On Tuesday 03 February 2009, Herbert Graeber wrote:

Am Dienstag 03 Februar 2009 21:10:36 schrieb peter nikolic:

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Hi .

well yet another nail in the coffin of KDE4 .

I have just been trying the so called activivities out and being polite about it , it is a total pile of crap , People had been asking for tha ability to have a different set of icons on each virtual desktop and what do we get

Say, this is another nail in the coffin, because this feature works better in KDE3....

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Click on the Peanut zoom out click on another activity click on zoom in what the hell is that all about what is wrong with desktop 1 Ham radio icons Desktop 2 Office icons Desktop 3 games icons ect ect ect the offering so far is no better than shutting the session down and restarting as a differnet user will someone please LISTEN to what is being asked for and action it

There is a (ugly) plasmoid for fast switching between activities. In the long run this should be integrated with desktop switching, but currently it isn't, but implemented in parallel instead, to not break the desktop switching. Imagine the outrage thatwould have given...

So it is not really finished, but one can play with it.

Herbert

I have to say i do not see the reason for not doing exactly what was asked for make it possible for each desktop to have a different set of Icons on it therefore making it quick and easy to use usage would be nmo different to the way it always has been . Waht on earth is this darn fastination with Plasmoids they are a pain i have just been playing with the LCD weather plasmoid on the laptop with KDE 4.3.x and you can not have it on just one desktop it has to be on all of them this is very bad you do not want an app (which is what it is) to show up on every desktop else what is the point of having multiple desktops to start with there is still so much to do in KDE4.x.x to get it anywhere near that the way it's going it will be KDE6.x.x before we get back to something as functional as KDE3.5.x Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 03 February 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:

Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2009 22:52:27 schrieb peter nikolic:

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Waht on earth is this darn fastination with Plasmoids they are a pain i have just been playing with the LCD weather plasmoid on the laptop with KDE 4.3.x and you can not have it on just one desktop it has to be on all of

KDE 4.3 is pre-alpha. And please don't get into the polemic discussion about KDE 4.2 being beta bla bla.

Sven

well that may just hold a bit of water if i had actually picked KDE4.3 to install but bein as i had actually only picked KDE4.2 the it auto updated to 4.3 that sorry to say aint my problem it still sucks and the problem is STILL the same in 4.2 so it yet again still dont hold water and needs sorting YMMV Mine does NOT Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 04 February 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 09:10:14 schrieb peter nikolic:

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well that may just hold a bit of water if i had actually picked KDE4.3 to install but bein as i had actually only picked KDE4.2 the it auto updated to 4.3 that sorry to say aint my problem it still sucks and the problem is STILL the same in 4.2 so it yet again still dont hold water and needs sorting

YaST switched repos from Factory to UNSTABLE automatically? Did they build some AI into it? It seems unlikely that it changes repos on its own.

Sven

know notwhy or how it got installed i certainly would not have chosen 4.3 stuff been having enough problems with 4.1 that were supposed to be fixed in 4.2 so i end up with 4.3 Derrrrrrrr maybe someone can see some logic somewhere I'll be buggered if i can all i know is i now have a box with 4.3 beta on it and my guess is that if i try to back it down to 4.2 it'll get screwed big time and i aint into that sort of problem Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 05:49:34 schrieb David C. Rankin:

If this situation with kde4 had not yet been put before the board of maintainers, then get in on the agenda. From a historical standpoint, I would like to see what decisions concerning this desktop have been made by the board to date.

Where are the minutes from the board meetings and past decisions by the board of maintainers kept?

http://www.google.com/search?q=opensuse+kde+meeting+minutes&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 might be a start.

The guiding principles of openSuSE require:

<quote> ... transparency of the decision making processes, transparency of communication and transparency of work and collaboration processes. That includes openly answering questions, providing all relevant information, and actively keeping all involved parties informed. We are convinced that a transparent culture whose inner workings can be understood by everybody provides the most efficient and rewarding environment to reach our goals. </quote>

If you haven't read them lately, they can be found at: https://users.opensuse.org/guidingprinciples

Further, the governance principles require that:

<quote> The openSUSE community and Novell define the content of the distribution based on defined criteria and a transparent process led by the board of maintainers. </quote>

Will one of you Novell or openSuSE guys please provide a link to the criteria referenced in the guiding principles paragraph above.

