[opensuse] printer recommendation
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri 17 Apr 2015 02:42:09 PM CDT, buhorojo wrote:
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
Hi I have a HP LaserJet Pro P1102w (wireless) works a treat in openSUSE, SLE, android, iphone etc. Initial setup was easy via the web interface (gave it a dhcp address, then set to static). Then ensure cups service is running, install hplip, run hp-setup download plugin and done. -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° LFCS, SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 12 GNOME 3.10.1 Kernel 3.12.39-47-default up 3 days 16:06, 4 users, load average: 0.67, 0.42, 0.39 CPU AMD A4-5150M APU @ 3.3GHz | GPU Richland Radeon HD 8350G -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 17/04/2015 14:42, buhorojo a écrit :
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
most HP and Brother wireless printers works perfectly, for example the N&B laser Brother DCP-7055w I have near my desk... jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Pá 17. dubna 2015 15:02:19, jdd napsal(a):
Le 17/04/2015 14:42, buhorojo a écrit :
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
most HP and Brother wireless printers works perfectly, for example the N&B laser Brother DCP-7055w I have near my desk...
We have in an office Brother DCP-7065. It has LAN connection, scanner, BW printer. It works perfectly in Linux (there are drivers on Brother's web), Windows as well as Mac. There are also models from same line equipped by Wi-Fi and/or color laser printer. From our experience, I can recommend it. Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On 04/17/2015 08:42 AM, buhorojo wrote:
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on.
Makes perfect sense.
Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
Unless you have network connection (cable) where the printer will be it does not need to be wireless. I have two printers connected to my home lan via cable and can print just fine with my wireless devices. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* buhorojo <buhorojo.lcb@gmail.com> [04-17-15 08:43]:
13.2 We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup?
I am having good luck with hp8600 series printers wireless and wired on a mix of linux and windows systems. Using hplip on the openSUSE systems. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [04-17-15 09:29]:
* buhorojo <buhorojo.lcb@gmail.com> [04-17-15 08:43]:
13.2 We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup?
I am having good luck with hp8600 series printers wireless and wired on a mix of linux and windows systems. Using hplip on the openSUSE systems.
Note that these are networked printers, ie: have local ip addresses. That way only computer which needs to be powered is the one initiating the print. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2015-04-17 at 14:42 +0200, buhorojo wrote:
13.2 We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks,
Brother MFC-9940. Works perfectly. -- Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 14:42:09 +0200 buhorojo buhorojo wrote:
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
Our Epson XP-310 connects via built-in wireless to our router and it works great across all our computers and devices in both printing and scanning modes. Here's a writeup I created for 12.3 right after purchasing it, but the same instructions worked great after I installed 13.2: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2014-04/msg00586.html regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:42 AM, buhorojo <buhorojo.lcb@gmail.com> wrote:
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
I'm not sure it handles everything you said, but I bought a Xerox Phaser 6500N (color laser network printer) a couple months ago for $165 from Costco. It is wired only, but I put a $35 media bridge in front of it so laptops etc could use it directly over the wireless. I haven't tried from phones. It is unbelievably good for the price. I've already run about 3000 pages of printing through it. I've had 2 paper jams and I've had to replace the black toner. $100 for a genuine xerox black toner, but I got one from LD (via Amazon) for $20. No noticeable degradation in print quality, but it voids the warranty. I did have to make a warranty claim because a solenoid failed about 30 days in. They actually sent out an onsite repair person to replace the solenoid the next day. No cost to me. The solenoid was deep in the printer so it took him about an hour to replace it. fyi: I bought the Xerox because the Canon MX922 I already had was simply not reliable. Print jobs would get stuck in client PCs and sometimes the only fix was to reboot the client PC. Nothing like that has happened in 2 months of use of Phaser. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 17/04/2015 17:00, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
haven't tried from phones.
