[opensuse] No More Official PPC Distro
Just got this answer from a bugzilla posting(https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557580) from Michael Loeffler about why there wasn't a PPC version of 11.2: "we (Novell/SUSE employees) won't provide a ppc distribution anymore. The effort for such a code stream is not justified by 0.3% out of all installations (see Distribution of architecture at http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics). Nevertheless we will support anyone who'd like to take over the task to build an openSUSE ppc distribution." So, what's the interest in trying to keep the PowerPC port alive? With such a small user base, I agree it doesn't make sense for them to continue to do it(although I was under the impression that the POWER port of SLEx was based on openSUSE so I'm not sure what the status of that is going to be either). I have several viable Powermacs that can run openSUSE. Peter Czanik uses it on a Pegasos PPC machine. So, what's the interest? I'm not sure how much help I can be other than testing but I'd like to find out who else is using or wanting to use openSUSE on PPC. Thanx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Larry Stotler wrote:
Just got this answer from a bugzilla posting(https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557580) from Michael Loeffler about why there wasn't a PPC version of 11.2:
"we (Novell/SUSE employees) won't provide a ppc distribution anymore. The effort for such a code stream is not justified by 0.3% out of all installations (see Distribution of architecture at http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics). Nevertheless we will support anyone who'd like to take over the task to build an openSUSE ppc distribution."
I wonder what distro IBM uses on their PowerPC blade servers? They recently installed a new supercomputer at the University of Toronto that runs Linux. That system is a mix of PowerPC and x86_64 boards. http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/27755.wss -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I wonder what distro IBM uses on their PowerPC blade servers? Red Hat? That's what they are recommending for their "Z" (former 3090)
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 02:59:38PM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:42:47 -0500 James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
I wonder what distro IBM uses on their PowerPC blade servers? Red Hat? That's what they are recommending for their "Z" (former 3090) platform.
IBM offers both Redhat and SUSE on Power and Z. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:03:44 +0100 Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de> wrote:
IBM offers both Redhat and SUSE on Power and Z. How true! (I have an old 3090 running VM here) And what will be left, once SUSE dismisses its non Intel/AMD support?
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 03:26:33PM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:03:44 +0100 Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de> wrote:
IBM offers both Redhat and SUSE on Power and Z. How true! (I have an old 3090 running VM here) And what will be left, once SUSE dismisses its non Intel/AMD support?
The change is only for openSUSE. SLES has of course different requirements and priorities, and so far all architectures (i586,x86_64,ppc64,s390x,ia64) are supported and will continue to be supported. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 03:26:33PM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:03:44 +0100 Marcus Meissner<meissner@suse.de> wrote:
IBM offers both Redhat and SUSE on Power and Z.
How true! (I have an old 3090 running VM here) And what will be left, once SUSE dismisses its non Intel/AMD support?
The change is only for openSUSE.
SLES has of course different requirements and priorities, and so far all architectures (i586,x86_64,ppc64,s390x,ia64) are supported and will continue to be supported.
Ciao, Marcus
It's nice to know it'll still be available next time I buy a supercomputer. ;-) Incidentally, many years ago, I used to support VAX 11/780 systems (I was using VAX/VMS before I even saw PC/MS-DOS) and in it's day it was considered a fairly powerful computer. However, it's CPU was about as powerful as an Intel 386! It's been over 20 years since I last worked on one of those systems. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 25/11/09 14:38, James Knott wrote:
It's nice to know it'll still be available next time I buy a supercomputer. ;-)
As far as I know, you dont need a supercomputer to get SLE11-PPC. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 02:59:38PM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:42:47 -0500 James Knott<james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
I wonder what distro IBM uses on their PowerPC blade servers?
Red Hat? That's what they are recommending for their "Z" (former 3090) platform.
IBM offers both Redhat and SUSE on Power and Z.
Ciao, Marcus
So, with the OpenSUSE version being dropped for PPC, I guess it'll be only RH available now. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:30:59PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 02:59:38PM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:42:47 -0500 James Knott<james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
I wonder what distro IBM uses on their PowerPC blade servers?
