[opensuse] Suse 12.3 RC1 is a BIG improvement over 12.2 (which was buggy unstable)
When the last Suse Online Update killed the X-server on my Dell M4600 notebook PC last Thursday, 14 Feb 2013, I had enough: Instead of fiddling around with 12.2 yet another time, I took the plunge and installed 12.3 RC1. I was pleasantly surprised! The system worked out of the box. The Graphics for the nVidia Quadro were fine. Firefox, thunderbird, chromium - no problem. Only two issues: 1) One minor bug in partitioner 2) My Logitech M555b bluetooth mouse is recognized, but does not work. I have registered both issues in Bugzilla - let's hope they are fixed when the final release comes out. Keep up the good work! Martin -- Martin Biermann martin.biermann@kir.uib.no -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:03:39 +0100 Martin Biermann <martin.biermann@kir.uib.no> wrote:
I have registered both issues in Bugzilla
Thank you for reporting. To see reports, as I don't have the links, I went around searching and using few minutes to find this one (open bugzilla, login, limit search to 12.3, look for "mouse", go back and expand time frame, search again): https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804157 (Bug 804157 - Bluetooth mouse does not work on OpenSuse 12.3 RC1) and shortly after, with your email from the first one: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804156 (Bug 804156 - partitioner suggests wrong partition for mounting windows drives) As I have time right now, waiting for update process on another desktop, it was not a problem to find both bug reports, but some other time I would just skip email, and look for something else. This is not reminder only for you, but also for everyone else that minor effort on your side can bring much more attention to your problem. Some people don't frequent to bugzilla and just read what is here, so making access easy with links can bring more eyes to your problem. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/16/2013 11:46 AM, Rajko wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:03:39 +0100 Martin Biermann <martin.biermann@kir.uib.no> wrote:
I have registered both issues in Bugzilla
Thank you for reporting.
To see reports, as I don't have the links, I went around searching and using few minutes to find this one (open bugzilla, login, limit search to 12.3, look for "mouse", go back and expand time frame, search again):
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804157 (Bug 804157 - Bluetooth mouse does not work on OpenSuse 12.3 RC1)
and shortly after, with your email from the first one:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804156 (Bug 804156 - partitioner suggests wrong partition for mounting windows drives)
As I have time right now, waiting for update process on another desktop, it was not a problem to find both bug reports, but some other time I would just skip email, and look for something else.
This is not reminder only for you, but also for everyone else that minor effort on your side can bring much more attention to your problem. Some people don't frequent to bugzilla and just read what is here, so making access easy with links can bring more eyes to your problem.
But he wasn't asking you or anyone here to investigate his problem. He posted them in bugzilla where everyone says to do it. They reach a developers eyes through normal channels and according to normal prioritization and triage. You just caused him to jump the queue even though he himself wasn't guilty of that. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:21:38 -0500 "Brian K. White" <brian@aljex.com> wrote: ...
But he wasn't asking you or anyone here to investigate his problem.
* User problem with common hardware and installation is not only his, as your sentence implies. With exemption of faulty hardware, or user configuration mistake, all other cases are common problems affecting everyone. * In general, posts to opensuse@opensuse.org don't have to contain explicit call for help. List topic is user to user help and anything posted should be either call for help, or attempt to help. BTW, your post and my reply are off topic - with only excuse for my post that I'm trying to prevent confusion that your post can make, if not answered.
He posted them in bugzilla where everyone says to do it.
Right.
They reach a developers eyes through normal channels and according to normal prioritization and triage.
Right. Now you have to explain the list readers and me, who are people that are active in that "normal prioritization and triage" process and where comes your assumption that this process is detached from this list and people that reading it. People that occasionally help triage and debugging are not following bugzilla. When someone posts a problem here they help, when they can, and it is just nice to have a bug report link as it makes easier to see the report and find out can you help or not. As explained in answer to Martin, it is not mandatory, to give links, it is just courtesy to list readers.
You just caused him to jump the queue even though he himself wasn't guilty of that.
Point list readers and me to a rule that tells if you report in bugzilla you should not tell that anywhere else, and that is exactly what your sentence means. BTW, I got a thank you notice from Martin, off list of course. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/19/2013 12:00 AM, Rajko wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 08:21:38 -0500 "Brian K. White" <brian@aljex.com> wrote:
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But he wasn't asking you or anyone here to investigate his problem.
* User problem with common hardware and installation is not only his, as your sentence implies. With exemption of faulty hardware, or user configuration mistake, all other cases are common problems affecting everyone.
* In general, posts to opensuse@opensuse.org don't have to contain explicit call for help.
List topic is user to user help and anything posted should be either call for help, or attempt to help.
BTW, your post and my reply are off topic - with only excuse for my post that I'm trying to prevent confusion that your post can make, if not answered.
He posted them in bugzilla where everyone says to do it.
Right.
They reach a developers eyes through normal channels and according to normal prioritization and triage.
Right.
Now you have to explain the list readers and me, who are people that are active in that "normal prioritization and triage" process and where comes your assumption that this process is detached from this list and people that reading it.
People that occasionally help triage and debugging are not following bugzilla. When someone posts a problem here they help, when they can, and it is just nice to have a bug report link as it makes easier to see the report and find out can you help or not.
As explained in answer to Martin, it is not mandatory, to give links, it is just courtesy to list readers.
You just caused him to jump the queue even though he himself wasn't guilty of that.
Point list readers and me to a rule that tells if you report in bugzilla you should not tell that anywhere else, and that is exactly what your sentence means.
I didn't say or imply there was any such rule and my sentence does not mean any such thing. Often people come in here and report some problem and people tell them go file a bugzilla. Less than helpful but fair enough. Here someone A) DID file a bugzilla, and B) Was NOT asking for help, and STILL manages to get "corrected". Next, although he didn't strictly speaking ask for help, of course he probably wouldn't turn it down. So it's fine that you decided to offer what wasn't explicitly asked for. You could have said, "if you post the links to those bugzillas I'll take a look." Instead you said "I just spent a lot of time hunting down those bugzillas because you didn't provide links to them like you should have" I am saying you were out of line saying he should have, given this context and out of line making him feel bad for consuming your time. That's all, not a huge crime and has nothing to do with any list rules, just an observation. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:34:46 -0500 "Brian K. White" <brian@aljex.com> wrote:
Instead you said "I just spent a lot of time hunting down those bugzillas because you didn't provide links to them like you should have"
It seems that above sentence contains basic problem and that is your interpretation of my message. It is simply: * Illustrate process to find bugs that have no links. In this particular case it was easy, but still few minutes. * In a process post links so that someone with knowledge can look at them. Only asking Martin to post the links would be simpler for me, but also slower for him. * Explain Martin and every other reader, that it is not mandatory, it is just about improving chances to get someone to work on bugs, and it is not about him, but everyone underestimating effects of such little help. (This is still off topic Brian and with this explanation I will conclude this.) -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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