On Thursday 09 October 2003 01.59, landy wrote:
does anyone know where are the gnome2 packages for suse 8.2
www.ximian.com or usr-local-bin.org Even if you go with the usr-local-bin stuff you should look at red-carpet from ximian. IMHO it's the best rpm package tool I've seen so far
On Wednesday 08 October 2003 9:36 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 01.59, landy wrote:
does anyone know where are the gnome2 packages for suse 8.2
www.ximian.com or usr-local-bin.org
Even if you go with the usr-local-bin stuff you should look at red-carpet from ximian. IMHO it's the best rpm package tool I've seen so far
Please search the archives before you use ximian. bad things CAN and WILL happen if you ever want to use a non-ximian version of gnome. James' stuff works great, i highly recommend using that instead of red carpet. -- Franklin Maurer Using SuSE 8.2 Pro
On Thursday 09 October 2003 05.59, Franklin Maurer wrote:
Please search the archives before you use ximian. bad things CAN and WILL happen if you ever want to use a non-ximian version of gnome.
I am already using ximian, it works great. Please, a little less FUD if you don't mind
James' stuff works great, i highly recommend using that instead of red carpet. --
non sequiteur. You can use red carpet AND usr-local-bin gnome. It's not an either/or situation. One is a desktop environment, the other is a package manager. not the same thing
On Thursday 09 October 2003 12:02 am, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 05.59, Franklin Maurer wrote:
Please search the archives before you use ximian. bad things CAN and WILL happen if you ever want to use a non-ximian version of gnome.
I am already using ximian, it works great. Please, a little less FUD if you don't mind
Perhaps you are among the lucky ones, there are many people whose systems were pretty messed up the next time they went to update their systems. Direct from ulb ... Using Ximian GNOME is fine up to a point. That point tends to be when you decide to upgrade your entire SuSE distribution, when the differences in package names can cause real problems. The fact that some packages, especially libraries, are installed to different filesystem locations by Ximian can also cause some problems. Instead of ushering people down the Ximian route, I tried to help people build their own packages to SuSE specification, and would post lengthy lists of options for ./configure. However, a lot of people don't want to have all the development headers and libraries required to do this, and other people want to keep the "purity" of their RPM database so that what appears in there accurately reflects what is actually installed.
James' stuff works great, i highly recommend using that instead of red carpet. --
non sequiteur. You can use red carpet AND usr-local-bin gnome. It's not an either/or situation. One is a desktop environment, the other is a package manager. not the same thing
I'm sorry I meant the xd2 version that is available with red carpet. -- Franklin Maurer Using SuSE 8.2 Pro
On Thursday 09 October 2003 06.14, Franklin Maurer wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 12:02 am, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 05.59, Franklin Maurer wrote:
Please search the archives before you use ximian. bad things CAN and WILL happen if you ever want to use a non-ximian version of gnome.
I am already using ximian, it works great. Please, a little less FUD if you don't mind
Perhaps you are among the lucky ones, there are many people whose systems were pretty messed up the next time they went to update their systems.
Direct from ulb ... Using Ximian GNOME is fine up to a point. That point tends to be when you decide to upgrade your entire SuSE distribution, when the differences in package names can cause real problems. The fact that some packages, especially libraries, are installed to different filesystem locations by Ximian can also cause some problems.
This was true for ximian 1, in my experience it's not true for ximian desktop 2, all the gnome stuff is installed in /opt/gnome2, just as in a default SuSE install, I haven't so far encountered any problems with either that or package names in xd2. If you have any concrete examples I'd love to hear about it. The only problem I've seen so far is that the PATH variable is set to something very limited, but that's easily fixed
On Thursday 09 October 2003 12:19 am, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 12:02 am, Anders Johansson wrote:
This was true for ximian 1, in my experience it's not true for ximian desktop 2, all the gnome stuff is installed in /opt/gnome2, just as in a default SuSE install, I haven't so far encountered any problems with either
On Thursday 09 October 2003 06.14, Franklin Maurer wrote: that or package names in xd2. If you have any concrete examples I'd love to hear about it.
The only problem I've seen so far is that the PATH variable is set to something very limited, but that's easily fixed
i wasn't aware that this was fixed, thanks for pointing this out. Personally my last experience with ximian was in 8.1, it ended in complete failure after an upgrade. Are you running xd2 and James' gnome? And you've upgraded both or one, without any problems? Do you use red carpet and apt? I have witnessed others who ran into problems in the last few months, I'm fairly sure it had to do with xd2. The problems arose after trying to upgrade or remove xd2. I'll search through the archives tomorrow and see if I can find them. But now I must get some sleep. -- Franklin Maurer Using SuSE 8.2 Pro
On Thursday 09 October 2003 06.51, Franklin Maurer wrote:
i wasn't aware that this was fixed, thanks for pointing this out. Personally my last experience with ximian was in 8.1, it ended in complete failure after an upgrade.
That was ximian 1, I didn't have a very good experience with it either
Are you running xd2 and James' gnome?
xd2, I don't think you can run both at the same time, although single packages from ULB should work.
And you've upgraded both or one, without any problems?
well, xd2 wasn't released until 8.2 so I haven't had a chance yet, but so far all the packages have had the same names so that shouldn't be a problem. I did upgrade xd2 from gnome 2.2 to gnome 2.4 though, in the Ximian unstable channel, using red carpet. So far I haven't seen any huge problems The gnome packages have newer versions of course, but you'd have that problem with ULB stuff too.
