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[opensuse] Tumbleweed updated - lilo was deleted, system not longer boots

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Per Jessen

7 Aug 2020 7 Aug '20

06:28

Why was lilo removed from Tumbleweed ? It is really annoying that someone is hellbent on screwing up my system. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Simon Lees

7 Aug 7 Aug

07:33

On 8/7/20 3:58 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Why was lilo removed from Tumbleweed ?

It is really annoying that someone is hellbent on screwing up my system.

At a guess because the old maintainer didn't want to maintain it anymore https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/811842 -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

Per Jessen

07:44

Simon Lees wrote:

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On 8/7/20 3:58 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Why was lilo removed from Tumbleweed ?

It is really annoying that someone is hellbent on screwing up my system.

At a guess because the old maintainer didn't want to maintain it anymore https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/811842

I have updated it in the past, but I guess I wasn't the maintainer. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.6°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

8 Aug 8 Aug

19:33

Per Jessen wrote:

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Simon Lees wrote:

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On 8/7/20 3:58 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Why was lilo removed from Tumbleweed ?

It is really annoying that someone is hellbent on screwing up my system.

At a guess because the old maintainer didn't want to maintain it anymore https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/811842

I have updated it in the past, but I guess I wasn't the maintainer.

Having raised two issues, one for Leap, one for Tumbleweed: bug#1173385 bug#1174984 it appears the package maintainer took it upon himself to remove the package, instead of giving it up for adoption. I think this is an outright failure of our do-ocracy. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Howorth

21:46

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:33:02 +0200 Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Simon Lees wrote:

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On 8/7/20 3:58 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Why was lilo removed from Tumbleweed ?

It is really annoying that someone is hellbent on screwing up my system.

At a guess because the old maintainer didn't want to maintain it anymore https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/811842

I have updated it in the past, but I guess I wasn't the maintainer.

Having raised two issues, one for Leap, one for Tumbleweed:

bug#1173385 bug#1174984

Why does anybody post just a bug number rather than a link? Sorry, Per, I just get annoyed every time somebody does this. :)

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it appears the package maintainer took it upon himself to remove the package, instead of giving it up for adoption. I think this is an outright failure of our do-ocracy.

Sounds like an outright failure of the policy manual and the software that enforces it. i.e. It should be policy that maintainers can't remove packages (that's a meta-admin function or so) so their options are reduced to saying that they're not able/willing to continue to maintain it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

9 Aug 9 Aug

16:36

Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:33:02 +0200 Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Simon Lees wrote:

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On 8/7/20 3:58 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Why was lilo removed from Tumbleweed ?

It is really annoying that someone is hellbent on screwing up my system.

At a guess because the old maintainer didn't want to maintain it anymore https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/811842

I have updated it in the past, but I guess I wasn't the maintainer.

Having raised two issues, one for Leap, one for Tumbleweed:

bug#1173385 bug#1174984

Why does anybody post just a bug number rather than a link? Sorry, Per, I just get annoyed every time somebody does this. :)

Fair enough - the shortcuts above work in bugzilla, it's probably muscle memory, but point taken.

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it appears the package maintainer took it upon himself to remove the package, instead of giving it up for adoption. I think this is an outright failure of our do-ocracy.

Sounds like an outright failure of the policy manual and the software that enforces it. i.e. It should be policy that maintainers can't remove packages (that's a meta-admin function or so) so their options are reduced to saying that they're not able/willing to continue to maintain it.

+1 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (30.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Howorth

19:10

On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 18:36:33 +0200 Per Jessen wrote:

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Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:33:02 +0200 Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Simon Lees wrote:

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On 8/7/20 3:58 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Why was lilo removed from Tumbleweed ?

It is really annoying that someone is hellbent on screwing up my system.

At a guess because the old maintainer didn't want to maintain it anymore https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/811842

I have updated it in the past, but I guess I wasn't the maintainer.

Having raised two issues, one for Leap, one for Tumbleweed:

bug#1173385 bug#1174984

Why does anybody post just a bug number rather than a link? Sorry, Per, I just get annoyed every time somebody does this. :)

Fair enough - the shortcuts above work in bugzilla, it's probably muscle memory, but point taken.

Well, first I have to think of something that FF will remember as a way to reach the bugzilla and execute it. Then I type bug#1173385 and it says "Zarro Boogs found." whatever that means. But it doesn't show a bug for sure. And the same for bug#1174984. This is https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=bug%231174984 FWIW.

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it appears the package maintainer took it upon himself to remove the package, instead of giving it up for adoption. I think this is an outright failure of our do-ocracy.

