Yes! With the outrageous price M$ charges for this and the Windows XP plans, it seems like this is an important program for Linux. The availability of a Project alternative with document compatibility would be very useful. Does it exist? Ed -----Original Message----- From: SpiderSpell [SMTP:spiderspell@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:57 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] Project Manager Does anyone know of a linux program that is similar to Microsoft Project? I need decent project management software. Diane _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com
Ed wrote:
Yes! With the outrageous price M$ charges for this and the Windows XP plans, it seems like this is an important program for Linux. The availability of a Project alternative with document compatibility would be very useful. Does it exist?
Ed
-----Original Message----- From: SpiderSpell [SMTP:spiderspell@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:57 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] Project Manager
Does anyone know of a linux program that is similar to Microsoft Project? I need decent project management software.
Diane
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Have no idea what this is, but it had project in its name :-). [Achievo 0.6.4] a Web-based project management and tracking system You can find it on www.appwatch.com Matt
Thanks for the link, I also found a prog for making Gantt charts http://www.gumbley.demon.co.uk/qtgantt.html#6 but so far nothing that can really compare to ms project. I think Ed was right, having project management software under Linux that can compare to ms project or exceed it would be a very positive thing. The cheapest I have seen ms project sell for is $315 and with XP coming out no doubt a newer more expensive version of ms project will follow. The more we can show people how much money they can save by using linux the more they will be inclined to learn how to use it. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Matthew [mailto:matthew@psychohorse.com] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 PM To: Ed Cc: 'spiderspell@yahoo.com'; suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Project Manager Ed wrote:
Yes! With the outrageous price M$ charges for this and the Windows XP plans, it seems like this is an important program for Linux. The availability of a Project alternative with document compatibility would be very useful. Does it exist?
Ed
-----Original Message----- From: SpiderSpell [SMTP:spiderspell@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:57 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] Project Manager
Does anyone know of a linux program that is similar to Microsoft Project? I need decent project management software.
Diane
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Have no idea what this is, but it had project in its name :-). [Achievo 0.6.4] a Web-based project management and tracking system You can find it on www.appwatch.com Matt -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
On Friday 01 June 2001 21:42, you wrote:
Thanks for the link, I also found a prog for making Gantt charts http://www.gumbley.demon.co.uk/qtgantt.html#6 but so far nothing that can really compare to ms project. I think Ed was right, having project management software under Linux that can compare to ms project or exceed it would be a very positive thing. The cheapest I have seen ms project sell for is $315 and with XP coming out no doubt a newer more expensive version of ms project will follow. The more we can show people how much money they can save by using linux the more they will be inclined to learn how to use it.
Diane
I couldnt agree with yopu more, beeen waiting three years for an MS PRoejct equivalent. Nothing out there yet. -- Best Chris
It ought to be easy to write Project Management software - I reckon I could write the implementation in a few weeks in C++, Java or, at a push, C. Is anyone out there confident enough to write a GUI in Qt, GTK(+/--) or Java or specify what basic functionality would be needed? JDL Chris Herrnberger wrote:
On Friday 01 June 2001 21:42, you wrote:
Thanks for the link, I also found a prog for making Gantt charts http://www.gumbley.demon.co.uk/qtgantt.html#6 but so far nothing that can really compare to ms project. I think Ed was right, having project management software under Linux that can compare to ms project or exceed it would be a very positive thing. The cheapest I have seen ms project sell for is $315 and with XP coming out no doubt a newer more expensive version of ms project will follow. The more we can show people how much money they can save by using linux the more they will be inclined to learn how to use it.
Diane
I couldnt agree with yopu more, beeen waiting three years for an MS PRoejct equivalent. Nothing out there yet. -- Best
Chris
I'm not in for discouraging people, but gosh, you sound like a true programmer ;-) I'd take your estimate, and multiply it by at least 3.1415926595 years ;) You see, good project management software is a white-collar package, meaning it has to have much more than just basic information about the project. There are cost estimates, resource planning, resource distribution, heck, I don't even know all the english words that fairly describe a project management system.... Personally, I'd LOVE to see a *NIX based project management system worth the attention. If you know M$-Project well enough, and think you can mimic it in a short period of time, _PLEASE_ do so :-) But then, my personal believe is that there would be needed some Big Corporation (TM) involved as a client/test base, and that won't happen just yet. ( soon tho... I hope :-) -tosi
It ought to be easy to write Project Management software - I reckon I could write the implementation in a few weeks in C++, Java or, at a push, C. Is anyone out there confident enough to write a GUI in Qt, GTK(+/--) or Java or specify what basic functionality would be needed?
