Solaris Operating System runs Linux applications easily
Hi, Folks here might find this development interesting: http://www.sun.com/2004-0803/feature/ "A new feature of the Solaris 10 Operating System lets you run Linux applications, unchanged, on their own or side by side with Solaris applications. "3.Aug.04--Customers who want the stability and security of the Solaris Operating System and the flexibility to also use Linux applications won't have to wait much longer. The forthcoming Solaris 10 Operating System (OS) will include a remarkable new feature that allows customers to run Linux applications unchanged on the Solaris OS. "By enabling this functionality, code-named Project Janus, administrators can create an environment for running a range of Linux applications at near-native speeds. Sun is offering Project Janus as an optional kernel service of the Solaris OS, enabling administrators to run Linux applications in a new and unique way on x86 platforms. In keeping with Sun's long-standing support of industry standards, Project Janus is designed for compliance with the Linux Standard Base specification. "Not only is Sun providing leading Linux compatibility, it's at no extra charge. Project Janus functionality is included in the Solaris 10 Operating System license price, and it is designed for 100 percent compatibility with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3. The technology includes installation tools to easily activate the feature of the Solaris 10 OS. ..." Randall Schulz
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hi,
Folks here might find this development interesting:
http://www.sun.com/2004-0803/feature/
"A new feature of the Solaris 10 Operating System lets you run Linux applications, unchanged, on their own or side by side with Solaris applications.
"3.Aug.04--Customers who want the stability and security of the Solaris Operating System and the flexibility to also use Linux applications won't have to wait much longer. The forthcoming Solaris 10 Operating System (OS) will include a remarkable new feature that allows customers to run Linux applications unchanged on the Solaris OS.
"By enabling this functionality, code-named Project Janus, administrators can create an environment for running a range of Linux applications at near-native speeds. Sun is offering Project Janus as an optional kernel service of the Solaris OS, enabling administrators to run Linux applications in a new and unique way on x86 platforms. In keeping with Sun's long-standing support of industry standards, Project Janus is designed for compliance with the Linux Standard Base specification.
"Not only is Sun providing leading Linux compatibility, it's at no extra charge. Project Janus functionality is included in the Solaris 10 Operating System license price, and it is designed for 100 percent compatibility with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3. The technology includes installation tools to easily activate the feature of the Solaris 10 OS.
..."
Randall Schulz
I'm on Sun's mailing list and I read on to see what exactly they offer, just x86, not SPARC. They have always been cagey about Linux anyway near SPARC. I can't see what it's buying them. I'd be tempted if it were offered on SPARC. On x86 it's not likely to tempt many away from Linux, the ISV's are porting strongly to Linux and not to Solaris x86, so I don't see why anyone would buy a Sun Solaris x86 box to then run a host of Linux apps. Sun's confused plans are in the hope that at some stage they can take Solaris to where it overtakes Linux, using Linux to assist them in that pursuit. Linux has Sun in a real bind. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
The Friday 2004-08-06 at 10:27 +0100, Sid Boyce wrote:
I'm on Sun's mailing list and I read on to see what exactly they offer, just x86, not SPARC. They have always been cagey about Linux anyway near SPARC. I can't see what it's buying them. I'd be tempted if it were offered on SPARC. On x86 it's not likely to tempt many away from Linux, the ISV's are porting strongly to Linux and not to Solaris x86, so I don't see why anyone would buy a Sun Solaris x86 box to then run a host of Linux apps. Sun's confused plans are in the hope that at some stage they can take Solaris to where it overtakes Linux, using Linux to assist them in that pursuit. Linux has Sun in a real bind.
The idea, I guess, would not be luring Linux users into Sun, but stopping Sun users from jumping ship because the want some Linux app. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2004-08-06 at 10:27 +0100, Sid Boyce wrote:
I'm on Sun's mailing list and I read on to see what exactly they offer, just x86, not SPARC. They have always been cagey about Linux anyway near SPARC. I can't see what it's buying them. I'd be tempted if it were offered on SPARC. On x86 it's not likely to tempt many away from Linux, the ISV's are porting strongly to Linux and not to Solaris x86, so I don't see why anyone would buy a Sun Solaris x86 box to then run a host of Linux apps. Sun's confused plans are in the hope that at some stage they can take Solaris to where it overtakes Linux, using Linux to assist them in that pursuit. Linux has Sun in a real bind.
The idea, I guess, would not be luring Linux users into Sun, but stopping Sun users from jumping ship because the want some Linux app.
For just one or two Linux apps perhaps, but if the need extends further, all the more reason to jump. Quoting Anders (or misquoting more likely), Wine and Crossover Office are just what causes people to abandon Windows. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Sunday 08 August 2004 07:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The idea, I guess, would not be luring Linux users into Sun, but stopping Sun users from jumping ship because the want some Linux app.
I'm not so sure about that...certainly there might be some elements of management that may perceive that as happening, but personally I think they know there's a huge install base of Solaris users out there that aren't going anywhere(the cost to switch). IMHO this is something to help them get more use out of something they can't dump easily, and probably didn't cost a *lot* of money to implement. I see it as a service to their existing customers, and not as something primarily to lure users away/towards Linux or Solaris. Of course, I've been wrong overestimating the intelligence of management before...;) Cheers, J.C. -- John Coldrick www.axyzfx.com Axyz Animation Houdini/Renderman/Discreet 425 Adelaide St W 416-504-0425 Toronto, ON Canada jc@axyzfx.com M5V 1S4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ah say, son, you're about as sharp as a bowlin' ball.
