Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. install does not have my CD-ROM
At 12:45 PM 5/23/98 +0200, you wrote:
Since you seem to have a problem with people maybe denying what they wrote to you, this mail will carry my digital signature.
I have no problem with any of them...I have dealt with idiots before. I am, however, highly amused at the hysteria you, and several others, are emoting for whatever absurd reason. I have read all your diatribe, all of which is way off base, and irrelevant. If anyone had any reasonable attitude, they would request our one "satan" to back off...it is not decent netiquette. I am not interested in perpetrating arguments with tiresome and petty attitudes, which you, and several others, insist on maintaining as your agenda. Suffice it to say that all your time-wasting explanations below, are nothing more than that: time-wasting. They are also highly manipulative. It would behoove you, and anyone else, to cease dumping private email on me...as the only excuse you have is to scapegoat. As I stated clearly, in an earlier message, I will not continue this thread, as long as people stop posting me in private. Don't blame me for what is a group responsibility...you want to have your cake and eat it, too...well, I'm sorry, but I don't operate that way. Anyone who continues posting to me--either in the thread, or in private, is pushing the issue...then blames me for any reply! You can say anything you want to me, on the public thread...and you won't get my reply. You insist on sending me private mail, yet get upset when I respond publicly. So I said: Okay, I will not respond to any public comments in this thread, only I will reply to anyone who persists in private mail...and you already know this. So this is what you want: an excuse to bump me out...therefore, you perpetrate private mail, I respond, and voila! you have your scapegoat. But that doesn't change the truth one whit. Your attitude is not only hysterical, but mean-spirited. I have not heard a peep from anyone, criticizing your friend "satan"'s behavior, that put me in a position to speak out. Then for you and several others to condemn me, as if I were the antagonist, is ridiculous. Excuse me for disrupting your adoration of your wonderful Satan. I have never seen a more appropriate handle for the likes of him...he is on a power trip, and you suck up to it. Mea culpa, mea culpa! You should go to confession Saturday, and get your exorcise! Isn't there a little too much head-spinning and spewing on your part, and some others here? Yuck! What is all this nasty green gunk! Well, here's your witless message to me, for all to read, if they want (I will not defend myself against your immature remarks; it's not worth my time):
Trying to kill the keyboard, ezekielk@sj.bigger.net produced:
At 04:51 PM 5/22/98 +0200, you wrote:
Please stop posting flames like this to the mailing list... there's people there who do not care about any of the issue, and we pay for downloading mail (no free local calls in Germany)..
The person who is trashing me, is the one you need to talk to. This is:
Actually, if someone, anyone, sends you personal mail and you post it (which you did, in a way) in a public forum, you have stepped over the borders of .netiquette. Some people warn that they may do so in their signature, you don't. And I guess you didn't say so on your web page (which I won't look at, I don't feel like paying 50 cents just for the phone costs to surf your pages. Loading them on block in the middle of the night costs less, though).
Now, I realize you may not understand .netiquette. You really should, it's like learning your local laws. But apart from breaking these unwritten laws, *you*, *Ezekiel J. Krahlin* carried the flames from personal email into a well visited group. Nothing against a well written flame every other month, but once it is taken from (or even better, not started in) a public forum, it should _stay_ out.
So please understand that pointing fingers is childish and if you need audience (he didn't, he made it private), you are the loosing part. It would have been enough to say on the list: "He flamed me, bugger, I guess he goes to /dev/null now", it would have brought the point across.
Also please understand that on the net, may it be usenet or email lists, you tend to get flames every now and then. You get bloody noses. That's part of life. If you don't like it, keep out.
Oh, did you know that SuSE is a German company and thus you'd probably find more German readers on this list than US ones?
I said nothing offensive to anyone, that could justify his remarks.
I think you seemed to him as either very self-righteous or unwilling to read&explore a bit on your own or flaming SuSE for being different or whining ... all of which I would understand. After all, it isn't exactly rocket science to load a module --- and the modularized way is the right one.
And remember, on the list people are not paid for helping people. They do so out of their good heart and on the chance they may want and get help one day, too. If someone *seems* to behave extraordinarily stupid I would recomend them to return to whatever they came from and not bother or smarten up and learn (or pay for help/a competent administrator) --- but live with their choice.
