Re: [opensuse] KDE 4 vs Gnome vs Windows
On 08/02/2010 01:14 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
David,
That was pretty much my gut feeling too.
By default, does Gnome have the plain desktop like KDE 3 (in other words, not in a folder on the desktop like KDE 4)
Duaine
Yep, Gnome has just a simple old kde3 type desktop. When you go to Gnome for the first time, things will seem a little bit different at first. Just remember that gconf-editor is where all the detailed settings take place. Just google "gnome configure XYZ.." and you will find the gconf-editor setting you need to change. Most all of your normal settings can be handled in the gnome control center, so from that standpoint there are no surprises. All of your normal appearance settings are available by rt-clicking on the desktop and then clicking "change desktop background". That brings up the dialog that controls the GTK Theme (controls, check boxes, etc.. settings), metacity theme settings (window borders/decorations), mouse cursor, etc... There are a whole lot of absolutely 'Killer' gtk/metacity themes out there for gnome. All in all, while I was a true kde advocate all the way through kde3.5, I have absolutely fallen in love with Gnome as a desktop. It is more than capable while retaining the simple efficiency that was the mainstay of kde3. It is well worth the time it will take to make friends with the desktop. Sure there are some things I don't like in Gnome as much as I like in kde (nothing will top kde3 konqueror for a file manager), but there is nothing on the downside in Gnome that is a put-off for me either. Give it a spin and when you are ready for the killer themes and tips shoot a post to the list and I'll post a short list of the good one (dark of course for my tired eyes ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/08/2010 14:43, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/02/2010 01:14 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
David,
That was pretty much my gut feeling too.
By default, does Gnome have the plain desktop like KDE 3 (in other words, not in a folder on the desktop like KDE 4)
Duaine
Yep,
Gnome has just a simple old kde3 type desktop.
When you go to Gnome for the first time, things will seem a little bit different at first. Just remember that gconf-editor is where all the detailed settings take place. Just google "gnome configure XYZ.." and you will find the gconf-editor setting you need to change.
Most all of your normal settings can be handled in the gnome control center, so from that standpoint there are no surprises. All of your normal appearance settings are available by rt-clicking on the desktop and then clicking "change desktop background". That brings up the dialog that controls the GTK Theme (controls, check boxes, etc.. settings), metacity theme settings (window borders/decorations), mouse cursor, etc... There are a whole lot of absolutely 'Killer' gtk/metacity themes out there for gnome.
All in all, while I was a true kde advocate all the way through kde3.5, I have absolutely fallen in love with Gnome as a desktop.
+1. To be very honest, I cannot ever go back to KDE. When I first tried a Linux distro years ago I couldn't 'stomach' gnome - just that great foot-print and the name turned me off. I stuck with KDE all the way - until just recently. Now I cannot understand what people see in KDE with all the plasmas and widgets and gidgets and "activities" and....and....whatever, not to mention the continual wrangling about KDE 3 and KDE4. I tried to upload screenshots of my gnome desktop for Duaine to see what one may look like but the sites I've been given to do this don't do credit to the snapshots, and I am not going to send Duaine 2 png files each 2.2MG big. BC -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 15:52 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/08/2010 14:43, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/02/2010 01:14 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
David,
That was pretty much my gut feeling too.
By default, does Gnome have the plain desktop like KDE 3 (in other words, not in a folder on the desktop like KDE 4)
Duaine
Yep,
Gnome has just a simple old kde3 type desktop.
When you go to Gnome for the first time, things will seem a little bit different at first. Just remember that gconf-editor is where all the detailed settings take place. Just google "gnome configure XYZ.." and you will find the gconf-editor setting you need to change.
Most all of your normal settings can be handled in the gnome control center, so from that standpoint there are no surprises. All of your normal appearance settings are available by rt-clicking on the desktop and then clicking "change desktop background". That brings up the dialog that controls the GTK Theme (controls, check boxes, etc.. settings), metacity theme settings (window borders/decorations), mouse cursor, etc... There are a whole lot of absolutely 'Killer' gtk/metacity themes out there for gnome.
All in all, while I was a true kde advocate all the way through kde3.5, I have absolutely fallen in love with Gnome as a desktop.
+1.
To be very honest, I cannot ever go back to KDE.
When I first tried a Linux distro years ago I couldn't 'stomach' gnome - just that great foot-print and the name turned me off. I stuck with KDE all the way - until just recently. Now I cannot understand what people see in KDE with all the plasmas and widgets and gidgets and "activities" and....and....whatever, not to mention the continual wrangling about KDE 3 and KDE4.