phones use proprietary applications from the store. I have the Hp and the Brother ones, I guess it's easy to see if there is one fr you jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/17/2015 11:08 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 17/04/2015 17:00, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
haven't tried from phones.
phones use proprietary applications from the store. I have the Hp and the Brother ones, I guess it's easy to see if there is one fr you
jdd
I think the printer only need support bonjour protocol for phone printing, at lease that is how it works with my Iphone and Ipad. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/17/2015 12:22 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 04/17/2015 11:08 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 17/04/2015 17:00, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
haven't tried from phones.
phones use proprietary applications from the store. I have the Hp and the Brother ones, I guess it's easy to see if there is one fr you
jdd
I think the printer only need support bonjour protocol for phone printing, at lease that is how it works with my Iphone and Ipad.
Yeah, but that's because they are Apple devices. (not the printers, but the tablet and phones) The only time you need bonjour is when you are using Apple senders. Everybody else uses jet-direct, IPP, or similar protocol over standard TCP/IP. I refuse to allow a bonjour stack on any of my linux machines. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2015-04-17 at 12:50 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
On 04/17/2015 12:22 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote: Yeah, but that's because they are Apple devices. (not the printers, but the tablet and phones) The only time you need bonjour is when you are using Apple senders.
This is an overstatement. Bonjour is now Zeroconf and is supported by most devices, including LINUX, via Avahi.
Everybody else uses jet-direct, IPP, or similar protocol over standard TCP/IP. I refuse to allow a bonjour stack on any of my linux machines.
I believe IPP is long standardized solution which is supported by next to nobody; at least IPP broadcast and queue enumeration. -- Adam Tauno Williams <mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org> GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/17/2015 05:37 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Fri, 2015-04-17 at 12:50 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
On 04/17/2015 12:22 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote: Yeah, but that's because they are Apple devices. (not the printers, but the tablet and phones) The only time you need bonjour is when you are using Apple senders. This is an overstatement. Bonjour is now Zeroconf and is supported by most devices, including LINUX, via Avahi.
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs. I have used the following custom service script for the past couple of years to enable printing from both Android and Apple tablets and phones. You need only edit the file and add your IP and printer share name. The service file should be place in /etc/avahi/services/YourPrinterShareName.service. Example for my LJ4200: $ cat /etc/avahi/services/LaserJet.service <?xml version="1.0" standalone='no'?><!--*-nxml-*--> <!DOCTYPE service-group SYSTEM "avahi-service.dtd"> <service-group> <name>LaserJet</name> <service> <type>_ipp._tcp</type> <subtype>_universal._sub._ipp._tcp</subtype> <port>631</port> <txt-record>txtver=1</txt-record> <txt-record>qtotal=1</txt-record> <txt-record>rp=printers/LaserJet</txt-record> <txt-record>ty=LaserJet</txt-record> <txt-record>adminurl=http://198.168.6.17:631/printers/LaserJet</txt-record> <txt-record>note=Home Office Laserjet 4200</txt-record> <txt-record>priority=0</txt-record> <txt-record>product=virtual Printer</txt-record> <txt-record>printer-state=3</txt-record> <txt-record>printer-type=0x801046</txt-record> <txt-record>Transparent=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Binary=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Fax=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Color=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Duplex=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Staple=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Copies=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Collate=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Punch=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Bind=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Sort=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Scan=F</txt-record> <txt-record>pdl=application/octet-stream,application/pdf,application/postscript,image/jpeg,image/png,image/urf</txt-record> <txt-record>URF=W8,SRGB24,CP1,RS600</txt-record> </service> </service-group> I'm sure I will need to update it at some point, but for now it still works fine. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.
Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up: Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions? Thanks, B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:
On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.
Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:
Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge
HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set
Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?
Thanks, B
I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer. It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:
On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.
Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:
Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge
HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set
Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?
Thanks, B
I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.
It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.