He had no right to send me personal email filled with insults.
Well, you wrote to the list, i.e. solicited answers. Some of them come in email, because they are off topic. He did not mailbomb you, either, nor tried to hack your system or anything. He did not place advrtising costs on you. I guess it's called free speech (and you are free to send it to /dev/null, too). You can try to sue him for his words, if that makes you feel any better, but that would be even more childish.
So I replied to him in the list, in order for others to see what one of their regular participants has done.
So you broke the .netiquette in order to score a minor point --- are you a masochist and want to draw fire?
If you have *personal* problems with one of the list, use *personal* email. Don't draw me into it.
He is on my twit filter. Here is how I have the filter set up: any private message to me that now comes from one "satan@nfinity.com", will automatically be sent to my trash bin, as well as forwarded to "suse-linux-e@suse.com". That way, all will see his mail to me--if any more does arrive--without being bothered about it myself.
And if you do so, I will have to write to your ISP that you are maliciously spamming a mailing list. You have been warned, right here, right now. And I can assure you --- no provider is willing to put up with this.
Actually, you will also have all your mails to the list moved to /dev/null and will be removed from the list by the SuSE people if it becomes a problem (like a mail loop). If I were them, I'd let you pay for the work, per hour, minimum three hours, because you acted maliciously and even admitted it.
Think hard ... do you want that?
You are putting yourself into the role of a perpetrator with this act. (And I find it a bit hard to belive that someone able to put up a mailfilter that way is unable to try a bit to insert a module.)
(This is a very short message, as was my public reply to "satan"...I doubt this impinges on the expenses of your online connections.)
It's not just one message, it is that a couple of hundred people get them ...
Also, please try not to put too much into "satan" --- that does show how weak your case is. Overt religious touch might come over as selfrighteous (and of that you have enough already).
Nevertheless, do have a talk with your "satan" participant, as he is the offender, not me. I know it's a fast solution to blame the victim, but it's not the truthful manner.
hah.
You perpetrated the flames (back) to the list. You try to make ME (and a few hundred others) miserable if your opponent mails you. Why does this remind me of terrorist/hostage situations? You know, "If you do/don't XXX, we'll kill the victim and *you* are to blame!".
You are holding me, no, me and the entire list, hostage just because you feel treated badly by one of the list ("us" -- even though I/"we" don't know him). "Sippenhaft" is what it was called in Germany in a dark age not too long ago. It's what totalitarian states do to their dissidents and critics and to simple people trying to escape.
Are you really sure you want to do this, "victim"?
Victim, indeed you are a victim ... but not of Michael Lankton.
YOU, Ezekiel are a victim of yourself and your seemingly very small horizon when it comes to dealing with flames. If you'd just plonked him, OK, but what you do is evil, vile and neither "an eye for an eye" nor showing the other cheek as well ...
Think about it. Think very hard about it. Do you really want to do what you do?
-Wolfgang
PS: next time someone with a knife runs up to you you plant a nuclear bomb in his hometown, too?
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Well Ezekiel, I think you have finally achieved total random noise in so far as the content of this list is concerned. Please do yourself a favor and quit wasting list bandwidth. Others pay a premium to access this list. Your actions are very inconsiderate. You make satan seem saintly by comparison. I think it is time members of the list censured you by ignoring all future communications you post here. Ed -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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At 08:50 PM 5/23/98 -0700, you wrote:
And if you do so, I will have to write to your ISP that you are maliciously spamming a mailing list. You have been warned, right here, right now. And I can assure you --- no provider is willing to put up with this.
