....
I wonder if there is any noticable difference turning off wep. Is this encryption done in the nic or the software. If done in software by your main processor i would be willing to bet the difference is not measurable in the real world. There is always Dual Band 802.11G - 108meg, of which you can often get 75 to 80. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
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Henry Standing
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John Andersen
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SRGlasoe
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