JDL
Chris Herrnberger wrote:
On Friday 01 June 2001 21:42, you wrote:
Thanks for the link, I also found a prog for making Gantt charts http://www.gumbley.demon.co.uk/qtgantt.html#6 but so far nothing that can really compare to ms project. I think Ed was right, having project management software under Linux that can compare to ms project or exceed it would be a very positive thing. The cheapest I have seen ms project sell for is $315 and with XP coming out no doubt a newer more expensive version of ms project will follow. The more we can show people how much money they can save by using linux the more they will be inclined to learn how to use it.
Diane
I couldnt agree with yopu more, beeen waiting three years for an MS PRoejct equivalent. Nothing out there yet. -- Best
Chris
You are exactly right. To be useful, it would be a complex, feature rich program. In fact, M$ Project is (IMHO) a very poor example of project management software. Jim Tor Sigurdsson wrote:
I'm not in for discouraging people, but gosh, you sound like a true programmer ;-) I'd take your estimate, and multiply it by at least 3.1415926595 years ;) You see, good project management software is a white-collar package, meaning it has to have much more than just basic information about the project. There are cost estimates, resource planning, resource distribution, heck, I don't even know all the english words that fairly describe a project management system....
Personally, I'd LOVE to see a *NIX based project management system worth the attention. If you know M$-Project well enough, and think you can mimic it in a short period of time, _PLEASE_ do so :-)
But then, my personal believe is that there would be needed some Big Corporation (TM) involved as a client/test base, and that won't happen just yet. ( soon tho... I hope :-)
-tosi <snip>
-- Jim Sabatke SuSE 7.1 Linux Kernel - 2.4.0 http://www.execpc.com/~jsabatke It's all a matter of brain cells. You see every drink of liquor you take kills a thousand brain cells. But that doesn't much matter cause we got billions more. Now, first the sadness cells die, so you smile real big; And then the quiet cells go so you just say everything real loud for no reason at all. But that's OK because then the stupid cells go next, so everything you say is real smart. And finally come the memory cells; they's tough sons-o-bitches to kill - The Legend of Bagger Vance
You are exactly right. To be useful, it would be a complex, feature rich program. In fact, M$ Project is (IMHO) a very poor example of project management software.
Jim
Tor Sigurdsson wrote:
I'm not in for discouraging people, but gosh, you sound like a true programmer ;-) I'd take your estimate, and multiply it by at least 3.1415926595 years ;) You see, good project management software is a white-collar package, meaning it has to have much more than just basic information about the project. There are cost estimates, resource
resource distribution, heck, I don't even know all the english words that fairly describe a project management system....
Personally, I'd LOVE to see a *NIX based project management system worth
I used M$ project98 about 1 year ago and found it to be a piece of totally useless sh**ware. The amount of 'features' (bugs) almost drives me crazy. I really hope to see something on Linux with better usability. Pls get started and improve it along the way, though I am not a programmer and don't think can contribute anything on programming. : ( Just like Dia (Visio look-a-like), got to start somewhere. Dennis/sg planning, the
attention. If you know M$-Project well enough, and think you can mimic it in a short period of time, _PLEASE_ do so :-)
But then, my personal believe is that there would be needed some Big Corporation (TM) involved as a client/test base, and that won't happen just yet. ( soon tho... I hope :-)
I am a developer. I don't know a great deal about what's required of a good project management program, but if the potential users here (and elsewhere) got together and put up a requirements document, I'd be interested in participating in the development. I've seen one other person on this list show an interest. How many others are there? Can we make a sourceforge project of it, perhaps? Regards Anders On Sunday 03 June 2001 19:26, Dennis wrote:
I used M$ project98 about 1 year ago and found it to be a piece of totally useless sh**ware. The amount of 'features' (bugs) almost drives me crazy.
I really hope to see something on Linux with better usability. Pls get started and improve it along the way, though I am not a programmer and don't think can contribute anything on programming. : (
Just like Dia (Visio look-a-like), got to start somewhere.
Dennis/sg
You are exactly right. To be useful, it would be a complex, feature rich program. In fact, M$ Project is (IMHO) a very poor example of project management software.
Jim
Tor Sigurdsson wrote:
I'm not in for discouraging people, but gosh, you sound like a true programmer ;-) I'd take your estimate, and multiply it by at least 3.1415926595 years ;) You see, good project management software is a white-collar package, meaning it has to have much more than just basic information about the project. There are cost estimates, resource
planning,
resource distribution, heck, I don't even know all the english words that fairly describe a project management system....
Personally, I'd LOVE to see a *NIX based project management system worth
the
attention. If you know M$-Project well enough, and think you can mimic it
in
a short period of time, _PLEASE_ do so :-)
But then, my personal believe is that there would be needed some Big Corporation (TM) involved as a client/test base, and that won't happen
just
yet. ( soon tho... I hope :-)
You may count me in for the 'user' portion as that's what I can 'do' only. Dennis/sg
I am a developer. I don't know a great deal about what's required of a good project management program, but if the potential users here (and elsewhere) got together and put up a requirements document, I'd be interested in participating in the development. I've seen one other person on this list show an interest. How many others are there? Can we make a sourceforge project of it, perhaps?