Spamming? That's an outright lie, like so much of what you said. Do you even know what spamming is? Of course you do...it is mass mailing to hundreds, if not thousands and millions, of people, unwelcome advertising of a product or service...to the point where it clogs the Internet, and even brings down major nodes. To accuse someone of that, when the accused party is innocent, would be legally dangerous on your part. You might have your way for a while, but sooner or later, you'll have to deal with serious legal repurcussions. I hope you don't carry it that far, for your sake more than for mine. This is what I mean by some people, yourself included, as behaving in a hysterical manner. Also, to accuse me of spamming, without any proof whatsoever, is likely to get *you eliminated from lists and services, more than it ever would me. --- My web site kicks (but never licks) butt! <A HREF="http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/"><A HREF="http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/</A">http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
You are a real piece of work. No proof? I just looked and counted it up, and you have posted over 50 k of garbage on this one subject. Stop your mindless drivel, and we'll stop replying. You love to play a victim, and it makes us all sick. You compared yourself to the jews, who were blamed and then became victims. Well, I would say your only half that, you're blamed, but not anywhere near being a victim. The jews were defenseless, but you just keep fanning the flames. Enough already! Ezekiel J. Krahlin wrote:
Also, to accuse me of spamming, without any proof whatsoever, is likely to get *you eliminated from lists and services, more than it ever would me.
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Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, ezekielk@sj.bigger.net produced:
At 08:50 PM 5/23/98 -0700, you wrote:
And if you do so, I will have to write to your ISP that you are maliciously spamming a mailing list. You have been warned, right here, right now. And I can assure you --- no provider is willing to put up with this.
Following up our own post, are we? So you did finally manage to read. Fine, even though: "I will not defend myself against your immature remarks; it's not worth my time" as you said in <<A HREF="msg00914.html">3.0.5.32.19980523205033.007c33e0@sj.bigger.net</A>> just a few minutes ago. And now you have the guts to call me a liar?
Spamming? That's an outright lie,
Nope. I stand to what I said. And it's the truth.
like so much of what you said.
Ah, then you could have emailed me, and detailed on the points. Mind you, basically I said that it is a bad idea to reflect any messages to the list, and a few minor things, but you don't want to listen ... Ok. Go ahead. Do it. Give me a tiny little reason, please. As to the content, you quoted it, everyone can read it. They can decide for themselves.
Do you even know what spamming is?
Yes, and I've been around before there even was spamming. Or UCE or UBE.
Of course you do...it is mass mailing to hundreds, if not thousands and millions, of people,
Depends on the usage. Spam, in it's original form, is usenet-based. You
unwelcome advertising of a product or service...
This too is called spam, but technically is UCE. There is UBE, which is the same without advertising.
to the point where it clogs the Internet, and even brings down major nodes.
Your action (and the ineviatble mail loop you'll produce) will clog the SuSE server and render this list unusable. That is a denial of service, mailbombing, probably computer sabotage, etc. In this way, yes, you can call it spamming, as much as you can call sending UCEs spamming.
To accuse someone of that, when the accused party is innocent, would be legally dangerous on your part.
I am not in the US, our judges belive in common sense and I am not afraid. Also, if you read what I said, I didn't accuse you - yet. Anyway you'd have to tell your provider why you should keep the account and not be held liable for your deliberate malicious actions. As I said, you have been warned, and now warned again. You know what you do. And if I complain I'll be sure to include these facts. As they say, it's entirely your decision. You may cry that I now hold you hostage of your own actions, but you hold me and a few 100 others hostage for somebody else's actions.
You might have your way for a while, but sooner or later, you'll have to deal with serious legal repurcussions.
Like? The people on this list may applaude so loudly that my eardrums bust. They may flood my mailbox with thank-you letters. Both are risks that I am fully prepared to risk. As I said, you make this list unusable - you get a complaint logged with your provider. Have a look in the AUP.
I hope you don't carry it that far, for your sake more than for mine.
I stand by my words. I signed them digitally. Let's repeat: I answered to you: ("He" == Michael Lankton)
He is on my twit filter. Here is how I have the filter set up: any private message to me that now comes from one "satan@nfinity.com", will automatically be sent to my trash bin, as well as forwarded to "suse-linux-e@suse.com". That way, all will see his mail to me--if any more does arrive--without being bothered about it myself.
And if you do so, I will have to write to your ISP that you are maliciously spamming a mailing list. You have been warned, right here, right now. And I can assure you --- no provider is willing to put up with this.
This is what I mean by some people, yourself included, as behaving in a hysterical manner.
No, I like this mailing list. I have to say "sorry" to every single person on the list. Because you will clog up the list anyway, it's wiser to level the field, and better for witnesses.
Also, to accuse me of spamming, without any proof whatsoever, is likely to get *you eliminated from lists and services, more than it ever would me.