Red Hat? That's what they are recommending for their "Z" (former 3090) platform.
IBM offers both Redhat and SUSE on Power and Z.
Ciao, Marcus
So, with the OpenSUSE version being dropped for PPC, I guess it'll be only RH available now.
? I don't get you? Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 02:59:38PM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:42:47 -0500 James Knott<james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
I wonder what distro IBM uses on their PowerPC blade servers?
Red Hat? That's what they are recommending for their "Z" (former 3090) platform.
IBM offers both Redhat and SUSE on Power and Z.
Ciao, Marcus
So, with the OpenSUSE version being dropped for PPC, I guess it'll be only RH available now.
No, I'm sure SLES will still be built for PPC. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Op 25-nov-09 schreef Larry Stotler:
Just got this answer from a bugzilla posting(https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557580) from Michael Loeffler about why there wasn't a PPC version of 11.2:
"we (Novell/SUSE employees) won't provide a ppc distribution anymore. The effort for such a code stream is not justified by 0.3% out of all installations (see Distribution of architecture at http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics). Nevertheless we will support anyone who'd like to take over the task to build an openSUSE ppc distribution."
So, what's the interest in trying to keep the PowerPC port alive? With such a small user base, I agree it doesn't make sense for them to continue to do it(although I was under the impression that the POWER port of SLEx was based on openSUSE so I'm not sure what the status of that is going to be either).
I have several viable Powermacs that can run openSUSE. Peter Czanik uses it on a Pegasos PPC machine.
So, what's the interest? I'm not sure how much help I can be other than testing but I'd like to find out who else is using or wanting to use openSUSE on PPC.
Thank you for your effort. As I am looking for a road forward in view of the fact that Apple dropped their PPC machines from support I selected openSuse. There is a G4 Mini - running openSuse 10.3 and regularly updated. Not used every day but still very well on this hardwar. There is a G5 Dual 1.8 waiting to be useful again, and it has a 11.1 installation but not good. The desktop keeps reloading. As for going to 11.2, all the iso's I downloaded wouldn't boot. I'll wait and try the next factory distro as soon as available. In the meantime I am unclear about the factory process. Is it just names like that because it is unclear what the status of the code is? Or some other reason? By the way, I have used YDL but they don't mention PPC in their latest announcements I think. greetings, Klaas Punt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sitting at a 7400 G4 as I type this, I can say that there remains some interest. The biggest area would be in revitalizing old machines that were otherwise disposed of as excess. Schools trying to wring a small amount of worth out of older machines would also benefit. Today's world is one where the x86 architecture is not absolutely dominant. We're already seeing in the smartphone market the near dominance of ARM architecture in devices. As those devices are becoming essentially small portable computers first with telephone capability a welded-on after-thought, the potential install base is becoming broader. Strangely enough, Android is capable of running on any Power Architecture architecture based handsets although I am not aware of any out there right now. Will there be a "mass market" in a few years with a single architecture dominating? I don't know. Right now, the signs for the future are uncertain. Keeping a PPC legacy intact at least provides good practice for any potential world where no single architecture dominates. Stephen Michael Kellat, MSLS Sheffield Township, Ohio skellat@fastmail.net On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:53:51 +0100, "Klaas." <kplists@xs4all.nl> said:
Op 25-nov-09 schreef Larry Stotler:
Just got this answer from a bugzilla posting(https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557580) from Michael Loeffler about why there wasn't a PPC version of 11.2:
"we (Novell/SUSE employees) won't provide a ppc distribution anymore. The effort for such a code stream is not justified by 0.3% out of all installations (see Distribution of architecture at http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics). Nevertheless we will support anyone who'd like to take over the task to build an openSUSE ppc distribution."
So, what's the interest in trying to keep the PowerPC port alive? With such a small user base, I agree it doesn't make sense for them to continue to do it(although I was under the impression that the POWER port of SLEx was based on openSUSE so I'm not sure what the status of that is going to be either).
I have several viable Powermacs that can run openSUSE. Peter Czanik uses it on a Pegasos PPC machine.
So, what's the interest? I'm not sure how much help I can be other than testing but I'd like to find out who else is using or wanting to use openSUSE on PPC.