Do you use red carpet and apt?
red carpet
I have witnessed others who ran into problems in the last few months, I'm fairly sure it had to do with xd2. The problems arose after trying to upgrade or remove xd2.
There is one thing that most people react to, besides the problem with $PATH I mentioned, and that is that since both Gnome and KDE use $HOME/Desktop as the desktop directory, things collide. But again, this is a problem with gnome/ KDE in general, not where you get it from. You can always set manually a different directory for either one to avoid it
non sequiteur. You can use red carpet AND usr-local-bin gnome. It's not an either/or situation. One is a desktop environment, the other is a package manager. not the same thing
But the fact is that Dread Carpet is geared towards installing Ximian's packages. When I have used it, it has shown scant little respect for packages not produced by Ximian Inc. -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2). GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
On Thursday 09 October 2003 08.54, James Ogley wrote:
non sequiteur. You can use red carpet AND usr-local-bin gnome. It's not an either/or situation. One is a desktop environment, the other is a package manager. not the same thing
But the fact is that Dread Carpet is geared towards installing Ximian's packages. When I have used it, it has shown scant little respect for packages not produced by Ximian Inc.
Explain please? As far as I can see you can use it to install any packages whatsoever. I've used it to install KDE packages from the supplementary, I've used it to install packages from packman, I've never seen any "preference" for ximian packages As far as I can see it is the best package manager for RPM out there.
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 01:22, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 09 October 2003 08.54, James Ogley wrote:
non sequiteur. You can use red carpet AND usr-local-bin gnome. It's not an either/or situation. One is a desktop environment, the other is a package manager. not the same thing
But the fact is that Dread Carpet is geared towards installing Ximian's packages. When I have used it, it has shown scant little respect for packages not produced by Ximian Inc.
Explain please? As far as I can see you can use it to install any packages whatsoever. I've used it to install KDE packages from the supplementary, I've used it to install packages from packman, I've never seen any "preference" for ximian packages
As far as I can see it is the best package manager for RPM out there.
Hi Anders, I have to agree that Ximian Desktop can cause problems. I installed XD2 a couple of weeks ago and the KDE desktop was severely messed by XD2. I have attached below my original comment sent to this list. I do not consider it acceptable for XD2 to have messed up konqueror and its variants on my KDE desktop. I received a response, privately, from a SuSE lister that had a similar experience which he resolved by re-installing SuSE. I resolved the problem by deleting various Ximian files (yes this caused dependency problems) and managed to reinstall some gnome files from ULB such that gnome no longer interferes with konqueror. Ximian may not have caused you any problems with XD2, but it did cause problems here. This not meant is FUD, just a factual statement. BTW you mentioned that XD1 caused you problems, which I guess is just turn about since XD1 worked fine for me. There are still some Ximian package issues on my current system such as XD2 removed my /opt/mozilla files and appears to have moved the info to /opt/gnome2/lib/mozilla and the mozilla version there is listed as 35:1.4 whereas the mozilla version actually is 1.4. Of course even when mozilla 1.6 is available, a normal upgrade will not work because the version 35:1.4 will appear to be newer. Based on my recent experience, I would also advise SuSE gnome users stay with either the SuSE or ULB packages and avoid the Ximian packages. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * copied from and earlier message sent to the list --------------------------- I tried to look at the Ximian XD2 desktop by installing on system. After logging to gnome and then deciding to log back to KDE, I found that Ximian Gnome had altered my KDE desktop. According to this list's archives this is because Ximian takes certain of the KDE desktop items and saves them in "old desktop". The Ximian "doorman" asks if you want your old desktop saved, but since I was logging in to gnome I expected Ximian to save my old gnome desktop not alter my KDE desktop. Not very funny because the icon cannot be opened normally in KDE since Konqueror does not work. Konqueror seriously does not work. Using Konsole to enter "konqueror" or "kfmclient openProfile filemanagement" also does not work (no error message, just seems to hang). Fortunately going to the SuSE menu/system/...superuser filemanager still works, so that the Ximian "old desktop" can be opened and the original icons for KDE returned to the desktop. Except that Konqueror and its variants still do not work. None of: Home directory Konqueror web browser windows directory share directory floppy cdr dvd The only way to see files in KDE is to use Konsole to call nautilus. BAD Ximian. The list archives suggest that adjusting the gnome settings to turn off the nautilus option of "show desktop" would solve the problem. This was the setting and it was reset and still no konqueror and way too much nautilus. If I log in to xfce or windowmaker, then konqueror or "kfmclient openProfile filemanager" work perfectly with all my original settings saved. However if I create a new user and then try to login to KDE, konqueror and its variants are still non-functional. I can function quite happily in xfce4, but I want to put Ximian gnome in its place and away from my KDE. Can anyone suggest how to recover konqueror for KDE? -------------------------------- end of copy. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01
does anyone know where are the gnome2 packages for suse 8.2
GNOME 2.2 is included in SuSE 8.2, and you can get updated packages from www.usr-local-bin.org or, if you use APT, add the following line to sources.list rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt SuSE/8.2-i386 usr-local-bin and then run apt-get update apt-get install ulb-gnome If you mean GNOME 2.4, there aren't any that I'm aware of. -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2). GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
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