[opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Miguel Angel Alvarez

2 Nov 2006 2 Nov '06

23:14

=8-O I'm terrified! http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/nov06/11-02MSNovellPR.mspx -- Don't see the world through a window, be open{source}minded, and be free :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Henne Vogelsang

2 Nov 2 Nov

23:25

Hi, On Friday, November 03, 2006 at 00:14:00, Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote:

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I'm terrified!

Why is that? http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq.html Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

kevin.kempter＠dataintellect.com

23:33

You have to ask why? Every company which ever engaged in a so-called 'sharing' agreement with the POS company (M$) is either out of business or suffered huge financial losses (Remember the IBM back-stabbing? remember stacker?) because of it. Not to mention that everthing the POS comapny gets its hands on becomes a pile of crap is short order. Plus based on the POS company's track record they are simply not to be trusted, lies are their native tounge. Fedora6, ubuntu, even yoper Linux are all looking pretty good right about now. On Thursday 02 November 2006 16:25, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hi,

On Friday, November 03, 2006 at 00:14:00, Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote:

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I'm terrified!

Why is that?

http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq.html

Henne

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SOTL

23:42

This is verification that even MS thinks its new operating system is crap. kevin.kempter@dataintellect.com wrote:

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You have to ask why?

Every company which ever engaged in a so-called 'sharing' agreement with the POS company (M$) is either out of business or suffered huge financial losses (Remember the IBM back-stabbing? remember stacker?) because of it.

Not to mention that everthing the POS comapny gets its hands on becomes a pile of crap is short order.

Plus based on the POS company's track record they are simply not to be trusted, lies are their native tounge.

Fedora6, ubuntu, even yoper Linux are all looking pretty good right about now.

On Thursday 02 November 2006 16:25, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hi,

On Friday, November 03, 2006 at 00:14:00, Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote:

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I'm terrified!

Why is that?

http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq.html

Henne

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Jens Nixdorf

3 Nov 3 Nov

00:06

Am Freitag, 3. November 2006 00:42 schrieb SOTL:

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This is verification that even MS thinks its new operating system is crap.

Written with an stoneage-old mozilla thunderbird on windows in an outlook way of quoting. And now something about seriousity... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

2 Nov 2 Nov

23:44

New subject: SPAM: Re: [opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

On Friday 03 November 2006 00:33, kevin.kempter@dataintellect.com wrote:

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You have to ask why?

Every company which ever engaged in a so-called 'sharing' agreement with the POS company (M$) is either out of business or suffered huge financial losses (Remember the IBM back-stabbing? remember stacker?) because of it.

Why would either of these examples be relevant to this? This code is already open source? What is there to take that isn't already out there? It's not like there are any trade secrets in the src.rpms :) I'm not sure what will become of this, but pointing to examples where Microsoft got the source from a closed source company so they could look at it is hardly relevant to this --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David Canar

23:54

So far I think it is VERY beneficial for Linux, 1. Microsoft is giving away 70.000 SUSE Linux Enterprise coupons 2. Microsoft is backing up (legally speaking) the MONO, Samba and Open Office projects and any Open Source programmer or company that works on OpenSuse.org projects. 3. Microsoft is telling everybody that if they want to use Linux they support SUSE Linux! 4. They are jointly developing Open Source Virtualization software Could it be better? David kevin.kempter@dataintellect.com wrote:

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You have to ask why?

Every company which ever engaged in a so-called 'sharing' agreement with the POS company (M$) is either out of business or suffered huge financial losses (Remember the IBM back-stabbing? remember stacker?) because of it.

Not to mention that everthing the POS comapny gets its hands on becomes a pile of crap is short order.

Plus based on the POS company's track record they are simply not to be trusted, lies are their native tounge.

Fedora6, ubuntu, even yoper Linux are all looking pretty good right about now.

On Thursday 02 November 2006 16:25, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hi,

On Friday, November 03, 2006 at 00:14:00, Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote:

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I'm terrified!