Peter Hi Thanks. There seem to be two drivers in Yast: HP Envy 4500 Series hpijs, 3.14.6 HP Envy 4500 Series, hpcups 3.14.6 I'm not sure how to change from one to the other. Maybe this will give
On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote: the different resolutions? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/04/15 22:50, buhorojo wrote:
On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:
On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.
Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:
Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge
HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set
Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?
Thanks, B
I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.
It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.
Peter Hi Thanks. There seem to be two drivers in Yast: HP Envy 4500 Series hpijs, 3.14.6 HP Envy 4500 Series, hpcups 3.14.6 I'm not sure how to change from one to the other. Maybe this will give
On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote: the different resolutions?
You want the cups one most probably. hpijs is only for basic functionality. I'm not sure however that Envy 4500 is the same type as my own, which is an all-in-one multifunction. Sometimes YaST shows a driver already but which isn't fully configured. Either add a new printer and then delete the old one, or edit the existing one taking account of all options, some of them obscurely located in advanced settings or tabs. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/04/15 22:55, Peter wrote:
On 27/04/15 22:50, buhorojo wrote:
On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:
On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.
Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:
Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge
HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set
Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?
Thanks, B
I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.
It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.
Peter Hi Thanks. There seem to be two drivers in Yast: HP Envy 4500 Series hpijs, 3.14.6 HP Envy 4500 Series, hpcups 3.14.6 I'm not sure how to change from one to the other. Maybe this will give
On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote: the different resolutions?
You want the cups one most probably. hpijs is only for basic functionality. I'm not sure however that Envy 4500 is the same type as my own, which is an all-in-one multifunction. Sometimes YaST shows a driver already but which isn't fully configured. Either add a new printer and then delete the old one, or edit the existing one taking account of all options, some of them obscurely located in advanced settings or tabs.
Peter Hi OK, it looks like no way the epson is going to do wifi, so I'll concentrate on the HP, which does better photos anyway.
Mmm, it's certainly not intuitive. I've now tried hpcups and hpijs (I think), but it still only prints at low resolution. I wonder if I need to reboot the laptop or restart something after I've changed from one to the other? Do we have anything other than Yast to set up a printer? The only way I've found so far is to send to Drive and print from 'phone where I can choose exactly what I want. Maybe that's what intended these days anyway. I've all but given up on Yast. The ePrint thing maybe what I need, but all te HP site says that I need to email the document to the printer. That's more trouble than via the 'phone. And how do I get an e-mail address for a printer? Anyway, not given up yet... Thanks everyone for their help. B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On April 27, 2015 11:04:29 PM PDT, buhorojo <buhorojo.lcb@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/04/15 22:50, buhorojo wrote:
On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote:
On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:
On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.
Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to
On 27/04/15 22:55, Peter wrote: their
boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:
Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge
HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set
Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?
Thanks, B
I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.
It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.
Peter Hi Thanks. There seem to be two drivers in Yast: HP Envy 4500 Series hpijs, 3.14.6 HP Envy 4500 Series, hpcups 3.14.6 I'm not sure how to change from one to the other. Maybe this will give the different resolutions?
You want the cups one most probably. hpijs is only for basic functionality. I'm not sure however that Envy 4500 is the same type as my own, which is an all-in-one multifunction. Sometimes YaST shows a driver already but which isn't fully configured. Either add a new printer and then delete the old one, or edit the existing one taking account of all options, some of them obscurely located in advanced settings or tabs.
Peter Hi OK, it looks like no way the epson is going to do wifi, so I'll concentrate on the HP, which does better photos anyway.
Mmm, it's certainly not intuitive. I've now tried hpcups and hpijs (I think), but it still only prints at low resolution. I wonder if I need to reboot the laptop or restart something after I've changed from one to the other? Do we have anything other than Yast to set up a printer?
The only way I've found so far is to send to Drive and print from 'phone where I can choose exactly what I want. Maybe that's what intended these days anyway.