John Coldrick wrote:
On Sunday 08 August 2004 07:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The idea, I guess, would not be luring Linux users into Sun, but stopping Sun users from jumping ship because the want some Linux app.
I'm not so sure about that...certainly there might be some elements of management that may perceive that as happening, but personally I think they know there's a huge install base of Solaris users out there that aren't going anywhere(the cost to switch). IMHO this is something to help them get more use out of something they can't dump easily, and probably didn't cost a *lot* of money to implement. I see it as a service to their existing customers, and not as something primarily to lure users away/towards Linux or Solaris.
Of course, I've been wrong overestimating the intelligence of management before...;)
Cheers,
J.C.
Lock-ins are not what they used to be. I know of some shops that have mixed Linux and Solaris boxes installed. One customer said he was getting rid of his Sun servers, so curiously I asked him what they were moving to - thinking possibly Windows, then they said Linux/Oracle, replacing an E10K, E6500 and a bunch of smaller servers. Whereas IBM early on decided that a sale of AIX, a mainframe or a sale of Linux was a sale of an IBM box running whatever software the customer fancied, Sun insisted on plying only Solaris on SPARC . In many customers' minds, Sun-SPARC-Solaris is Sun's server business model and they have reacted not too convincingly only after that model seemed to have failed. I doubt they are fatally wounded and they may yet come back strongly with a more coherent strategy. Sun's product offerings have always been a hotch-potch of hardware, but with one core and that was Solaris. The way they are using Linux still lacks conviction. Currently there are not any tea leaves to read, Sun's cup only has coffee stains. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Thursday 05 Aug 2004 20:36, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hi,
Folks here might find this development interesting:
http://www.sun.com/2004-0803/feature/
"A new feature of the Solaris 10 Operating System lets you run Linux applications, unchanged, on their own or side by side with Solaris applications.
"3.Aug.04--Customers who want the stability and security of the Solaris Operating System and the flexibility to also use Linux applications won't have to wait much longer. The forthcoming Solaris 10 Operating System (OS) will include a remarkable new feature that allows customers to run Linux applications unchanged on the Solaris OS.
"By enabling this functionality, code-named Project Janus, administrators can create an environment for running a range of Linux applications at near-native speeds. Sun is offering Project Janus as an optional kernel service of the Solaris OS, enabling administrators to run Linux applications in a new and unique way on x86 platforms. In keeping with Sun's long-standing support of industry standards, Project Janus is designed for compliance with the Linux Standard Base specification.
"Not only is Sun providing leading Linux compatibility, it's at no extra charge. Project Janus functionality is included in the Solaris 10 Operating System license price, and it is designed for 100 percent compatibility with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3. The technology includes installation tools to easily activate the feature of the Solaris 10 OS.
..."
Randall Schulz
Sun must be getting seriousley worried about Linux either that or it´s there back door way of CANNING Solaris and Switching to Linux .. Pete . -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan PGN
On Friday 06 August 2004 17:49, peter Nikolic wrote:
Hi,
Folks here might find this development interesting:
http://www.sun.com/2004-0803/feature/
"A new feature of the Solaris 10 Operating System lets you run Linux applications, unchanged, on their own or side by side with Solaris applications. <snip> Sun must be getting seriousley worried about Linux either that or it´s
On Thursday 05 Aug 2004 20:36, Randall R Schulz wrote: there back door way of CANNING Solaris and Switching to Linux ..
You mean like wine is a way to get people to can linux and switch to windows? Anyway, this isn't exactly new. People have been able to run linux software in solaris for aeons. The only new part here is that they moved it into the kernel to get a little extra speed
Anders Johansson wrote:
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Sun must be getting seriousley worried about Linux either that or it´s there back door way of CANNING Solaris and Switching to Linux ..
You mean like wine is a way to get people to can linux and switch to windows?
An excellent analogy. Perhaps they have some King Canute figure who has worked out the logic.
Anyway, this isn't exactly new. People have been able to run linux software in solaris for aeons. The only new part here is that they moved it into the kernel to get a little extra speed
You mean "lxrun", again only worked for x86 and not SPARC, seems like it's the hot iron to melt down Solaris further. Time is not on Sun's side, they still sell masses of boxes compared to many other manufacturers, but I have a feeling that won't last and it shows in their margins. There is one little Linux rack in a sea of Solaris boxes in a large computer room that they reckon benchmarks on their work as 4,000 times faster than a Sun E15K, made me proud to walk past it on my way to installing over 200 Solaris boxes - smallish - with Linux-skeptical colleagues, see http://linuxtoday.com/high_performance/2003050701526NWHESV. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Friday 06 August 2004 8:49 am, peter Nikolic wrote:
Sun must be getting seriousley worried about Linux either that or it´s there back door way of CANNING Solaris and Switching to Linux ..
Pete .
I think Sun's getting nervous about IBM and Dell selling Linux....not so much Linux by itself. If you can have a one-size-fits-all product, they might be able to retain customers. -- Tom Nielsen Neuro Logic Systems, Inc. 1.805.389.5435 x18 www.neuro-logic.com
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