I tried to upload screenshots of my gnome desktop for Duaine to see what one may look like but the sites I've been given to do this don't do credit to the snapshots, and I am not going to send Duaine 2 png files each 2.2MG big.
BC
But can he or anyone using oS get to the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 06:12 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
I tried to upload screenshots of my gnome desktop for Duaine to see what one may look like but the sites I've been given to do this don't do credit to the snapshots, and I am not going to send Duaine 2 png files each 2.2MG big. But can he or anyone using oS get to the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do?
"the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do"??? What does that mean? Most users I know have work to do, and never change the default theme. They just don't care. -- Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org> LPIC-1, Novell CLA <http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com> OpenGroupware, Cyrus IMAPd, Postfix, OpenLDAP, Samba -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-08-03 13:40, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 06:12 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
But can he or anyone using oS get to the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do?
"the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do"??? What does that mean?
Most users I know have work to do, and never change the default theme. They just don't care.
Yep. We just use the computer. Easy going >:-) I have (had!) a desktop wallpaper with the world map and the daylight changing as time passes, which I made myself. But I still don't know (or didn't like the methods I read about) is how to create different wallpapers for each workspace. What for? Because I have a few and I like to see on which I am. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxYEMoACgkQU92UU+smfQW0nQCggVRnVhtQ9zB0RzI/46vsMvjm jSMAoIfWZCTuGsXP/Z7tkUkH0du2jrBz =bshL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/08/2010 22:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2010-08-03 13:40, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 06:12 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
But can he or anyone using oS get to the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do?
"the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do"??? What does that mean?
Most users I know have work to do, and never change the default theme. They just don't care.
Yep. We just use the computer. Easy going>:-)
I have (had!) a desktop wallpaper with the world map and the daylight changing as time passes, which I made myself.
But I still don't know (or didn't like the methods I read about) is how to create different wallpapers for each workspace. What for? Because I have a few and I like to see on which I am.
There is a utility called wallpapoz which will do what you want - but, frankly, I wouldn't bother. I used to be a vehement supporter of the need to have a different wallpaper/background for each desktop. But not any more. If you cannot figure out which desktop you are on or which one you want to use to run a particular app or a set of apps (oh, alright already..."activities"!) then you are just too old to even think about using a computer :-) - or even be allowed to be left alone with a TV remote control :-D . BC -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-08-03 15:05, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/08/2010 22:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But I still don't know (or didn't like the methods I read about) is how to create different wallpapers for each workspace. What for? Because I have a few and I like to see on which I am.
There is a utility called wallpapoz which will do what you want - but, frankly, I wouldn't bother.
Not available for oS, AFAIK. It must be in the category I mention of "I don't like". Ah, I see how they do it. There is a daemon whatching where you are, and on desktop change it changes the configuration file. It is similar to what I do for the daylight map, but more intrusive, I do it via cron. It is not maintained anymore..
I used to be a vehement supporter of the need to have a different wallpaper/background for each desktop. But not any more. If you cannot figure out which desktop you are on or which one you want to use to run a particular app or a set of apps (oh, alright already..."activities"!) then you are just too old to even think about using a computer :-) - or even be allowed to be left alone with a TV remote control :-D .
Ha, ha. :-) It is just a nice thing to do, not crucial. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxYGUUACgkQU92UU+smfQWiRgCfValluFwzWQpoaX/FpRaTQ2hP JpUAni47DRHVKyVxsZVvYJBaxSH0hRDf =QgH9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 07:40 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 06:12 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
I tried to upload screenshots of my gnome desktop for Duaine to see what one may look like but the sites I've been given to do this don't do credit to the snapshots, and I am not going to send Duaine 2 png files each 2.2MG big. But can he or anyone using oS get to the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do?
"the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do"??? What does that mean?
Most users I know have work to do, and never change the default theme. They just don't care.
Novell has tweaked the Gnome Desktop that ships with oS, frankly for NLD I have no problem with it, but for oS, I'd prefer what seems to be the desktop that ships with Ubuntu, Fedora, and Debian. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 06:02, Mike McMullin wrote:
Novell has tweaked the Gnome Desktop that ships with oS, frankly for NLD I have no problem with it, but for oS, I'd prefer what seems to be the desktop that ships with Ubuntu, Fedora, and Debian.