I've all but given up on Yast. The ePrint thing maybe what I need, but all te HP site says that I need to email the document to the printer. That's more trouble than via the 'phone. And how do I get an e-mail address for a printer? Anyway, not given up yet...
Thanks everyone for their help. B
No you don't have to mail the document to the printer. You can do that, but itd not necessary. You just "share" the document with your printing software and it will send it to your printer. Ask any high school kid. They'll show you the ropes. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Hi Thanks. There seem to be two drivers in Yast: HP Envy 4500 Series hpijs, 3.14.6 HP Envy 4500 Series, hpcups 3.14.6 I'm not sure how to change from one to the other. Maybe this will give the different resolutions
I do it by defining in YaST two or more "printers", each one with a different driver. And I give them a name that reflects this: cer@minas-tirith:~> lpstat -a cp1510n_ps accepting requests since 2015-04-01T20:17:57 CEST cp1515n_hpijs accepting requests since 2010-03-09T21:32:13 CET cp1515n_pcl3 accepting requests since 2010-03-09T21:43:17 CET The postscript one is the best, normally, if the printer talks postscript. However, sometimes it runs out of memory or something and I have to use one of the other two. In my case, the three drivers allow the same resolution. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlU+vCUACgkQja8UbcUWM1y9vQD7BNUzEWJ2q+pKdp2zSvveLY/O 79tW1+AJG+e5WFJyLWMA/ix+5wygl9fCU4D4/rZHFHceSlaSyt9YYAiqcHfWI+Jh =+hj8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote:
On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:
On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.
Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:
Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge
HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set
Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?
Thanks, B
I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.
It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.
Peter
Hi. Just had a look. No, it's not the same series. Just thinking out loud: After a lot of trial and error I found the alternative hp-setup in Yast. This gives the option of mDNS/bonjour which seems to be responsible for giving me the wifi connection. Is there anything similar for the epson? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/04/15 23:11, buhorojo wrote:
On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote:
On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:
On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.
Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:
Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge
HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set
Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?
Thanks, B
I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.
It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.
Peter
Hi. Just had a look. No, it's not the same series. Just thinking out loud: After a lot of trial and error I found the alternative hp-setup in Yast. This gives the option of mDNS/bonjour which seems to be responsible for giving me the wifi connection. Is there anything similar for the epson?
I only know that I set up the wireless by running hp-toolbox, and choosing the option from the main menu of icons there. I did it more than once from more than one machine, having fiddled with my static address settings on the router, and in at least one case the process wasn't entirely smooth. Once configured in YaST or via the hp-toolbox, you can visit localhost:631 in a browser to explore the CUPS options. They're not always totally obvious to navigate either. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/04/15 15:43, Peter wrote:
On 27/04/15 23:11, buhorojo wrote:
On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote:
On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:
On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.
Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:
Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge
HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set
Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?
Thanks, B
I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.
It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.
Peter
Hi. Just had a look. No, it's not the same series. Just thinking out loud: After a lot of trial and error I found the alternative hp-setup in Yast. This gives the option of mDNS/bonjour which seems to be responsible for giving me the wifi connection. Is there anything similar for the epson?
I only know that I set up the wireless by running hp-toolbox, and choosing the option from the main menu of icons there. I did it more than once from more than one machine, having fiddled with my static address settings on the router, and in at least one case the process wasn't entirely smooth.
Once configured in YaST or via the hp-toolbox, you can visit localhost:631 in a browser to explore the CUPS options. They're not always totally obvious to navigate either.
Peter
Hi I'm getting nowhere. Deciphering 631 via Google, I got the cups set up, but this gives me the same options as Yast doesn't it? At least I can't see anything different. Still the same low res printout no matter what resolution I choose, and it makes an awful noise from my laptop. From my bog standard motorola-e with the hp app it's quiet, doesn't produce 'bands' of different intensities and I can choose whatever resolution I like. Do we have anything like that app? I'm revisiting Linux after a year or so. There doesn't seem to have been any progress with printing at all. Maybe it's just bad luck and I've chosen the wrong printers to try. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-28 22:29, buhorojo wrote: You can check if your printer is supported in Linux here: http://www.openprinting.org/printers Another resource is http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting
Hi I'm getting nowhere. Deciphering 631 via Google, I got the cups set up, but this gives me the same options as Yast doesn't it?
