[S.u.S.E. Linux] 64+Megs and I have never needed to append LILO
Hello SuSE (save space don't use the periods in-between) IMHO :) Anyways I have always wondered why that a SuSE user doesn't need an append line in LILO to use more than 64 Megs. I have brought it up before, and people either don't know or ask if I use a developers kernel or something. Which I don't and I have 128Megs, never had my SuSE have a problem with seeing and useing that much memory. My TOP: 8:47pm up 50 min, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.02 62 processes: 60 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 2.70ser, 2.7ystem, 0.0ice, 94.9 0dle Mem: 127852K av, 80572K used, 47280K free, 42624K shrd, 3396K buff Swap: 124988K av, 0K used, 124988K free 32424K cached Look! I don't even need my SWAP, or use it at least. printf("SuSE is wierd!\n"); Steven Udell - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Steven Udell wrote:
Hello SuSE (save space don't use the periods in-between) IMHO :)
Anyways I have always wondered why that a SuSE user doesn't need an append line in LILO to use more than 64 Megs. I have brought it up before, and people either don't know or ask if I use a developers kernel or something. Which I don't and I have 128Megs, never had my SuSE have a problem with seeing and useing that much memory.
My TOP: 8:47pm up 50 min, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.02 62 processes: 60 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 2.70ser, 2.7ystem, 0.0ice, 94.9 0dle Mem: 127852K av, 80572K used, 47280K free, 42624K shrd, 3396K buff
Swap: 124988K av, 0K used, 124988K free 32424K cached
Look! I don't even need my SWAP, or use it at least.
printf("SuSE is wierd!\n");
Steven Udell
This is good news for me, as I am planning on building a box piece by piece, and 128 MB SDRAM was one of my future purchases. -- Aaron Seelye <A HREF="http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto"><A HREF="http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto</A">http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
I am getting 128megs of pc100 ram with my new mobo, and man did my sphincter pucker when I saw what they get for that stuff. I'm gonna wait a month or two to try to catch intel's next price cut, and hopefully pc100 will be a little less. -- ==================================================================== Michael Lankton <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org</A</A>> ==================================================================== - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
How much $ makes your sphincter pucker? I've seen it here in San Diego for $170 for a single 128meg pc100 chip. That's not too bad...I still remember paying $450 for 16megs 3-4 years ago! Mark --- Michael Lankton wrote:
I am getting 128megs of pc100 ram with my new mobo, and man did my sphincter pucker when I saw what they get for that stuff. I'm gonna wait a month or two to try to catch intel's next price cut, and hopefully pc100 will be a little less.
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You're right, it has come down in price. I just hit pricewatch and saw 128mb for $150, and that is bearable. The last time I looked it was $200-$250, which just shocked me cause I was used to cheap edo simms. Mark Wagnon wrote:
How much $ makes your sphincter pucker? I've seen it here in San Diego for $170 for a single 128meg pc100 chip. That's not too bad...I still remember paying $450 for 16megs 3-4 years ago!
Mark
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On Sat, Jul 18, 1998 at 08:50:38PM -0700, Steven Udell wrote:
Hello SuSE (save space don't use the periods in-between) IMHO :)
Anyways I have always wondered why that a SuSE user doesn't need an append line in LILO to use more than 64 Megs. I have brought it up before, and people either don't know or ask if I use a developers kernel or something. Which I don't and I have 128Megs, never had my SuSE have a problem with seeing and useing that much memory.
My TOP: 8:47pm up 50 min, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.02 62 processes: 60 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 2.70ser, 2.7ystem, 0.0ice, 94.9 0dle Mem: 127852K av, 80572K used, 47280K free, 42624K shrd, 3396K buff
Swap: 124988K av, 0K used, 124988K free 32424K cached
Look! I don't even need my SWAP, or use it at least.
printf("SuSE is wierd!\n");
Steven Udell
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On the other hand; on compaq deskpro 2000s with 48, 64, of 128mb of memory we always have had to use the append statement to get anything more than 14mb (yecch) ouf of them. Running SuSE 5.0 through 5.2 on them BTW. On my system that is a build your own, I have 64mb. No problems here. The deskpro line includes the P133, P166 classic, and the P166mmx systems. I have not tried it on our new standard desktop yet which is the Deskpro EN. But why should compaq spoil a perfectly good "append" now? :) -- ---------------- Michael E. Perry mperry@basin.com - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Steven Udell wrote:
Hello SuSE (save space don't use the periods in-between) IMHO :)
Anyways I have always wondered why that a SuSE user doesn't need an append line in LILO to use more than 64 Megs. I have brought it up before, and people either don't know or ask if I use a developers kernel or something. Which I don't and I have 128Megs, never had my SuSE have a problem with seeing and useing that much memory.