Why is that?

http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq.html

Henne

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Jens Nixdorf

3 Nov 3 Nov

00:08

Am Freitag, 3. November 2006 00:54 schrieb David Canar:

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3. Microsoft is telling everybody that if they want to use Linux they support SUSE Linux!

Muhaha! THIS really is an advantage! Its like G.W.Bush is recommending to invest in iranian nuclear technology... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rasmus Plewe

00:29

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 01:08:32AM +0100, Jens Nixdorf wrote:

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Am Freitag, 3. November 2006 00:54 schrieb David Canar:

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3. Microsoft is telling everybody that if they want to use Linux they support SUSE Linux!

Muhaha! THIS really is an advantage! Its like G.W.Bush is recommending to invest in iranian nuclear technology...

Stop! This goes too far, this example is so totally wrong! SUSE Linux is so much more mature than iranian nuclear technology... Rasmus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Robert Schiele

19:25

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 01:29:49AM +0100, Rasmus Plewe wrote:

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SUSE Linux is so much more mature than iranian nuclear technology...

I think it is quite suspicious that you have such a deep insight to Iranian nuclear technology. I should report this to the CIA... ;-) Robert -- Robert Schiele Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@gmail.com "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."

Lev Lafayette

03:22

I tend to agree, cautiously, with your assessment David. I am also fortunate to have decided to install OpenSuSE as my main desktop system less than 48 hours ago following a failed Ubuntu upgrade. Dodgy disk? Maybe. I just so happened to have OpenSuSE on hand and decided to give it a go. Everything works, and YaST and Zen are very shiny indeed. All the best, Lev On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 16:54 -0700, David Canar wrote:

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So far I think it is VERY beneficial for Linux, 1. Microsoft is giving away 70.000 SUSE Linux Enterprise coupons 2. Microsoft is backing up (legally speaking) the MONO, Samba and Open Office projects and any Open Source programmer or company that works on OpenSuse.org projects. 3. Microsoft is telling everybody that if they want to use Linux they support SUSE Linux! 4. They are jointly developing Open Source Virtualization software

Could it be better?

David

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Kevin Donnelly

2 Nov 2 Nov

23:50

On Thursday 02 November 2006 23:25, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On Friday, November 03, 2006 at 00:14:00, Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote:

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I'm terrified!

Why is that? http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq.html

It's certainly interesting! Presumably, because of the patent ceasefire, openSUSE will be able to legally include Windows codecs (or at least links to download them) in the distro? That should certainly please a lot of people on this list who have been complaining about their multimedia in the past ... -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David Canar

23:58

Not only that but also (according to what I understand) the mono project could implement the .NET technologies without the uncertainty of legal actions from Microsoft. That's huge! Kevin Donnelly wrote:

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On Thursday 02 November 2006 23:25, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On Friday, November 03, 2006 at 00:14:00, Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote:

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I'm terrified!

Why is that? http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq.html

It's certainly interesting! Presumably, because of the patent ceasefire, openSUSE will be able to legally include Windows codecs (or at least links to download them) in the distro? That should certainly please a lot of people on this list who have been complaining about their multimedia in the past ...

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HG

4 Nov 4 Nov

06:04

Hi! When I jumped on SuSE (9.0), it was a ... well, ok never mind. SUSE is changing waster than the world I think. On 11/3/06, Kevin Donnelly wrote:

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It's certainly interesting! Presumably, because of the patent ceasefire, openSUSE will be able to legally include Windows codecs (or at least links to download them) in the distro? That should certainly please a lot of people on this list who have been complaining about their multimedia in the past ...

Do you really think that MS will give the codecs? Yes, but only with DRM. I am personally giving SUSE time until that. When my rights are digitally restricted on SUSE, then I'm gone. If not before that. Did you guys read Groklaw? What about Red Hats reply? Is SUSE the new SCO? I do not know... I guess we will have to see if this all went by GPL or not. -- HG. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Henne Vogelsang

12:27

New subject: SPAM: Re: [opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Hi, On Saturday, November 04, 2006 at 08:04:55, HG wrote:

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On 11/3/06, Kevin Donnelly wrote:

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It's certainly interesting! Presumably, because of the patent ceasefire, openSUSE will be able to legally include Windows codecs (or at least links to download them) in the distro? That should certainly please a lot of people on this list who have been complaining about their multimedia in the past

Do you really think that MS will give the codecs? Yes, but only with DRM.