Similar, but not the same. CUPS has more options.
Maybe it's just bad luck and I've chosen the wrong printers to try.
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On 2015-04-28 22:29, buhorojo wrote:
You can check if your printer is supported in Linux here:
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
Another resource is http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting Hi I don't think they are up to date. This is why I bothered in the first place. The 'Suse' listing for this HP printer has everything I want: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/other/envy_4500_series.html
Hi I'm getting nowhere. Deciphering 631 via Google, I got the cups set up, but this gives me the same options as Yast doesn't it? Similar, but not the same. CUPS has more options.
Maybe it's just bad luck and I've chosen the wrong printers to try. With Linux you have to shop carefully. Well, I just want a printer to do what it says on the tin. Like with a 'phone. It seems that this is not possible with Linux. The Yast setup is
On 29/04/15 01:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: like one of those old efforts from the 90's. You have to be an expert to even understand the wording! Anyway, thanks. Your last line says it all;)
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-29 08:07, buhorojo wrote:
On 29/04/15 01:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi I don't think they are up to date.
Well, the "envy" are not even listed.
This is why I bothered in the first place. The 'Suse' listing for this HP printer has everything I want: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/other/envy_4500_series.html
Apparently
you need hplip 3.13.6. I see that my 13.1 has 3.13.10, so it should support it.
Maybe it's just bad luck and I've chosen the wrong printers to
try. With Linux you have to shop carefully.
Well, I just want a printer to do what it says on the tin. Like with a 'phone. It seems that this is not possible with Linux. The Yast setup is like one of those old efforts from the 90's. You have to be an expert to even understand the wording!
Dunno, I have always found it easy.
Anyway, thanks. Your last line says it all;)
Welcome. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVA5T8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1yaNgEAgV0k70kzW1b9kBLTt+DQwbql UVtPQoEoR7Q9sAw1PagA/1gsJlYpcM7d/ae3o94dAlNE/QoF2PHkd/adMqiCc5hf =WSb9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/29/2015 07:05 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-04-29 08:07, buhorojo wrote:
On 29/04/15 01:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi I don't think they are up to date.
Well, the "envy" are not even listed.
This is why I bothered in the first place. The 'Suse' listing for this HP printer has everything I want: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/other/envy_4500_series.html
Apparently
you need hplip 3.13.6. I see that my 13.1 has 3.13.10, so it should support it.
New version of HPLIP-3.15.4 is available for upgrade direct from the HPLIP website. See http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/novell.html Note that regardless of how up to date the Opensuse versions appear they always seem crippled. Often they won't do two sided printing or won't read status of toner/ink or they won't do scanning from all-in-one models. I don't know if this is some limitation imposed by HP or some patent wariness on Opensuse's part, or incompatibility with cups. I've learned never to use the OS packages and install from the above. The sequence of commands they offer there seemed to work perfectly. Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way to go. - -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlVBGqkACgkQv7M3G5+2DLJyxQCfS5KUhHS09kBsQ4ooghXNms7Q gHcAoIXujgcWIU6DJWFp+hDuRgPFgrLk =68WK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-29 19:53, John Andersen wrote:
Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way to go.
Ah, that's an important detail. I use mine only via cups, with the os version of hplip, and I'm happy. My printer works fine even without hplip installed. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVBJ7QACgkQja8UbcUWM1wnFAD9H46hBNVYC+26jIUUAML14Mp7 GWco5I7DPZXN9M4Rx1ABAIOdx1hEsysL3WRpz8rPLFQ0JPB0ethEeGlAP8rV1xND =A6kH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/04/15 20:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-04-29 19:53, John Andersen wrote:
Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way to go. Ah, that's an important detail.