My TOP: 8:47pm up 50 min, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.02 62 processes: 60 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 2.70ser, 2.7ystem, 0.0ice, 94.9 0dle Mem: 127852K av, 80572K used, 47280K free, 42624K shrd, 3396K buff Swap: 124988K av, 0K used, 124988K free 32424Kcached
Look! I don't even need my SWAP, or use it at least.
Well on futher note, I did build my system myself. Here is the basics <Yea I wana show off a bit <g>> FIC PA-2012 w/1Meg Cache w/128Megs SDRAM 10nanosec K6-233MegHz CPU, AGPcard Xpert@work 8Megs w/3DfX I with 4megs. (ok way old stuff, just say no to Intel) Ok SuSE, I was told my SWAP file "must" be broken or not working right?? (if this is true its never worked from 5.0 SuSE through 5.2) No mater what I have compiling/20 things open/or whatever huge image I have up...I still get nothing/no useage out of my SWAP. 1) What do you think? Ok I still need a tech responce on why LILO doesn't need an append line to it to use more that 64Megs. Debian/RedHat/Caldera/slackware users all report they have to USE an append line. 2) What gives on this? Anyways a few things to notice: a) OSVIEW after awile or maybe a updatedb or forced fcsk will show heavy memory useage and it wont bleed off (drop down, even after hours of useage after) b) I never see my swap used at all. Never! c) Page is never used but I think that is only for lowbie PCs d) On Bootup I do see the message: <4>Starting kswapd v 1.4.2.2 (heh dunno) <4>Adding Swap: 124988k swap-space (priority -1) e) is swapon? what should I do to start it? if it aint. f) grep swapon rc.d folders didn't turn up anything if I am doing this right. g) ran out of ideas, please help. Steven Udell - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Steven Udell wrote:
Ok SuSE, I was told my SWAP file "must" be broken or not working right?? (if this is true its never worked from 5.0 SuSE through 5.2) No mater what I have compiling/20 things open/or whatever huge image I have up...I still get nothing/no useage out of my SWAP. 1) What do you think?
Do you ever use all 128 megs? I have 64, and rarely use it unless I have staroffice and netscape or gimp open at the same time. with the extra 64 you have, I wouldn't doubt that your swap is sitting idle. Saying you have 20 things open is somewhat trivial, because I could open 20 copies of Netscape, and it wouldn't take as much ram as 1 open x 20 (hope that makes sense, i know what I'm talking about:) ). I don't think compiling would be a good test, because with adequate ram, you shouldn't touch the swap. One example is where I worked. we had a 486sx-25 with 3 megs, and it took two days to compile a kernel, whereas a friend of mine can compile a kernel on his 386-16 with 16 megs in a few hours. the difference was whether the swap was necessary. --snip--
b) I never see my swap used at all. Never!
ee above --snip--
d) On Bootup I do see the message: <4>Starting kswapd v 1.4.2.2 (heh dunno) <4>Adding Swap: 124988k swap-space (priority -1) e) is swapon? what should I do to start it? if it aint.
I get this message and mine works. -- Aaron Seelye <A HREF="http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto"><A HREF="http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto</A">http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Do you ever use all 128 megs? I have 64, and rarely use it unless I have staroffice and netscape or gimp open at the same time.