Regards Anders
On Sunday 03 June 2001 19:26, Dennis wrote:
I used M$ project98 about 1 year ago and found it to be a piece of totally useless sh**ware. The amount of 'features' (bugs) almost drives me crazy.
I really hope to see something on Linux with better usability. Pls get started and improve it along the way, though I am not a programmer and don't think can contribute anything on programming. : (
Just like Dia (Visio look-a-like), got to start somewhere.
Dennis/sg
You are exactly right. To be useful, it would be a complex, feature rich program. In fact, M$ Project is (IMHO) a very poor example of project management software.
Jim
Tor Sigurdsson wrote:
I'm not in for discouraging people, but gosh, you sound like a true programmer ;-) I'd take your estimate, and multiply it by at least 3.1415926595 years ;) You see, good project management software is a white-collar package, meaning it has to have much more than just basic information about the project. There are cost estimates, resource
planning,
resource distribution, heck, I don't even know all the english words that fairly describe a project management system....
Personally, I'd LOVE to see a *NIX based project management system worth
the
attention. If you know M$-Project well enough, and think you can mimic it
in
a short period of time, _PLEASE_ do so :-)
But then, my personal believe is that there would be needed some Big Corporation (TM) involved as a client/test base, and that won't happen
just
yet. ( soon tho... I hope :-)
I agree with you about M$ Project. IMHO, it isn't fit for anything more complicated than planning the company picnic. I used to be a programmer, but I have been in management for too many years to be useful there. I might be interested in generating a requirements document and coordinating the various activities. Dennis wrote:
I used M$ project98 about 1 year ago and found it to be a piece of totally useless sh**ware. The amount of 'features' (bugs) almost drives me crazy.
I really hope to see something on Linux with better usability. Pls get started and improve it along the way, though I am not a programmer and don't think can contribute anything on programming. : (
Just like Dia (Visio look-a-like), got to start somewhere.
Dennis/sg
You are exactly right. To be useful, it would be a complex, feature rich program. In fact, M$ Project is (IMHO) a very poor example of project management software.
Jim
Tor Sigurdsson wrote:
I'm not in for discouraging people, but gosh, you sound like a true programmer ;-) I'd take your estimate, and multiply it by at least 3.1415926595 years ;) You see, good project management software is a white-collar package, meaning it has to have much more than just basic information about the project. There are cost estimates, resource
planning,
resource distribution, heck, I don't even know all the english words that fairly describe a project management system....
Personally, I'd LOVE to see a *NIX based project management system worth
the
attention. If you know M$-Project well enough, and think you can mimic it
in
a short period of time, _PLEASE_ do so :-)
But then, my personal believe is that there would be needed some Big Corporation (TM) involved as a client/test base, and that won't happen
just
yet. ( soon tho... I hope :-)
-- Jim Sabatke SuSE 7.1 Linux Kernel - 2.4.0 http://www.execpc.com/~jsabatke It's all a matter of brain cells. You see every drink of liquor you take kills a thousand brain cells. But that doesn't much matter cause we got billions more. Now, first the sadness cells die, so you smile real big; And then the quiet cells go so you just say everything real loud for no reason at all. But that's OK because then the stupid cells go next, so everything you say is real smart. And finally come the memory cells; they's tough sons-o-bitches to kill - The Legend of Bagger Vance
On Sunday 03 June 2001 07:13, you wrote:
You are exactly right. To be useful, it would be a complex, feature rich program. In fact, M$ Project is (IMHO) a very poor example of project management software.