Me too... I find the Slab menu thing to be... not as useful as I think the intention was - especially once I go beyond the favorited apps and need to find something a bit deeper in the menus. I generally shut it off and go with a more traditional menu in oS Gnome installs. I find the Gnome desktop used by all other Linux distros I've tinkered with to be more... what I expect as a user. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 07:32 +0200, C wrote:
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 06:02, Mike McMullin wrote:
Novell has tweaked the Gnome Desktop that ships with oS,
Me too... I find the Slab menu thing to be... not as useful as I think the intention was - especially once I go beyond the favorited apps and need to find something a bit deeper in the menus.
I put a second panel at the top of the screen and put my favoured applications up there - about 12 of them grouped by application and spaced across the width of the screen so it is easy to click. With this I find I rarely have to go to SLAB, or plumb its depths for applications. Al -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 00:07, Allen Benter wrote:
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 07:32 +0200, C wrote:
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 06:02, Mike McMullin wrote:
Novell has tweaked the Gnome Desktop that ships with oS,
Me too... I find the Slab menu thing to be... not as useful as I think the intention was - especially once I go beyond the favorited apps and need to find something a bit deeper in the menus.
I put a second panel at the top of the screen and put my favoured applications up there - about 12 of them grouped by application and spaced across the width of the screen so it is easy to click. With this I find I rarely have to go to SLAB, or plumb its depths for applications.
Which is basically what I said (and you trimmed)... If I'm using openSUSE Gnome (which isn't often) I tend to drop the slab altogether and swap over to the panel menus that other Gnome distros favor. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 00:11 +0200, C wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 00:07, Allen Benter wrote:
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 07:32 +0200, C wrote:
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 06:02, Mike McMullin wrote:
Novell has tweaked the Gnome Desktop that ships with oS,
Me too... I find the Slab menu thing to be... not as useful as I think the intention was - especially once I go beyond the favorited apps and need to find something a bit deeper in the menus.
I put a second panel at the top of the screen and put my favoured applications up there - about 12 of them grouped by application and spaced across the width of the screen so it is easy to click. With this I find I rarely have to go to SLAB, or plumb its depths for applications.
Which is basically what I said (and you trimmed)... If I'm using openSUSE Gnome (which isn't often) I tend to drop the slab altogether and swap over to the panel menus that other Gnome distros favor.
C.
No, that is not what I meant. What I am doing is not to use a panel menu at all. I find there are about 12 applications I use day-in, day-out. So I put those icons on the top panel, and then don't have to use a menu at all, unless I need an application I rarely use. In which case, Slab is fine. One could put a more traditional panel menu in replacement of SLAB, but then you still need to explore a multi-layered menu system. Perhaps it is faster than SLAB, perhaps not. Al -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/03/2010 05:12 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
But can he or anyone using oS get to the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do?
Mike, I'm not sure what you mean, but I can tell you that I can get any type of gnome desktop that I have ever seen in any screenshots anywhere. The only differences are the different menus available, the different panels, etc. Get a screenshot of what you want your desktop to look like and I can pretty much tell you what pieces of the puzzle you are seeing them use... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 09:53 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/03/2010 05:12 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
But can he or anyone using oS get to the kind of Gnome desktop that Ubuntu Users do?
Mike, Using 11.2, you can put a custom menu bar on to the panel. This will give you the more traditional "Applications ... Places ... System" to access your menu items. Simply right click on the panel and look for "Menu Bar - A custom menu bar". I assume you can then edit the menu to display similar to Ubuntu if you want to. Allen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-08-03 06:43, David C. Rankin wrote:
Sure there are some things I don't like in Gnome as much as I like in kde (nothing will top kde3 konqueror for a file manager), but there is nothing on the downside in Gnome that is a put-off for me either.
Absolutely. I'm a gnome user (more so nowdays), but that's some thing I loved from kde and used. And I miss it a lot. How can I get (11.2) that browser mode, in which, for example, when displaying a folder of video files it would tell me the duration, the video codec, the audio codec, the X*Y display size... How can I get it back? I have kde3 installed, but I don't see it. Kde4 didn't have it either, last time I looked. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxYD7kACgkQU92UU+smfQUzrwCff/m35bIF5x1x47pK5GjKhb4E DXMAoI0HYobO5HgeJFuJ1j/T8ma2otuh =MgrG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 14:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
How can I get (11.2) that browser mode, in which, for example, when displaying a folder of video files it would tell me the duration, the video codec, the audio codec, the X*Y display size... How can I get it back? I have kde3 installed, but I don't see it. Kde4 didn't have it either, last time I looked.
Dolphin in KDE4.5 finally has the metadata for images (yay), but for video the details are limited. I've read somewhere in a KDE dev blog that for video you need to enable Nepomuk and Strigi to get the extra details... I'm trying that now to see if anything new shows up. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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