Let me see ... I guess I have logged more spam complaints than you can count. Usually I was right on the mark. I still have all services and lists I want. Also, you are new to the net, obviously: If I log a complaint with you provider, he'll perhaps notify you, depending on the provider and the circumstances ... or just go ahead and freeze your account. It's a thing between me and your provider and between you and your provider. Now, tell me how my provider comes in, please? And tell me how SuSE and non-SuSE lists come in, please? (But PLEASE use email. I read email.) I am calling your bluff. Dare to call mine? In small words: Email sent to you: DON'T reflect them to the list. Got it? fine, if not, it's ok with me, too. -Wolfgang PS: You don't have to BCC a message to the list to me, if you CC it already. -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
Following up our own post, are we? So you did finally manage to read. Fine, even though: "I will not defend myself against your immature remarks; it's not worth my time" as you said in <<A HREF="msg00914.html">3.0.5.32.19980523205033.007c33e0@sj.bigger.net</A>> just a few minutes ago. And now you have the guts to call me a liar?
Spamming? That's an outright lie,
We all *really* don't give a shit! Technically it is SPAM sinceit is a mail list and every message you two post gets sent to *EVERYONE* on this list! Get a f*cking clue! Personally we should give you each a AK with 2 30-round clips and find out which one of you wins. Gezzzzzzzzzzzz! Dana -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
At 09:02 PM 5/24/98 +0200, Wolfgang Weisselberg <weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
Following up our own post, are we? So you did finally manage to read. Fine, even though: "I will not defend myself against your immature remarks; it's not worth my time" as you said in <<A HREF="msg00914.html">3.0.5.32.19980523205033.007c33e0@sj.bigger.net</A>> just a few minutes ago. And now you have the guts to call me a liar?
Spamming? That's an outright lie,
Nope. I stand to what I said. And it's the truth.
You spelled "flaming" in your header as "Flaoming"...implying a Freudian slip on your part, that you are "foaming" at the mouth, as well as "flaming". Quite apropos. As I said earlier (actually, two times so far), I am not interested in continuing this dialogue...and I will not reply to anyone who does not post me private mail. If I want to read this thread any more, I can do so, don't worry. Since you sent me carbon copies of your messages, obviously you want me to give *some reply in public, once more. Your attempt to bait me, in hopes I will lose control, is not only one more underhanded trick up your sleeve, but very immature, and ineffective. Your definition of "spamming", and of the supposed "burden" of my replies in this thread are greatly exaggerated, and gross distortions of the truth...just to suit the hysterical mob mentality of several (maybe as many as 5 or 6) bullies in this list. As for the supposed "burden" of my messages: it is less than half the amount of what you, and some others, are recklessly spewing, just in this thead alone! But even at ten times the amount you claim I have contributed (50 kilobytes)...that is such a tiny drop in the data-transfer bucket, as to be insignificant at even 9600 kbps, let alone the standard 28.8kbps! Since most participants only glean less than 100f the data dissemminated each day, since they are only interested in particular aspects of SuSE Linux...that wasted bandwith far, far exceeds my 50k. Hasn't it occurred to any of you hysterical queens, that if you need to elaborate, spew, vociferate, and gossip...that you are far more responsible for any bandwidth distraction, than I have ever been! I suggest that you open a thread in an appropriate Usenet newsgroup, to air out whatever gas you still need to release (though considering how anal retentive some of your are, I'd be surprised you didn't explode first). You could even do this on alt.test. And if I care to read any of it, I will make sure I see the message in the SuSE thread that says where to go. But who am I to attempt to reason with hysterical baboons? As I said several times already: do not post me any private e-mail, and you will not hear from me again, in this thread. I already said that I won't continue this thread with anyone who does not post me privately. You already are free to say whatever foul things you want to about me, in public, and I won't respond. Surely, this should appease at least somewhat, the insane lust some participants here, have of bashing someone far beyond any possible offense he may have committed! At this point, I know not whether to say "Hail Satan" or "Heil Hitler"...so instead, I'll just say both. Meanwhile, I have received supportive messages from six people in this thread, who feel that, while I may have been in the wrong to some extent...that the continued attacks on me are way overdone as to be absurd in extreme, and particularly vicious. They