I'm not one of them, yet maybe the following helps: the final decision has to be taken by the team, which only has limited resources and has to do the actual work. Further they announced and discussed this on news.opensuse.org, the IRC meetings and maybe even the kde mailinglist. opensuse@ is a support mailinglist, not an announcement- or news-mailinglist. To inform users does not mean that they (the kde team) have to come to you, but that you have to look for the information at the places that are used for announcements and communication within the kde-team and its community.

This desktop seems like a lost ship without a compass or heading. What is the direction here? Further troubling is that the way the kde4 decision making process has progressed. I read or scan virtually every post and I visit the openSuSE site almost daily. The entire kde4 development process seems to have ignored completely the openSuSE guiding principles and the transparency requirement embodied therein.

Or you did not care to look for information and participate rather than being served. KDE3 vs KDE4 was discussed over weeks and a decision was made and announced. Everybody could have joined the discussion and participate in it, if he was interested in it - which I guess is the real answer to all this complaining afterwards. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 20:15:30 schrieb jdd:

Sven Burmeister a écrit :

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To inform users does not mean that they (the kde team) have to come to you,

IMHO, it should.

What if a car maker decided to change the pedal layout and say: you could follow my newsgroups?

I guess you know that this comparison lacks any validity. They did come to the community by discussing it on IRC, the kde mailinglist and news.opensuse.org.

Of course the users at large don't have to be notified of day to day decisions, but major interface changes should be largely discussed

They were! You just were not interested enough to read on news.opensuse.org, read the related mailinglist (opensuse-kde) or join the IRC meetings. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 04 February 2009 14:15:30 jdd wrote:

What if a car maker decided to change the pedal layout and say: you could follow my newsgroups?

When the car maker gave you a free new KDE car with the new pedal layout, you could test drive it and if it doesn't work for you then file a problem report with them explaining why. You could then keep using the free KDE car you already have in your driveway, ask for a new free GNOME car, or you could even pay for a new Microsoft car. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 20:30:09 schrieb Larry Stotler:

And the worst part is the fact that those with disabilities have been forgotten and some can't even make use of KDE4.

Where are the bug-reports the describe these issues? Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 06 February 2009, Rajko Matovic wrote:

On Thursday 05 February 2009 13:53:19 peter nikolic wrote:

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On Tuesday 03 February 2009, peter nikolic wrote:

Well just been playing with this so called Activities stuf guess what it's a total failure

Try it and see

generate an Activity via the peanut thingy

Open an application in the new activity the leaving that app open switch back to your other activity via the silly peanut thingy and hey presto not only is the app center screen when activities are zoomed out but it is still there when you have switched now i dunno whos idea/interpretation of the idea is but it aint a goer

Maybe the KDE team need a bit of a pokingto jiffy them up a little on this one plus a few others

I mentioned that, and to me it seems counter intuitive.

Will Stephenson commented that with more details: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-02/msg00555.html

I would prefer to see Activities with properties similar to sessions without need to look in effects of switching between Xorg instances.

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Pete

-- Regards, Rajko

Hi . Well something needs doing because the way it is rtight now i simply does not work i would not m ind it it was something "Brand New" but it is something that we have been on the tail of for a good long time and only now they have a fried version of KDE out they add a seriously fried attempt at per desktop icons , Instead we get something that is a real monster that cant even walk let alone crawl . It may not be quite so bad if an app that was opened on one of the Activities stayed there and did not follow you whereever you went just what the point of that is i fail to see . Cheers Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009 20:53:19 schrieb peter nikolic:

On Tuesday 03 February 2009, peter nikolic wrote:

Well just been playing with this so called Activities stuf guess what it's a total failure

Try it and see

generate an Activity via the peanut thingy

Open an application in the new activity the leaving that app open switch back to your other activity via the silly peanut thingy and hey presto not only is the app center screen when activities are zoomed out but it is still there when you have switched now i dunno whos idea/interpretation of the idea is but it aint a goer

Maybe the KDE team need a bit of a pokingto jiffy them up a little on this one plus a few others

Activities are work in progress. They aren't fully integrated with the rest of KDE and the part of integration that already exisit has no user interface yet. Look on http://userbase.kde.org/plasma/4.2 . There you can find a hint how to connect activities with desktops one to one. That makes activities at little bit more useable and gives a hint how it shall work in future, but there is much more planned. Herbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org