Yes, this is something that continues to puzzle me -- I'll often run Netscape and Gimp on KDE, and the system will eat up 63 MB's of my memory, but when I launch yet another app, it won't write to swap. Even though memory is getting dangerously low! Also, as we know, KDE takes up a lot of resources, a large portion of which aren't freed when leaving X and returning to the console. Linux somehow manages to flush out (free up) the memory, however, when returning to X. Again, the swap partition isn't written to. Any gurus care to speak out about how these memory issues are managed? It's truly one of the unique features of the Linux OS, and I'd like to know more. -- Glenn -- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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Yes, this is something that continues to puzzle me -- I'll often run Netscape and Gimp on KDE, and the system will eat up 63 MB's of my memory, but when I launch yet another app, it won't write to swap. Even though memory is getting dangerously low!
Also, as we know, KDE takes up a lot of resources, a large portion of which aren't freed when leaving X and returning to the console. Linux somehow manages to flush out (free up) the memory, however, when returning to X. Again, the swap partition isn't written to.
Any gurus care to speak out about how these memory issues are managed? It's truly one of the unique features of the Linux OS, and I'd like to know more.
A 'guru' I am not, but I think that It could be explained by the enormous buffer when only running x. perhaps by keeping a buffer of 32+ megs, it can access memory quicker and increase performance. it would explain why opening gimp after netscapeonly takes about 3 megs o' swap, but when i close gimp, it frees up 16megs of physical memory, which slowly drains down. -- Aaron Seelye <A HREF="http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto"><A HREF="http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto</A">http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Don't be alarmed when linux uses 60 megs of ram just to have netscape and an mp3 player open. Linux uses ram for disk caching, which is easily freed for other apps as they open. It's normal in linux that you have 75-900f your ram in use at any time. I have 64 megs ram and 64 megs swap, and I have only ever seen it use swap once, but it usually has about 60 megs of ram used up. ==================================================================== Michael Lankton <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org</A</A>> ==================================================================== - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Aaron Seelye wrote:
Steven Udell wrote:
Ok SuSE, I was told my SWAP file "must" be broken or not working right?? (if this is true its never worked from 5.0 SuSE through 5.2) No mater what I have compiling/20 things open/or whatever huge image I have up...I still get nothing/no useage out of my SWAP. 1) What do you think?
Do you ever use all 128 megs? I have 64, and rarely use it unless I
Thats the thing my memory useage gets way up there most I have seen is up to 124Megs then a process starts the drags my hd into a 5 minute "thing" (dunno yet) that pulls 2-4Megs off the high end of 124Megs to down to 120Megs or so..and everyonce and awile it will go up one or 2 then back down 2-3 and so on..Still no swap useage (top nor xoview will show it) and my memory useage shown never drops back to 20Megs or so useage(as if I was just booted up and started X and my ppp and modprobe -a sound)
I have staroffice and netscape or gimp open at the same time. with the
Cant be it here, as my normal files/programs running is: 3-ircII xterms open/netscape/netscape mail/Xemacs/gimp/xv/ pico for quick-notetaking/wordperfect 7/XMCDplayer going/ compiling on and off small C programs that I am learning/ downloading something or other/MUDing through tintin/ a game or two like FreeCiv or Xgaliga or something/ XNest332 running a wm in a box on my main wm/squid/ apache going on in the background..and whatever else I can think of, I don't close my applications very much..
Saying you have 20 things open is somewhat trivial, because I could open 20 copies of Netscape, and it wouldn't take as much ram as 1 open x 20
Welp still haven't figured this out I would like a solution SuSE :) Steve Udell - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
quick show and tell: TOP: 8:37am up 4:13, 7 users, load average: 0.25, 0.06, 0.02 69 processes: 65 sleeping, 4 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 6.20ser, 11.5ystem, 0.0ice, 82.6 0dle Mem: 127852K av, 126240K used,1612K free,46740K shrd,17080K buff Swap: 124988K av, 0K used, 124988K free 31904K cached Where is SuSE's /etc/rc.d/rc.local? a suggestion was made to add swapon to it..but I could not find it. rc.d is also a symlink /sbin/init.d didn't find it in any of the rc#.d directorys Welp, untill I reboot my Memory useage wont calm down. Steve SuSE would ya help find a solution? - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Steven Udell wrote:
Where is SuSE's /etc/rc.d/rc.local? a suggestion was made to add swapon to it..but I could not find it.