I use mine only via cups, with the os version of hplip, and I'm happy. My printer works fine even without hplip installed.
Maybe I'm expecting too much. I have to give the (borrowed) printers back tomorrow and I feel it only right I replace the ink I've wasted. This has been an expensive trial. I could have bought the HP for what I'm paying for the ink. No one has mentioned the epson so I'm guessing that's a even more of non stater with linux. I'm really pleased with the quality of eprint on the HP. I suppose the next step is to buy one, stick with printing from the 'phone and maybe one day get the courage to compile the hpip driver thing. Anyway... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/04/15 20:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-04-29 19:53, John Andersen wrote:
Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way to go. Ah, that's an important detail.
I use mine only via cups, with the os version of hplip, and I'm happy. My printer works fine even without hplip installed.
Maybe I'm expecting too much. I have to give the (borrowed) printers back tomorrow and I feel it only right I replace the ink I've wasted. This has been an expensive trial. I could have bought the HP for what I'm paying for the ink. No one has mentioned the epson so I'm guessing that's a even more of non stater with linux. I'm really pleased with the quality of eprint on the HP. I suppose the next step is to buy one, stick with printing from the 'phone and maybe one day get the courage to compile the hpip driver thing. Anyway... I haven't been closely following this thread, but Epson has drivers for just about everything they make, not only for Windows, but for Linux. For example, I am using an Epson WP-4530 All-in One under PCLinuxOS and it works perfectly as a printer, but also as a scanner. (I don't FAX thru the computer, by choice. But FAX works
On 04/29/2015 04:46 PM, buhorojo wrote: perfectly well in both directions.) Epson colors are very good, but as you note, rather expensive. I doubt that inks for other vendors' printers are any cheaper--it's the name of the game: give away the razor, then live on the profits from selling blades. BTW: I suggest that you do NOT use ink refills from various non-manufacturers of the printer you buy. Some years ago I had to throw out a color printer after refilling the inks from some unknown vendor, and it clogged the heads, which could net be cleaned. I only had the printer for a few months, so it was an expensive lesson! I will mention that my son has an HP All-in-One, and it is very fast. He doesn't use Linux much, so I don't know how well it works with Linux, but I think HP also has drivers for just about any of their printers--check before you buy. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/04/15 00:30, Doug wrote:
On 29/04/15 20:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-04-29 19:53, John Andersen wrote:
Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way to go. Ah, that's an important detail.
I use mine only via cups, with the os version of hplip, and I'm happy. My printer works fine even without hplip installed.
Maybe I'm expecting too much. I have to give the (borrowed) printers back tomorrow and I feel it only right I replace the ink I've wasted. This has been an expensive trial. I could have bought the HP for what I'm paying for the ink. No one has mentioned the epson so I'm guessing that's a even more of non stater with linux. I'm really pleased with the quality of eprint on the HP. I suppose the next step is to buy one, stick with printing from the 'phone and maybe one day get the courage to compile the hpip driver thing. Anyway... I haven't been closely following this thread, but Epson has drivers for just about everything they make, not only for Windows, but for Linux. For example, I am using an Epson WP-4530 All-in One under PCLinuxOS and it works perfectly as a printer, but also as a scanner. (I don't FAX thru the computer, by choice. But FAX works
On 04/29/2015 04:46 PM, buhorojo wrote: perfectly well in both directions.) Epson colors are very good, but as you note, rather expensive. I doubt that inks for other vendors' printers are any cheaper--it's the name of the game: give away the razor, then live on the profits from selling blades.
BTW: I suggest that you do NOT use ink refills from various non-manufacturers of the printer you buy. Some years ago I had to throw out a color printer after refilling the inks from some unknown vendor, and it clogged the heads, which could net be cleaned. I only had the printer for a few months, so it was an expensive lesson!