are likely to complain about this, with names. They are also likely to unsubscribe from this list, or at least cancel out the several offending parties. To make this easy, for those who choose the latter option, here's the list of the main offenders (not necessarily in any order of intensity): Michael Lankton <satan@nfinity.com> Nils Jeppe <nils@work.de> Robb <rr44607@swt.edu> Jim Hatridge <hatridge@straubing.baynet.de> Wolfgang Weisselberg <weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de> Philip Bennett <pbnt@mindspring.com> Ed Scott <dotted.dog@worldnet.att.net> Aaron Seelye <roberto@cbvcp.com> gordster@juno.com One more thing: I have saved all articles to this thread--untampered in any way--to eventually be displayed on my web site for anyone to pass their own judgment. And I will save any more that may come in. I always want to give my visitors a good laugh, as well as valuable information and ideas. --- My web site kicks (but never licks) butt! <A HREF="http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/"><A HREF="http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/</A">http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi! ******************************************************************* *** Ezekiel J. Krahlin <ezekielk@sj.bigger.net> *** *** *** *** You have been sending me email that contained _nothing_ but *** *** quoted texts from this email list. I dislike you filling my *** *** mailbox. If there's _no_new_content_ in these mails, I do *** *** not want them to be send to me. Unless you stop that *** *** immediately, I am forced to get in touch with your *** *** provider, because this is a kind of mailbomb. Stop it, *** *** and stop it now. *** *** *** *** You have been warned. *** ******************************************************************* [cut severely] Trying to kill the keyboard, ezekielk@sj.bigger.net produced:
You spelled "flaming" in your header as "Flaoming"...implying a Freudian
You loose. Flaming spelling errors is lame.
Since you sent me carbon copies of your messages, obviously you want me to give *some reply in public, once more.
I send you personal email, you replied to the group and with CC to me. So I reply the compliment.
as 5 or 6) bullies in this list. And you 9 names below? Make up your mind.
As for the supposed "burden" of my messages: it is less than half the amount of what you, and some others, are recklessly spewing, just in this thead alone!
You carried it to the group and intend to keep it here, and we are guilty. Sure.
But even at ten times the amount you claim I have contributed (50 kilobytes)...that is such a tiny drop in the data-transfer bucket, as to be insignificant at even 9600 kbps, let alone the standard 28.8kbps!
50KB at 28.8 is 1.5 hours ... assuming just 300 readers. 50KB in personal email (as we all started) is less than 20 seconds. BTW, "you claim" is not me. I didn't claim. Get your attributions right. [snip "I never did a thing"-song and some more flaming] [snip more flaming and "just let me be in my victim role"] [snip Nazi reference]
Meanwhile, I have received supportive messages from six people in this thread, [...]
6:9. You still loose.
They are likely to complain about this, with names.
Let them go ahead, I'd sure be willing to discuss calmly whatever I may have done wrong. On email, that is. [snip 'please boykott' and names ... *shrug* ... their loss.]
One more thing: I have saved all articles to this thread--untampered in any way--to eventually be displayed on my web site for anyone to pass their own judgment. And I will save any more that may come in. I always want to give my visitors a good laugh, as well as valuable information and ideas.
Just read your copyright laws first. And then go ahead, make a fool out of yourself. -Wolfgang PS: You read the top of the message? Good. Archive this mails as well, and show it to your provider, will you? -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Just a quick note: several offensive people are now in my twit filter. Any of them who send me private mail, will just have their messages dumped in the trash and deleted, as well as forwarded back to them. In other words: any message sent to me by one of these people, will just get bounced right back to them. I made it very clear many times over, I do not want personal mail. --- My web site kicks (but never licks) butt! <A HREF="http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/"><A HREF="http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/</A">http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Can anyone at S.U.S.E filter out this Ezekiel so we can go back to interesting subjects and he can go back to his gameboy . -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Where have you been? Playin' with ez's gameboy? Really: Bodo Has it under Control. Now we can start havin' some fun.. pepr@videotron.ca wrote:
Can anyone at S.U.S.E filter out this Ezekiel so we can go back to interesting subjects and he can go back to his gameboy .