Video/Audio codecs have nothing to do with DRM. The question is what the heck do we want with windows media codecs? Theres no real need to have them. We should and we do embrace patent free audio/video codecs with openSUSE. Thats the way to go.

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I am personally giving SUSE time until that. When my rights are digitally restricted on SUSE, then I'm gone.

We all will be gone if that happens...

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Did you guys read Groklaw?

Sure. What about it? You mean all the pieces that reduce all this to "Software Patents or not"? I was sure form the beginning that this will happen[1]. You cant take the word patents in the mouth without beeing evil. There is no real discussion going on in the OS community anymore. How we can break this shitty system. Theres only camp building. Either youre with us or you are member of the "axis of evil". Makes me not want to participate in this discussion anymore. I personally hate this discussion style even more than the patent system itself. Thanks to GW to make this style presentable... Henne [1] Of course also because this is a business decision and apparently "they" dont seem to get that we hate the patent system and want to avoid having to deal with it at all. Saying "look we wont sue you anymore" is a slap in the face if you dont find that suing because of a patent is justified at all. -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de "To die. In the rain. Alone." Ernest Hemingway --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

12:34

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On Saturday 04 November 2006 13:27, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Video/Audio codecs have nothing to do with DRM. The question is what the heck do we want with windows media codecs?

The same reason we have RealPlayer. There is too much content out there exclusive to the windows media formats or Real to just ignore It would be nicer to have those streams in something like ogg theora, but in the short term, being able to use openSUSE at all takes precedence, at least for me --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Manfred Tremmel

15:35

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Am Samstag, 4. November 2006 13:27 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:

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Video/Audio codecs have nothing to do with DRM. The question is what the heck do we want with windows media codecs? Theres no real need to have them. We should and we do embrace patent free audio/video codecs with openSUSE. Thats the way to go.

And that's the reason to provide http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/webcast.html as RealVideo and WMV? WMV works fine with ffmpeg implementation, but the "Linux Streams" are only useable with proprietary players. What's about the WMV/WMA Implementation of ffmpeg? Can SUSE include it in the future, e.g. in the xine-lib (works fine in cvs)? When MS will not enforce patents against Novell, it should be posible. -- Machs gut | http://www.iivs.de/schwinde/buerger/tremmel/ | http://packman.links2linux.de/ Manfred | http://www.knightsoft-net.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kevin Donnelly

17:02

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On Saturday 04 November 2006 12:27, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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We should and we do embrace patent free audio/video codecs with openSUSE. Thats the way to go.

Absolutely. I rip all my CDs in ogg format, and my kids have to put up with it, even though they probably feel that mp3 would be easier for them. But once you drink some clue-juice, you have to admit that this sort of purity may not be possible for everyone. They may work in situations where they *have* to use proprietary formats like Quicktime or WMV. Do you ignore this, or try to grapple with it? Ideally you ignore it, but suppose the only thing holding them back from switching to Linux is running these proprietary formats? And how many people on this list have Packman's w32codecs installed? Quite a few, I think. To my mind you might as well do this upfront and openly instead of keeping it as a back-alley thing. It doesn't mean you stop evangelising about free formats, but once someone has made a switch to Linux they're far more likely to see what you're getting at than if they're marooned on Windows with a bunch of proprietary files they can't work on using anything else. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Hopf

10 Nov 10 Nov

16:05

On Nov 04, 06 13:27:16 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Do you really think that MS will give the codecs? Yes, but only with DRM.

Video/Audio codecs have nothing to do with DRM. The question is what the heck do we want with windows media codecs? Theres no real need to have them. We should and we do embrace patent free audio/video codecs with openSUSE. Thats the way to go.

