[opensuse] KDE desktop crashes after long period of time (>24 hrs)
Hi I am using my openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 box with KDE to run some long simulations. The program is started in a terminal window and it runs smoothly, but I have noticed that after long period of time the KDE desktop crashes, however the terminal window is still in place and my simulation is unaffected. Also, KDE desktop seems to be able to restart, but the functionality is no longer the same, so the only way is to reboot the PC. Does anyone experienced something similar . thanks -- Bogdan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Bogdan Cristea wrote:
Hi
I am using my openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 box with KDE to run some long simulations. The program is started in a terminal window and it runs smoothly, but I have noticed that after long period of time the KDE desktop crashes, however the terminal window is still in place and my simulation is unaffected. Also, KDE desktop seems to be able to restart, but the functionality is no longer the same, so the only way is to reboot the PC. Does anyone experienced something similar .
thanks
Not quite that, but after a while, the desktop may become flakey, requiring restarting. Also, both Firefox and Seamonkey bog down after being open for a while. I do not know if the two problems are related. I also can no longer open man pages with Alt-F2 and #<command>. Instead of Konqueror opening at the man page, Seamonkey opens. I'm also running 12.3 x86_64. In general, performance drops with time. I have a bug report in about the man page issue, but no fix. It appears to affect only existing users. If I create a new user, it works fine for that user. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 14 April 2013 14:50:44 James Knott wrote:
Bogdan Cristea wrote:
Hi
I am using my openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 box with KDE to run some long simulations. The program is started in a terminal window and it runs smoothly, but I have noticed that after long period of time the KDE desktop crashes, however the terminal window is still in place and my simulation is unaffected. Also, KDE desktop seems to be able to restart, but the functionality is no longer the same, so the only way is to reboot the PC. Does anyone experienced something similar .
thanks
Not quite that, but after a while, the desktop may become flakey, requiring restarting. Also, both Firefox and Seamonkey bog down after being open for a while. I do not know if the two problems are related. I also can no longer open man pages with Alt-F2 and #<command>. Instead of Konqueror opening at the man page, Seamonkey opens. I'm also running 12.3 x86_64. In general, performance drops with time. I have a bug report in about the man page issue, but no fix. It appears to affect only existing users. If I create a new user, it works fine for that user.
Hi Indeed it might be related to the fact that .kde folder contains older configuration files, I have updated my distribution instead of installing a new one from scratch. -- Bogdan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Bogdan Cristea wrote:
Indeed it might be related to the fact that .kde folder contains older configuration files, I have updated my distribution instead of installing a new one from scratch.
That problem occurred after I had been using 12.2 for a while. Something changed, but I have no idea what. The problem occurred at about the same time on two different computers. I also maintain /home through upgrades. If someone could point to some file I could delete or change, that would help, but, so far, nothing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-04-14 14:50 (GMT-0400) James Knott composed:
both Firefox and Seamonkey bog down after being open for a while. I do not know if the two problems are related.
I doubt it, but if it does, I suspect it would have to do with GTK/KDE theming issues, or QT4, or compositing. I always have compositing disabled at the Xorg config level except sometimes briefly on a fresh distro install on a test system. I'm still running 32 bit 3.6.1 on 11.4 Evergreen/KDE3 24/7 with 4GB RAM and no swap partition enabled, and for weeks at a time without restarting until when the UPS batteries are run flat by extended local electric utility incompetence. The following also are kept open with infrequent restarts except for the one profile I backup daily while it is closed after daily trash empty and compacting: FF rv:1.8.1.20 from mozilla.org FF rv:1.9.2.28 from Mozilla Legacy repo FF latest (now rv20.0) from mozilla.org SM next (now rv21.0) browser and IRC; from mozilla.org SM latest (now rv20.0) browser and email; from mozilla.org only because updates are so slow to arrive in openSUSE repos I see no sluggishness or delays like I see reported by others, except occasional ones I invariably attribute to network issues outside my LAN. I estimate that my average open tab count among the 5 browser windows and 1 IRC window is upwards of 200. In email I don't use tabs. If you think KDE is the problem, try switching to KDM3 and KDE3 both long enough to see if crashing and bogging down stop. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Bogdan Cristea
Hi
I am using my openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 box with KDE to run some long simulations. The program is started in a terminal window and it runs smoothly, but I have noticed that after long period of time the KDE desktop crashes, however the terminal window is still in place and my simulation is unaffected. Also, KDE desktop seems to be able to restart, but the functionality is no longer the same, so the only way is to reboot the PC. Does anyone experienced something similar .
thanks
Could your simulation be eating your memory? I have stuff similar happen when my simulations eat up too much memory. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 14/04/13 15:41, Bogdan Cristea escribió:
Hi
I am using my openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 box with KDE to run some long simulations.