Thank you for your effort.
As I am looking for a road forward in view of the fact that Apple dropped their PPC machines from support I selected openSuse.
There is a G4 Mini - running openSuse 10.3 and regularly updated. Not used every day but still very well on this hardwar. There is a G5 Dual 1.8 waiting to be useful again, and it has a 11.1 installation but not good. The desktop keeps reloading.
As for going to 11.2, all the iso's I downloaded wouldn't boot. I'll wait and try the next factory distro as soon as available. In the meantime I am unclear about the factory process. Is it just names like that because it is unclear what the status of the code is? Or some other reason?
By the way, I have used YDL but they don't mention PPC in their latest announcements I think.
greetings, Klaas Punt
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Klaas. <kplists@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Thank you for your effort. As I am looking for a road forward in view of the fact that Apple dropped their PPC machines from support I selected openSuse. There is a G4 Mini - running openSuse 10.3 and regularly updated. Not used every day but still very well on this hardwar. There is a G5 Dual 1.8 waiting to be useful again, and it has a 11.1 installation but not good. The desktop keeps reloading.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of 11.1. I'm still running 11.0 on my machine. I've installed 11.2 on my son's but he likes KDE4 and I don't.
As for going to 11.2, all the iso's I downloaded wouldn't boot. I'll wait and try the next factory distro as soon as available. In the meantime I am unclear about the factory process. Is it just names like that because it is unclear what the status of the code is? Or some other reason?
Factory is the developement branch. All the Milstones(Betas and Alphas) and snapshots of Facotry at a specific point. So are the Release Candidates. The final version is split off from Factory before the release. Then Factory moves on and becomes the development platform for the next version. So, while 11.2 has kernel 2.30.x(or whatever), Factory will move on to 2.31.x whatever.
By the way, I have used YDL but they don't mention PPC in their latest announcements I think.
Yellow Dog is POWER/PPC ONLY. Always has been. They are selling machines made by their parent company that are G5 based. Power Workstation - http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/powerstation/specs.html Cell based PCIe board - http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/gigaaccel180/ IBM POWER Blades - http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/bladecenter/qs22/ Unfortunately, the Core2 and Core i7's are considered to be much faster overall than the G5's. The Real "Power" chips are the Power5 & Power6 and derivatives. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Klaas. <kplists@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Thank you for your effort. As I am looking for a road forward in view of the fact that Apple dropped their PPC machines from support I selected openSuse. There is a G4 Mini - running openSuse 10.3 and regularly updated. Not used every day but still very well on this hardwar. There is a G5 Dual 1.8 waiting to be useful again, and it has a 11.1 installation but not good. The desktop keeps reloading.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of 11.1. I'm still running 11.0 on my machine. I've installed 11.2 on my son's but he likes KDE4 and I don't.
As for going to 11.2, all the iso's I downloaded wouldn't boot. I'll wait and try the next factory distro as soon as available. In the meantime I am unclear about the factory process. Is it just names like that because it is unclear what the status of the code is? Or some other reason?
Factory is the developement branch. All the Milstones(Betas and Alphas) and snapshots of Facotry at a specific point. So are the Release Candidates. The final version is split off from Factory before the release. Then Factory moves on and becomes the development platform for the next version. So, while 11.2 has kernel 2.30.x(or whatever), Factory will move on to 2.31.x whatever.
Factory is already moving forward toward 11.3 as you say. And a Roadmap already exists: http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap Dec. 12 is the first milestone release. Don't be surprised if it has major issues. The early milestones are not expected to be stable. They are mostly useful for having a reference in bugzilla etc. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [11-25-09 15:25]:
Factory is already moving forward toward 11.3 as you say.
iiuc, factory *is* 11.3 (very early, MS 0)
And a Roadmap already exists: http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap
Dec. 12 is the first milestone release. Don't be surprised if it has major issues. The early milestones are not expected to be stable. They are mostly useful for having a reference in bugzilla etc.
It surely will not be less usable than it is now and I have *only* one major issue at present, yast is *unusable* if I want to use spamassassin and/or apache2-mod_perl. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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