Once again: There are *no* patent free codecs to the best of my knowledge. There are just some codecs which happen to not have companies behind them that charge for their inventions. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Juergen Weigert

18:05

On Nov 10, 06 17:05:48 +0100, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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On Nov 04, 06 13:27:16 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Do you really think that MS will give the codecs? Yes, but only with DRM.

Video/Audio codecs have nothing to do with DRM. The question is what the heck do we want with windows media codecs? Theres no real need to have them. We should and we do embrace patent free audio/video codecs with openSUSE. Thats the way to go.

Once again: There are *no* patent free codecs to the best of my knowledge. There are just some codecs which happen to not have companies behind them that charge for their inventions.

Ah, nice catch. Novell does not distribute any patent infringing code. Wasn't that said in the Microsoft-FAQ? cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de wide open suse_/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (____/ /\ (/) | __________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Hopf

18:42

On Nov 10, 06 19:05:55 +0100, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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Once again: There are *no* patent free codecs to the best of my knowledge. There are just some codecs which happen to not have companies behind them that charge for their inventions.

Ah, nice catch. Novell does not distribute any patent infringing code. Wasn't that said in the Microsoft-FAQ?

WOOOT!!1 We got'em ;-) Well, maybe we don't distribute any codecs that infringe M$ patents. I don't know about their patents, and I don't *want* to know. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf , SuSE labs, Zimmer 3.2.06, Tel. 74053-715 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

19:08

On Friday 10 November 2006 19:42, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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Well, maybe we don't distribute any codecs that infringe M$ patents. I don't know about their patents, and I don't *want* to know.

Someone a few days ago claimed they patented xor. That one would be hard to avoid And of course since Amazon patented cookies, we couldn't ship many browsers, at least no useful ones --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

11 Nov 11 Nov

03:31

On Friday 10 November 2006 10:42, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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On Nov 10, 06 19:05:55 +0100, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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Once again: There are *no* patent free codecs to the best of my knowledge. There are just some codecs which happen to not have companies behind them that charge for their inventions.

Ah, nice catch. Novell does not distribute any patent infringing code. Wasn't that said in the Microsoft-FAQ?

WOOOT!!1

We got'em ;-)

Well, maybe we don't distribute any codecs that infringe M$ patents. I don't know about their patents, and I don't *want* to know.

Matthias

They don't have any patents. They're a software company. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Hopf

13 Nov 13 Nov

17:44

On Nov 10, 06 19:31:28 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

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They don't have any patents.

They're a software company.

So what? Matthias -- Matthias Hopf __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

19:21

On Monday 13 November 2006 09:44, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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On Nov 10, 06 19:31:28 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

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They don't have any patents.

They're a software company.

So what?

So there's no need to defend against patent infringement. That's what. :) -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

14 Nov 14 Nov

18:13

On Monday 13 November 2006 20:21, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Monday 13 November 2006 09:44, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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On Nov 10, 06 19:31:28 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

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They don't have any patents.

They're a software company.

So what?

So there's no need to defend against patent infringement. That's what. :)

Unless you can persuade the courts to accept that view, patent lawyers will still bet their livelyhoods that you're wrong Money better spent on lobbying to get rid of the damn things instead --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

21:04

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 10:13, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Monday 13 November 2006 20:21, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Monday 13 November 2006 09:44, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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On Nov 10, 06 19:31:28 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

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They don't have any patents.

They're a software company.

So what?

So there's no need to defend against patent infringement. That's what. :)

Unless you can persuade the courts to accept that view, patent lawyers will still bet their livelyhoods that you're wrong

Money better spent on lobbying to get rid of the damn things instead

Agreed! I will be working on that ASAP. I have been writing my senators and congressman on a few occasions towards this matter. I do realize, however, until I can make large scale money contributions that my words don't mean a thing. :P -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

15 Nov 15 Nov

00:21

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They don't have any patents.

They're a software company.

So what?