Is your box running the recently released KDE updates ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/14/2013 11:41 AM, Bogdan Cristea wrote:
Hi
I am using my openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 box with KDE to run some long simulations. The program is started in a terminal window and it runs smoothly, but I have noticed that after long period of time the KDE desktop crashes, however the terminal window is still in place and my simulation is unaffected. Also, KDE desktop seems to be able to restart, but the functionality is no longer the same, so the only way is to reboot the PC. Does anyone experienced something similar .
thanks
I see the same thing. Not running any long simulation, but I did have an ssh shell open on another machine watching ksysguard, while the KDE desktop just sat there idle, or If I leave it idle for some long period of time, when I return, it will be in a crashed state, the wall paper will still be showing, but the panel will be gone, right click will show the default context menu (run, activities, unlock widgets, etc) but none of them will work, and neither will any keyboard entries. If I switch to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) I can attempt to log in, it will take the username, and password but then times out waiting for login to happen. Even the SSH session becomes unresponsive after a while. So, reboot. Kde 4.10.00 Release 1, on OS 12.3 x86_64. I haven't had time to track this down, and therefore can't file any intelligent bug reports. My prior 11.4 install on the same machine would run for days on end un-attended. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 14/04/13 22:01, John Andersen escribió:
Kde 4.10.00 Release 1, on OS 12.3 x86_64.
There is a reason why I asked if people reporting this problem are running the latest KDE available on the update repos..(currently only in update-test afaik might change any minute) which is version 4.10.2. There is a memory leak in the kdeworkspace, that may be quite hungry and trash your machine, depending what it is your workflow. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun 14 Apr 2013 10:40:54 PM CLST, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 14/04/13 22:01, John Andersen escribió:
Kde 4.10.00 Release 1, on OS 12.3 x86_64.
There is a reason why I asked if people reporting this problem are running the latest KDE available on the update repos..(currently only in update-test afaik might change any minute) which is version 4.10.2.
There is a memory leak in the kdeworkspace, that may be quite hungry and trash your machine, depending what it is your workflow.
By that, I mean there *was* a memory leak in < 4.10.2 that is now fixed . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/14/2013 6:54 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On Sun 14 Apr 2013 10:40:54 PM CLST, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 14/04/13 22:01, John Andersen escribió:
Kde 4.10.00 Release 1, on OS 12.3 x86_64.
There is a reason why I asked if people reporting this problem are running the latest KDE available on the update repos..(currently only in update-test afaik might change any minute) which is version 4.10.2.
There is a memory leak in the kdeworkspace, that may be quite hungry and trash your machine, depending what it is your workflow.
By that, I mean there *was* a memory leak in < 4.10.2 that is now fixed .
Ah, very interesting... Out of memory was exactly the symptoms. It was announced by M.Meissner here on this list a day or 4 ago that the updates to KDE would be released via the normal update repository. (See http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-04/msg00465.html ) So I am reluctant to hang yet another repository onto my system if these fixes are going to begin coming via "the update channel" (precisely what respiratory Marcus was referring to was never revealed on this list). -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:42:03 -0700 John Andersen wrote:
On 4/14/2013 6:54 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On Sun 14 Apr 2013 10:40:54 PM CLST, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 14/04/13 22:01, John Andersen escribió:
Kde 4.10.00 Release 1, on OS 12.3 x86_64.
There is a reason why I asked if people reporting this problem are running the latest KDE available on the update repos..(currently only in update-test afaik might change any minute) which is version 4.10.2.
There is a memory leak in the kdeworkspace, that may be quite hungry and trash your machine, depending what it is your workflow.
By that, I mean there *was* a memory leak in < 4.10.2 that is now fixed .
Ah, very interesting... Out of memory was exactly the symptoms.
It was announced by M.Meissner here on this list a day or 4 ago that the updates to KDE would be released via the normal update repository. (See http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-04/msg00465.html )
So I am reluctant to hang yet another repository onto my system if these fixes are going to begin coming via "the update channel" (precisely what respiratory Marcus was referring to was never revealed on this list).
Um, quoting directly from Marcus' e-mail:
The KDE and the openSUSE Maintenance team will try something a bit new now ...
We will be releasing a KDE Minor version update via the update channel.
So currently in preparation is KDE 4.10.2 and unless we find an issue we will release it begin of next week.
You can already test it via either the test update channel http://download.opensuse.org/update/12.3-test/
or via its maintenance projects update channel: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Maintenance:/1553/openSU... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/14/2013 7:50 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:42:03 -0700 John Andersen wrote:
On 4/14/2013 6:54 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On Sun 14 Apr 2013 10:40:54 PM CLST, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 14/04/13 22:01, John Andersen escribió:
Kde 4.10.00 Release 1, on OS 12.3 x86_64.
There is a reason why I asked if people reporting this problem are running the latest KDE available on the update repos..(currently only in update-test afaik might change any minute) which is version 4.10.2.
There is a memory leak in the kdeworkspace, that may be quite hungry and trash your machine, depending what it is your workflow.
