New subject: [opensuse] Re: 11.2_update & now: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8)

2 Nov 2010

      Patrick Shanahan wrote:
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* Linda Walsh  [11-01-10 19:44]:
Please, set your mail client to respond to the list.  I read the list, is
where I saw your question.  I *really* have NO need for duplicate emails.
Your attention to this will be appreciated.
tks,
Greg Freemyer wrote (to someone else having similar distress)
fyi: some of the opensuse developer / project lists are being opened
up to allow non-subscriber posts.  The advantage is that if a topic
comes up that needs the input of a non-subscriber, then they can just
be added to the cc: line.
The trouble is that for those lists reply-all needs to become the norm
for the to actually work correctly.
I'm a proponent of the change, but I doubt it will make its way to the
end-user lists like this one anytime soon.
fyi: This is how the LKML lists have been for years and I think other
developer lists are similar, so many developers are used to that
behavior.  On high volume mailing lists it also allows filters to be
setup to flag emails addressed to the subscriber as opposed to just
another list email.
Greg
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What I find interesting is how someone takes the time to send an extra response, just about this topic.  If they were going to actually continue the conversation, they could politely mention their preferences in their next response to the main chain as an addendum.  

But for people to go out of their way to make a point that has nothing to do with the topic is ridiculous, since if they aren't going to contribute any further to whatever is being discussed, then it's likely their wish would be granted by default.

However, it appears that people who aren't contributing further, but simply want to make a point about their personal preferences and have a believe that they are important enough to have their personal preferences remembered (along with millions of other, naive internet users who expect everyone around them to remember and accommodate their wishes.  

Certainly it's far easier to filter out a redundant message than it is to read a message that you never receive.  That's what sometimes happens to me -- people expect that I'll pay attention to a message that isn't addressed to me, but is sent to a group mailing list.  I *may* see the message, but if I am busy, I may forget to look in the specific 'per-group' folder.  If I do remember, by the time I do, it might be weeks later.

Certainly, if I am speaking to someone, it makes more sense, in the general case, to make sure I direct my message to that person, and Cc: the wider audience so that others may chime in.  

The fact that some people are bothered by getting 2 messages only shows a lack of organization on their part.  If/When I get two responses, my email filters look to see if the message was sent directly to me (vs. being sent through a mailer), and if so, puts it in my personal inbox.  The one that some might call a duplicate (or the other way around), goes into a group-specific mailbox where I store only the messages for that group -- allowing me to only look at and read opensuse messages when I open my opensuse box.

So I'd suggest to those who are upset by people who take a common sense toward email by sending email to the one spoken to (by default, modified by random chance remembering of their personal preferences) and filter out the copy they don't want.  If they don't want to dedicate a mail folder for opensuse, but have small enough volume to have all email go into one Inbox, then they could have their mail processing software compare mail-user ID's and throw away duplicates.

At least that would seem to be the most sensible approach, rather than expecting everyone to remember your personal preferences...

*cheers*
:-)
linda

to remember their personal preferences remembered. when it's likely that not even their name will be remembered the day after tomorrow.

are really showing everyone their excessive egocentricity's level of intolerance and/or immaturity -- as though they believe that they are important enough to have their personal preferences memorized by everyone else --
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Re: [opensuse] Re: 11.2_update & now: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8)

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