So there's no need to defend against patent infringement. That's what. :)

Unless you can persuade the courts to accept that view, patent lawyers will still bet their livelyhoods that you're wrong

Money better spent on lobbying to get rid of the damn things instead

Agreed! I will be working on that ASAP. I have been writing my senators and congressman on a few occasions towards this matter. I do realize, however, until I can make large scale money contributions that my words don't mean a thing. :P

It depends on which country the company is based. If it is on a country where software patents are invalid, then they can't be enforced. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFWl2StTMYHG2NR9URApCVAJ9ybCFw0Jw6b+eov3Zfr3f7K0iB9gCgkoRL b/uzQBlqSB64n68iXSWos8k= =r21D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

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The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 13:04 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

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They don't have any patents.

They're a software company.

So what?

So there's no need to defend against patent infringement. That's what.

:)

Unless you can persuade the courts to accept that view, patent lawyers will still bet their livelyhoods that you're wrong

Money better spent on lobbying to get rid of the damn things instead

Agreed! I will be working on that ASAP. I have been writing my senators and congressman on a few occasions towards this matter. I do realize, however, until I can make large scale money contributions that my words don't mean a thing. :P

It depends on which country the company is based. If it is on a country where software patents are invalid, then they can't be enforced.

Well, yeah. Fortunately, there are many countries who have taken this step. I'll be working here in the USSA. :) -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson

10 Nov 10 Nov

19:06

On Friday 10 November 2006 19:05, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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Novell does not distribute any patent infringing code.

I think the operative word there is "infringing", meaning code that is shipped as GPL against the will of the patent owner. Code where the patent owner has granted a permanent license under the GPL is obviously not counted --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Juergen Weigert

19:32

On Nov 10, 06 20:06:58 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

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On Friday 10 November 2006 19:05, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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Novell does not distribute any patent infringing code.

I think the operative word there is "infringing", meaning code that is shipped as GPL against the will of the patent owner.

Code where the patent owner has granted a permanent license under the GPL is obviously not counted

Perhaps, we better reserve the right to ignore obviously bogus patents. :-) Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de wide open suse_/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (____/ /\ (/) | __________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Enrico Weigelt

11 Nov 11 Nov

14:21

New subject: [opensuse] IP = intellectual parasitism

* Juergen Weigert wrote: Hi folk,

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Perhaps, we better reserve the right to ignore obviously bogus patents. :-)

/ACK. For coding, we should simply ignore them. Patents are an purely political issue. At least in .eu we have to stop the a-holes at EC/EP to legalize software patents and the whole it branch into the hands of the parasite industry. (BTW: this is one of the really bad things going on in EU which turned me from EU favourist to nationalist ... seems the EU shall combine buerocratic insanity with millitary force as basis for worldwide monopolistic super-companies, short: officer facism) cu -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: contact@metux.de cellphone: +49 174 7066481 --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Andreas Jaeger

10 Nov 10 Nov

23:33

Anders Johansson writes:

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On Friday 10 November 2006 19:05, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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Novell does not distribute any patent infringing code.

I think the operative word there is "infringing", meaning code that is shipped as GPL against the will of the patent owner.

Code where the patent owner has granted a permanent license under the GPL is obviously not counted

Like IBM granted a permanent license for certain patents for programs using GPLed code like RCU (used in the kernel) and register allocation (used in GCC), Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Peter Nikolic

11 Nov 11 Nov

07:35

On Friday 10 November 2006 18:05, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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On Nov 10, 06 17:05:48 +0100, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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On Nov 04, 06 13:27:16 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Do you really think that MS will give the codecs? Yes, but only with DRM.

Video/Audio codecs have nothing to do with DRM. The question is what the heck do we want with windows media codecs? Theres no real need to have them. We should and we do embrace patent free audio/video codecs with openSUSE. Thats the way to go.

Once again: There are *no* patent free codecs to the best of my knowledge. There are just some codecs which happen to not have companies behind them that charge for their inventions.

Ah, nice catch. Novell does not distribute any patent infringing code. Wasn't that said in the Microsoft-FAQ?

cheers, Jw. Say WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Eberhard Moenkeberg

2 Nov 2 Nov

23:27

Hi, On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote:

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I'm terrified! http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/nov06/11-02MSNovellPR.mspx

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