Sounds like an outright failure of the policy manual and the software that enforces it. i.e. It should be policy that maintainers can't remove packages (that's a meta-admin function or so) so their options are reduced to saying that they're not able/willing to continue to maintain it.

+1

:) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

19:34

On 09/08/2020 21.10, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 18:36:33 +0200 Per Jessen <> wrote:

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Dave Howorth wrote:

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Having raised two issues, one for Leap, one for Tumbleweed:

bug#1173385 bug#1174984

Why does anybody post just a bug number rather than a link? Sorry, Per, I just get annoyed every time somebody does this. :)

Fair enough - the shortcuts above work in bugzilla, it's probably muscle memory, but point taken.

Well, first I have to think of something that FF will remember as a way to reach the bugzilla and execute it. Then I type bug#1173385 and it says "Zarro Boogs found." whatever that means. But it doesn't show a bug for sure. And the same for bug#1174984. This is https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=bug%231174984 FWIW.

I take an existing open bug in my firefox, I have dozens to choose. I copy the url and paste it on a new tab, then I edit out the number part: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id= Then I add the new number: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173385 then I hit "enter" to display it. :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Dave Howorth

22:25

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 21:34:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 09/08/2020 21.10, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 18:36:33 +0200 Per Jessen <> wrote:

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Dave Howorth wrote:

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Having raised two issues, one for Leap, one for Tumbleweed:

bug#1173385 bug#1174984

Why does anybody post just a bug number rather than a link? Sorry, Per, I just get annoyed every time somebody does this. :)

Fair enough - the shortcuts above work in bugzilla, it's probably muscle memory, but point taken.

Well, first I have to think of something that FF will remember as a way to reach the bugzilla and execute it. Then I type bug#1173385 and it says "Zarro Boogs found." whatever that means. But it doesn't show a bug for sure. And the same for bug#1174984. This is https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=bug%231174984 FWIW.

I take an existing open bug in my firefox, I have dozens to choose.

I don't have any bugs open usually.

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I copy the url and paste it on a new tab, then I edit out the number part:

https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=

Then I add the new number:

https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173385

then I hit "enter" to display it.

:-)

OK, some complicated procedure with complicated preconditions works for you :) But why does searching fail, when Per says the shortcuts work? And what's wrong with posting working URLS in any case!!! :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

10 Aug 10 Aug

00:07

Dave Howorth composed on 2020-08-09 18:25 (UTC-0400):

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bug#1173385 bug#1174984

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But why does searching fail, when Per says the shortcuts work?

Put just the numerical digits in the search box and the desired resulting URL will open. Within BZ itself, #1173385 within any comment will be linkified to the proper URL.

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And what's wrong with posting working URLS in any case!!! :)

Much too much trouble obviously. :P -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Simon Lees

11:58

On 8/9/20 7:16 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Sounds like an outright failure of the policy manual and the software that enforces it. i.e. It should be policy that maintainers can't remove packages (that's a meta-admin function or so) so their options are reduced to saying that they're not able/willing to continue to maintain it.

Maintainers can't remove packages on there own, they need to create a delete request which is reviewed by someone on the release team, in this case they agreed with the maintainer. It is also pretty easy to undelete a package if a new maintainer is found. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

Carlos E. R.

12:10

On 10/08/2020 02.07, Felix Miata wrote:

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Dave Howorth composed on 2020-08-09 18:25 (UTC-0400):

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> bug#1173385 > bug#1174984

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But why does searching fail, when Per says the shortcuts work?

Because it is not search that does it.

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Put just the numerical digits in the search box and the desired resulting URL will open.

Right.

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Within BZ itself, #1173385 within any comment will be linkified to the proper URL.

Right.

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And what's wrong with posting working URLS in any case!!! :)

Much too much trouble obviously. :P

It is easier to find in the active the "bug#1173385" string, and clicking there it works, inside Bugzilla. If one is aware of the problem, then one looks to find the URL instead. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Dave Howorth

13:47

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 21:28:08 +0930 Simon Lees wrote:

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On 8/9/20 7:16 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Sounds like an outright failure of the policy manual and the software that enforces it. i.e. It should be policy that maintainers can't remove packages (that's a meta-admin function or so) so their options are reduced to saying that they're not able/willing to continue to maintain it.

Maintainers can't remove packages on there own, they need to create a delete request which is reviewed by someone on the release team, in this case they agreed with the maintainer. It is also pretty easy to undelete a package if a new maintainer is found.

Right, but that still results in the package being deleted with a negative impact on users. Given the existing process you have described it should be a rule that the reviewer must refuse a request for deletion unless the requester can demonstrate that an attempt has been made to find a new maintainer. But a better idea IMHO would be to change the process so that workflow occurred automatically. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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