Jim
wow almost missed this great discussion. I couldnt agree with you more wrt MS.P however it is more entrenched than Word (they still have secretaries) in senior managment circles. Given the above it not based on technical merrit rather ease of use and intergration with other MS products IMHO. The interesting thing from this keyboard pounder is that Linux based GPL'd software is almost there. KDE Office is maturing fast, Kompany has added Rekal and the db API as well as Kivio (well its a good start...iconography needs some seriouse work) If a C++/QT application were written it could easily make use of the existing feature set that is available from this application set (not suite..:)) Similarily intergration with Open Office would be a possibility if xml file formats were supported. This is not a new discussion however, see http://www.faqs.org/faqs/proj-plan-faq/ Here is a quick list of available software on that other platform. http://www.infogoal.com/pmc/pmcswr.htm I used to work for a very large consulting frim. We used MS and MSP religiousely when I started then saw an opportunity and wrote our own based on PMI value system/concepts (see http://www.pmi.org) , as they specialized in engineering project management support services. At last check they were bought out by a Brit Multinational and now use and offer Prima Vera (see http://www.primavera.com/ ) Whats the point here. Good software is available but not at reasonable costs, highly specialized and does not compete with MS Project. They currently do not even have muti-user support. (I think..I still us MSP95) (see http://www.artemispm.com/ and links to MSP there) never mind enterprise support. So why is this stuff so popular. Well it covers all the basics, is very easy to use, integrates well with all other MS applications, and it "looks good" Security and ease of use for sophisticated used is a differnt story but that is not the target market. Other similar apps are in some cases much more feature rich or complete but suck big time in appearance and integration/interoperability. (see above list) Also this can very easily become a very specialized area/discipline (see http://www.pmi.org) Final point. A linux based PM application of similar capabilites (with additions) to MSP and integrated with currently used linux based office applications, a db backend and web (python?) capabilities would rock in some select circles. While it would be a big project in terms of code if it were done and done right, in terms of a selected target markets it would do well. I would pay for this...:) Im not a coder, older managment lacki type in civil engineering arena so I cant code,...... but I can write...:) Would love to help out in suitable area if this got off the ground. -- Best Chris
I wasn't thinking of anything as ambitious as an M$ Project clone, but something with enough features to be useful. Most of the basic implementation is easy stuff compared to the kind of things - stochastic optimistation, discrete-event simulation with ipa - I do more regularly. The hard part is bound to be the GUI. I found a sourceforge project called freeproj that has lots of clean C++ code and a basic GNOME interface. I'll investigate that further first. JDL Tor Sigurdsson wrote:
I'm not in for discouraging people, but gosh, you sound like a true programmer ;-) I'd take your estimate, and multiply it by at least 3.1415926595 years ;) You see, good project management software is a white-collar package, meaning it has to have much more than just basic information about the project. There are cost estimates, resource planning, resource distribution, heck, I don't even know all the english words that fairly describe a project management system....
Personally, I'd LOVE to see a *NIX based project management system worth the attention. If you know M$-Project well enough, and think you can mimic it in a short period of time, _PLEASE_ do so :-)
But then, my personal believe is that there would be needed some Big Corporation (TM) involved as a client/test base, and that won't happen just yet. ( soon tho... I hope :-)
I'd be interested in working on this, I'm a C++ coder.
alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D Lamb"
On Sunday 03 June 2001 08:02, you wrote:
But then, my personal believe is that there would be needed some Big Corporation (TM) involved as a client/test base, and that won't happen just yet. ( soon tho... I hope :-)
Agee and disagree here Tor. If this project was launched and had a very clear mandate, requirements statement and scope based on a clearly defined target market with the support of SuSE and/or SuSE business partners large and small, ie: IBM and others, it could work. Have some contacts still at IBM and I would bet ya a beer they would be interested if it were a legitimate effort as they have nothing in the stable that currently addresses the issue. Could fit in well with there middleware products as it would need to be developed on a client server model. Please correct me if Im wrong on any of this. All In saying, not to "mislead" anyone or get expectation out of line is that IMHO it could have a reasonable expectation of succeeding if there were was integrated effort as you correctly point out. -- Best Chris
From John D Lamb to suse-linux-e@suse.com about Re: [SLE] Project Manager:
It ought to be easy to write Project Management software - I reckon I could write the implementation in a few weeks in C++, Java or, at a push, C. Is anyone out there confident enough to write a GUI in Qt, GTK(+/--) or Java or specify what basic functionality would be needed?
Well, I wouldn't know myself what it should do but on http://www.microsoft.com/office/project/default.htm there's a link to an online tour. Also you can order a 60 day trial cd and see the features list on the same page. If you're really going to make this thing, I'm willing to help. (C++, Qt)
JDL
Chris Herrnberger wrote:
On Friday 01 June 2001 21:42, you wrote:
Thanks for the link, I also found a prog for making Gantt charts http://www.gumbley.demon.co.uk/qtgantt.html#6 but so far nothing that can really compare to ms project. I think Ed was right, having project management software under Linux that can compare to ms project or exceed it would be a very positive thing. The cheapest I have seen ms project sell for is $315 and with XP coming out no doubt a newer more expensive version of ms project will follow. The more we can show people how much money they can save by using linux the more they will be inclined to learn how to use it.
Diane
I couldnt agree with yopu more, beeen waiting three years for an MS PRoejct equivalent. Nothing out there yet. -- Best
Chris
-- dieter
On Sunday 03 June 2001 12:40, John D Lamb wrote:
It ought to be easy to write Project Management software - I reckon I could write the implementation in a few weeks in C++, Java or, at a push, C.
Hi, Just picked up the thread. I'd be interested in helping with this- as the things I'm not though (as this seems to be the confessional thread) is fairly large, I'd be happy to assist with what I can do. This centres around defining user requirements, system definition & design, and user manuals/training and training support. I'll wait out. Terence
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