Yes, that's a good point, I'd forgotten. I'm told that the problem with Epson is that you always use the same print nozzles. With HP, you get new nozzles each time you put in a new cartridge, because they are contained in the cartridge. Still ridiculously expensive blades of course.
I will mention that my son has an HP All-in-One, and it is very fast. He doesn't use Linux much, so I don't know how well it works with Linux, but I think HP also has drivers for just about any of their printers--check before you buy.
--doug
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On April 30, 2015 2:22:44 AM EDT, buhorojo <buhorojo.lcb@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30/04/15 00:30, Doug wrote:
On 04/29/2015 04:46 PM, buhorojo wrote:
On 29/04/15 20:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-04-29 19:53, John Andersen wrote:
Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way
to
go. Ah, that's an important detail.
I use mine only via cups, with the os version of hplip, and I'm happy. My printer works fine even without hplip installed.
Maybe I'm expecting too much. I have to give the (borrowed) printers
back tomorrow and I feel it only right I replace the ink I've wasted. This has been an expensive trial. I could have bought the HP for what I'm paying for the ink. No one has mentioned the epson so I'm guessing that's a even more of non stater with linux. I'm really pleased with the quality of eprint on the HP. I suppose the next step is to buy one, stick with printing from the 'phone and maybe one day
get the courage to compile the hpip driver thing. Anyway... I haven't been closely following this thread, but Epson has drivers for just about everything they make, not only for Windows, but for Linux. For example, I am using an Epson WP-4530 All-in One under PCLinuxOS and it works perfectly as a printer, but also as a scanner. (I don't FAX thru the computer, by choice. But FAX works perfectly well in both directions.) Epson colors are very good, but as you note, rather expensive. I doubt that inks for other vendors' printers are any cheaper--it's the name of the game: give away the razor, then live on the profits from selling blades.
BTW: I suggest that you do NOT use ink refills from various non-manufacturers of the printer you buy. Some years ago I had to throw out a color printer after refilling the inks from some unknown vendor, and it clogged the heads, which could net be cleaned.
I only had the printer for a few months, so it was an expensive lesson!
Yes, that's a good point, I'd forgotten. I'm told that the problem with
Epson is that you always use the same print nozzles. With HP, you get new nozzles each time you put in a new cartridge, because they are contained in the cartridge. Still ridiculously expensive blades of course.
If you're printing more than a couple thousand pages a year, I don't think a inkjet makes sense. Xerox color laser printers can be had new for under $200. http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Axerox%20phaser%20printer I got one a couple months ago. 3000 pages in. I've replaced 2 toner cartridges (black and cyan) About $20 each for the LD cartridges I'm buying. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005F0YDO4/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1430396494&sr=1&keywords=xerox+phaser+ld+toner With inkjet and OEM cartridges I probably would have spent $500 just for the ink to print 3000 pages. Greg -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/30/2015 08:27 AM, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:
If you're printing more than a couple thousand pages a year, I don't think a inkjet makes sense.
I'm not even sure that is the threshold with the prices of colour laserjets coming down. Given my experience with inkjets, the high cost of ink, the cleaning and clogging of nozzles, its too much! I agree with greg about the basic economics. Laserjets 'just work' without the ridiculous amount of effort inkjets take. I rarely need colour work; when i do I can take a hi-res image on a USB stick to a print shop, because I need hundreds. As it stands, my print needs are light. My office isn't quite paperless, my accountant wants hard copy of e-purchase receipts. And I print the occasional recipe for my cookbook folder. At this rate my Brother will probably outlive me! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/04/15 14:42, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/30/2015 08:27 AM, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:
If you're printing more than a couple thousand pages a year, I don't think a inkjet makes sense. I'm not even sure that is the threshold with the prices of colour laserjets coming down.
Given my experience with inkjets, the high cost of ink, the cleaning and clogging of nozzles, its too much! I agree with greg about the basic economics.