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I'm getting these errors on the console every minute or so. Anybody know what they mean? May 29 09:43:03 ford mgetty[2643]: init chat failed, exiting...: Interrupted system call May 29 09:43:04 ford mgetty[2644]: tio_get_rs232_lines: TIOCMGET failed: Invalid argument May 29 09:43:04 ford mgetty[2644]: TIOCMBIC failed: Invalid argument May 29 09:43:04 ford mgetty[2644]: cannot turn off soft carrier: Invalid argument yours, Andy -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
*** You have been sending me email that contained _nothing_ but *** *** quoted texts from this email list. I dislike you filling my *** *** mailbox. If there's _no_new_content_ in these mails, I do *** *** not want them to be send to me. Unless you stop that *** *** immediately, I am forced to get in touch with your *** *** provider, because this is a kind of mailbomb. Stop it, *** *** and stop it now. ***
The exaggerated accusations of some, step beyond the bounds of common argument, and into the arena of slander and libel...can endanger their own legal status, as well as that of whatever services they use to perpetrate their actions. Falsely accusing someone of spamming and mail-bombing are definitely examples of libelous remarks...which also can have negative legal impact on any service that carries such messages. As I said earlier, numerous times: you can say anything you want about me, as long as you don't send me any private mail. However, in any case when someone makes a slanderous statement against me in a public venue, and which I consider too serious to ignore...I have no choice but to defend myself by a reply, in order to put this in the public record. And this applies to any group, list server or otherwise. No online group is beyond the law on this issue, no matter how "inconvenient" such dealings may be. It is indecent and unlawful to take advantage of an online service, in order to defame another's character, or slander anyone. --- My web site kicks (but never licks) butt! <A HREF="http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/"><A HREF="http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/</A">http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi! Since a certain ... person ... does not seem to be able to understand the idea of private mail this goes to the list, too. Since that ... inDUHvidual ... has expressed unwillingness to accept personal mail, I'll respect that, to a point. For all that don't want to read stuff from/to him, a small procmail recipe: :0 H * (^TO_ezekielk@sj.bigger.net|^From:.*ezekielk@sj.bigger.net) /dev/null Warning, this may turn into a flame. I am angry. Trying to kill the keyboard, ezekielk@sj.bigger.net produced:
At 12:45 PM 5/23/98 +0200, you wrote:
Since you seem to have a problem with people maybe denying what they wrote to you, this mail will carry my digital signature.
I have no problem with any of them...I have dealt with idiots before.
You have done so all your life. You even go to bed with one.
I am, however, highly amused at the hysteria you, and several others, are emoting for whatever absurd reason.
Hysteria? Hah. "We" are merely concerned that someone is a cry-baby and is taking it out on us.
I have read all your diatribe, all of which is way off base, and irrelevant.
You didn't, else you would have replied to that spamming part earlier. But no, you read it afterwards, and send of your enragement 21 minute and 18 seconds later, presumably just after you read your own post. (And yes, I can prove you did sent away the mail immediately.) Thus, you are a liar.
If anyone had any reasonable attitude, they would request our one "satan" to back off...it is not decent netiquette.
Back off? He flamed you, and he did so correctly. You needed flaming. Badly. Anyway, you are either a troll, a sadist/masochist, a kook or an idiot. If I were you ... no, let's not even THINK that.
I am not interested in perpetrating arguments with tiresome and petty attitudes, which you, and several others, insist on maintaining as your agenda.
Read: "I am too stupid to reason, so I won't."
Suffice it to say that all your time-wasting explanations below, are nothing more than that: time-wasting.
Read: "Now, go feel bad because I won't read them." (Heh, but you did, after the fact. and even blew a fuse.)
They are also highly manipulative.
Read: "... but please don't remember that I am a manipulating bitch trying to create peer pressure ..." I try to reason, you don't even read it? You hold me/"us" hostage and me telling you is manipulative? Right, the earth is flat.
It would behoove you, and anyone else, to cease dumping private email on me...as the only excuse you have is to scapegoat.
Read: "Hopefully noone sees that I scapegoat a couple of hundred people to the well-behaving of one they don't even know." Hah, if you were not looking like a nut-case by now, you'd be a great comedian.
As I stated clearly, in an earlier message, I will not continue this thread, as long as people stop posting me in private.