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8:37am up 4:13, 7 users, load average: 0.25, 0.06, 0.02 69 processes: 65 sleeping, 4 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 6.20ser, 11.5ystem, 0.0ice, 82.6 0dle Mem: 127852K av, 126240K used,1612K free,46740K shrd,17080K buff Swap: 124988K av, 0K used, 124988K free 31904K cached
Maybe I am missing a point here (maybe I up too long) swap aint a Ramdisk. I see that the ram has a shrd, buff and also USED. Its not like I can have unlimited RAM here, there is only so much. I am sure I can open enough stuff to have it almost peek out at 128Megs. Ok lets say I did this, everyting open and giveing me 126Megs show here like (up there) 1.6Megs free, not a whole lot from what I have but still alot. It wouldn't use a SWAP unless it needed to free up some memmory to IRQ a request, or it would prob just make do with what it had 1.6Megs left (quite a bit) Well... LoL aint it dumb I got a swap to hit..and a page LOL 1.2Meg of swap and I had a 2.0 on the page Mem: 127788K av, 125284K used, 2504K free, 78892K shrd, 216K buff Swap: 124988K av, 1512K used, 123476K free 22080K cached even more now..lol I got like 20 games up 3gimps and 40 other major programs up or more. Well ok swap is working just fine page too But damn sorry.. just slap me Steve Udell - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Steven Udell wrote:
Where is SuSE's /etc/rc.d/rc.local? a suggestion was made to add swapon to it..but I could not find it.
rc.d is also a symlink /sbin/init.d didn't find it in any of the rc#.d directorys
Steve hmm... SuSE has it's stuff in /sbin/init.d I believe and uses /sbin/init.d/boot.local not /etc/rc.d/rc.local. That's why you couldn't find it. Don't know if this helps. Good luck. -M
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On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 hekate@intergate.bc.ca wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Steven Udell wrote:
Where is SuSE's /etc/rc.d/rc.local? a suggestion was made to add swapon to it..but I could not find it.
rc.d is also a symlink /sbin/init.d didn't find it in any of the rc#.d directorys
Steve hmm... SuSE has it's stuff in /sbin/init.d I believe and uses /sbin/init.d/boot.local not /etc/rc.d/rc.local. That's why you couldn't find it. Don't know if this helps. Good luck.
Hmmm. On tye SuSE systems I've installed, there is a symlink from /etc/rc.d -> /sbin/init.d . Should have been able to get there. -------------------------------------------- Brad Shelton bshelton@ole.net On Line Exchange <A HREF="http://ole.net"><A HREF="http://ole.net</A">http://ole.net</A</A>> Detroit News <A HREF="http://detnews.com"><A HREF="http://detnews.com</A">http://detnews.com</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Steven Udell wrote:
Anyways I have always wondered why that a SuSE user doesn't need an append line in LILO to use more than 64 Megs. I have brought it up before, and people either don't know or ask if I use a developers kernel or something. Which I don't and I have 128Megs, never had my SuSE have a problem with seeing and useing that much memory.
# LILO Konfigurations-Datei # Start LILO global Section append="auto" boot=/dev/sda #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. linear read-only prompt timeout=100 vga = 9 # force sane state ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting # End LILO global section # Linux bootable partition config begins image = /vmlinuz root = /dev/sda1 label = linux # Linux bootable partition config ends See above 'append' statement. This is why I don't have to append="mem=80". It is the default when you install the system. Without it, nothing above 64MB will be recognized. True in any dist. of Linux with lilo. -------------------------------------------- Brad Shelton bshelton@ole.net On Line Exchange <A HREF="http://ole.net"><A HREF="http://ole.net</A">http://ole.net</A</A>> Detroit News <A HREF="http://detnews.com"><A HREF="http://detnews.com</A">http://detnews.com</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi, On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Steven Udell wrote:
Hello SuSE (save space don't use the periods in-between) IMHO :)
Anyways I have always wondered why that a SuSE user doesn't need an append line in LILO to use more than 64 Megs. I have brought it up before, and people either don't know or ask if I use a developers kernel or something. Which I don't and I have 128Megs, never had my SuSE have a problem with seeing and useing that much memory.
This is because we use the back-ported memory detector from 2.1.x in our kernels.
Steven Udell -o) Hubert /\\ _\_v
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