By that, I mean there *was* a memory leak in < 4.10.2 that is now fixed .
Ah, very interesting... Out of memory was exactly the symptoms.
It was announced by M.Meissner here on this list a day or 4 ago that the updates to KDE would be released via the normal update repository. (See http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-04/msg00465.html )
So I am reluctant to hang yet another repository onto my system if these fixes are going to begin coming via "the update channel" (precisely what respiratory Marcus was referring to was never revealed on this list).
Um, quoting directly from Marcus' e-mail:
The KDE and the openSUSE Maintenance team will try something a bit new now ...
We will be releasing a KDE Minor version update via the update channel.
So currently in preparation is KDE 4.10.2 and unless we find an issue we will release it begin of next week.
You can already test it via either the test update channel http://download.opensuse.org/update/12.3-test/
or via its maintenance projects update channel: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Maintenance:/1553/openSU...
Echoing Marcus's email does not make it any clearer. He says "You can ALREADY test it via......" What I want to know is what repositories will it begin coming in NEXT WEEK. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:57:26 -0700 John Andersen wrote: <snipped>
Echoing Marcus's email does not make it any clearer.
To you, maybe. But "normal update channel" says lots to me ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/14/2013 8:02 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:57:26 -0700 John Andersen wrote: <snipped>
Echoing Marcus's email does not make it any clearer.
To you, maybe. But "normal update channel" says lots to me ;-)
My what a helpful guy you are. ;-) Precisely what is the "Normal update channel" that you would expect to find in a fresh install of OS 12.3? There are no KDE update libraries automatically installed. Therefor there is no "normal" One has to hunt down updates from a bewildering array or repositories. And since the rumored huge memory leaks in KDE are not specific to the core or the applications, there is no way to choose between http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/UpdatedApps/openSUSE_12.3/ or http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/410/openSUSE_12.3/ which are mentioned on the KDE repository web page on OpenSuse. All I want is stability of KDE4 for the long haul, with no memory leaks. But I don't want bleeding edge stuff, because its for my main workstation on which I depend. So, Carl, if you have a definition of "Normal" I'd like to hear it. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 15/04/13 11:22, John Andersen escribió:
Precisely what is the "Normal update channel" that you would expect to find in a fresh install of OS 12.3?
the default installation includes a repository called "update" ..that is since openSUSE started. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/15/2013 8:37 AM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 15/04/13 11:22, John Andersen escribió:
Precisely what is the "Normal update channel" that you would expect to find in a fresh install of OS 12.3?
the default installation includes a repository called "update" ..that is since openSUSE started.
But as stated above, it has not / does not include KDE. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 15/04/13 12:40, John Andersen escribió:
But as stated above, it has not / does not include KDE.
That is, because the KDE updates are not YET in "update" but in "update-test". They however will sync out as official updates at any moment. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-04-15 12:46 (GMT-0300) Cristian Rodríguez composed:
John Andersen composed:
But as stated above, it has not / does not include KDE.
That is, because the KDE updates are not YET in "update" but in "update-test".
They however will sync out as official updates at any moment.
So those with 12.3 and no optional repos enabled will be getting upgraded from 4.10.0 to 4.10.2? Highest I see available now in kdebase4* is 4.10.0-1.8.1 (workspace). -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:15:24 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-04-15 12:46 (GMT-0300) Cristian Rodríguez composed:
John Andersen composed:
But as stated above, it has not / does not include KDE.
That is, because the KDE updates are not YET in "update" but in "update-test".
They however will sync out as official updates at any moment.
So those with 12.3 and no optional repos enabled will be getting upgraded from 4.10.0 to 4.10.2? Highest I see available now in kdebase4* is 4.10.0-1.8.1 (workspace).
Marcus wrote "The KDE and the openSUSE Maintenance team will try something a bit new now ..." so I understand everyone's confusion (sort of.) From what I've read, the problem that's been detected and fixed has ramifications (pun intended) that are sufficiently severe they feel it's worth breaking the tradition of not releasing 'version upgrades' ... even minor ones ... through the normal updates channel, (which has always been the "updates" repository.) Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 15/04/13 11:22, John Andersen escribió:
Precisely what is the "Normal update channel" that you would expect to find in a fresh install of OS 12.3?
the default installation includes a repository called "update" ..that is since openSUSE started.
Funny thing. I just tried to check the repositories to see if that update was listed. But I couldn't even start Yast from the menu or command line. However, I was able to start the ncurses version from the command line. Then, when I tried to restart the desktop, it took a very long time to shut down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Kde 4.10.00 Release 1, on OS 12.3 x86_64.
There is a reason why I asked if people reporting this problem are running the latest KDE available on the update repos..(currently only in update-test afaik might change any minute) which is version 4.10.2.
It appears I'm running 4.10.0-1.
There is a memory leak in the kdeworkspace
I guess I'd better put a bit bucket under my desk. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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