Posting == public. Private != public. ITYM s/posting me in private/email me/ HTH HAND FOAD
Don't blame me for what is a group responsibility...you want to have your cake and eat it, too...well, I'm sorry, but I don't operate that way.
Read: "If I repeat it often enough, they'll belive me. Especially that I am not responsible for my actions ... must get that point across."
Anyone who continues posting to me--either in the thread, or in private, is pushing the issue...then blames me for any reply!
Read: "Gosh, let's hope they don't know one can reply per email as well, would take out all the fun ... and remember, _I_ am _not_ responsible for my actions. The devil made me do so."
You can say anything you want to me, on the public thread...and you won't get my reply.
Read: "I am really good in my victim role, if people see it. ..."
You insist on sending me private mail, yet get upset when I respond publicly.
Read: " ... but if I am to suffer in private, that does not build my reputation. So I'll answer in public, they just HAVE to see me suffer, so I can manipulate."
So I said: Okay, I will not respond to any public comments in this thread, only I will reply to anyone who persists in private mail...and you already know this.
Now we know it. But remember that some poll their mail every 24 hours - at best.
So this is what you want: an excuse to bump me out...therefore, you perpetrate private mail,
'perpetrate private mail', that's a good one. Ok, by that measure, you perpetrated with every mail you post to the list a few hundred private mails. (Yes, brain=on, then you'll get it.) And you perpetrate public mail as well.
I respond, and voila! you have your scapegoat.
Read: "Sending me private mail (that's not all positive) is a crime, because it won't bolster my victim role."
But that doesn't change the truth one whit.
Read: "Puh, finally I say the truth, now just let's hope they attribute it to my drivel."
Your attitude is not only hysterical, but mean-spirited.
Read: "Now we have a Victim(tm), me, the other one must be evil. Let's paint him that way."
I have not heard a peep from anyone, criticizing your friend "satan"'s behavior, that put me in a position to speak out.
Read: "You *ALL* are evil, noone rescues this manipulative bitc^W^Wdamsel in distress. Feel bad, damn you. Feel guilty, damn you. I *need* you to feel guilty and bad, so I can manipulate you. (And let's use 'satan' cause that looks so evil.)" BTW: gotcha, 990n the list don't even know Michael nor exchanged email. So they (me for example) can't be friends to him. (And there is email for reprimands, you don't need to read it, really.) But the facts must go for a theory ...
Then for you and several others to condemn me, as if I were the antagonist, is ridiculous.
Read: "Let's point out the enemies (opposition is too weak) are ridiculous and repeat that I am not guilty. Must repeat it plenty so it becomes truth."
Excuse me for disrupting your adoration of your wonderful Satan.
Read: "... more ridiculation ..."
I have never seen a more appropriate handle for the likes of him...he is on a power trip, and you suck up to it.
Read: "Project my bad sides on the enemy. And try to hit the others as well." Sure, Mr. "God tells me I am right" ezekiel.
Mea culpa, mea culpa!
Read: "... more ridiculation ..."
You should go to confession Saturday, and get your exorcise!
Read: "... more ridiculation ... and put in the religious theme again." Are you the pope, ezekiel? A prophet? Will god smash us all because we don't worship you?
Isn't there a little too much head-spinning and spewing on your part, and some others here?
Read: "Don't let them think about my spewage (and the quoted, uncommented stuff that follows ... ). PLEASE!"
Yuck! What is all this nasty green gunk!
That's what passed for your brain just a moment ago. It prefers this state than being connected to you.
Well, here's your witless message to me, for all to read, if they want
Read: "I am about to quote a lot and not even comment it, another .netiquette rule I have not yet broken."
(I will not defend myself against your immature remarks; it's not worth my time):
Read: "I can't be even bothered to read the truth, so I'll not comment." Well, see his next message how he didn't comment ... Hah. Liar. [snip message] [snip sig ... "had to quote the .sig too, another rule to break"] -Wolfgang -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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andyford＠nothnbut.net -
dana＠ntd.net -
dotted.dog＠worldnet.att.net -
ezekielk＠sj.bigger.net -
gordster＠juno.com -
mhtexcollins＠ccms.net -
pepr＠videotron.ca -
roberto＠cbvcp.com -
weissel＠jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de