Laserjets 'just work' without the ridiculous amount of effort inkjets take. I rarely need colour work; when i do I can take a hi-res image on a USB stick to a print shop, because I need hundreds. As it stands, my print needs are light. My office isn't quite paperless, my accountant wants hard copy of e-purchase receipts. And I print the occasional recipe for my cookbook folder.
At this rate my Brother will probably outlive me!
I think ink is better for photos. That's all we want to print, but I don't think that's possible directly from a linux laptop unless you can compile programs:( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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I think ink is better for photos. That's all we want to print, but I don't think that's possible directly from a linux laptop unless you can compile programs:(
I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big. I watched a friend of mine trying to print just two photos on special paper, with an ink printer, from Windows. He wasted half a dozen or more of those expensive sheets, while changing adjustements, getting weird colours and low resolution. In the end, we realized that the photo files were in fact low resolution. But they looked just fine on the phone... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCbyoACgkQja8UbcUWM1w5EgD/eezF6H6UlX4euTtbawrEymxb vWqt17TN8ZbK3UPPTGIA/1VQr/W7oxKNGwU5pQqO4eagIvfcTs/6coAbWvF73bSS =zX77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/04/15 20:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-04-30 19:13, buhorojo wrote:
I think ink is better for photos. That's all we want to print, but I don't think that's possible directly from a linux laptop unless you can compile programs:( I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in
colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big.
I watched a friend of mine trying to print just two photos on special paper, with an ink printer, from Windows. He wasted half a dozen or more of those expensive sheets, while changing adjustements, getting weird colours and low resolution. In the end, we realized that the photo files were in fact low resolution. But they looked just fine on the phone...
Hi That's good to know, but they are expensive. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/30/2015 02:06 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-04-30 19:13, buhorojo wrote:
I think ink is better for photos. That's all we want to print, but I don't think that's possible directly from a linux laptop unless you can compile programs:(
I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big.
I watched a friend of mine trying to print just two photos on special paper, with an ink printer, from Windows. He wasted half a dozen or more of those expensive sheets, while changing adjustements, getting weird colours and low resolution. In the end, we realized that the photo files were in fact low resolution. But they looked just fine on the phone...
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
In a slightly earlier post to this thread, someone said that a Xerox color laser printer was low cost. So I looked: yes, there are one or two models under or in the vicinity of $200, but _not_ any that can do duplex! Unless you don't care how much paper you waste, you really need duplex for keeping useful information for your own use at home. In business, the extra cost is just a business expense-tax deductible even--but an extra $200 my not be justifiable for the home user. I actually own three printers--one real old and slow, and an old but quite adequate HP LaserJet and a fairly recent Epson All-in-One inker. All would do duplex, altho the real old one has forgotten how. But that's for emergency use only. The Epson does really good color--I don't know if any low or even medium cost duplex-capable laser can be expected to do that. (Altho if I have to replace it, I'll find out!) --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/30/2015 06:41 PM, Doug wrote:
In a slightly earlier post to this thread, someone said that a Xerox color laser printer was low cost. So I looked: yes, there are one or two models under or in the vicinity of $200, but _not_ any that can do duplex! Unless you don't care how much paper you waste, you really need duplex for keeping useful information for your own use at home. In business, the extra cost is just a business expense-tax deductible even--but an extra $200 my not be justifiable for the home user. I actually own three printers--one real old and slow, and an old but quite adequate HP LaserJet and a fairly recent Epson All-in-One inker. All would do duplex, altho the real old one has forgotten how. But that's for emergency use only. The Epson does really good color--I don't know if any low or even medium cost duplex-capable laser can be expected to do that. (Altho if I have to replace it, I'll find out!)
There's the Brother HL-3170CDW Colour Laser Printer at Amazon.ca for C$230, That's US$190 today. http://www.amazon.ca/Brother-HL-3170CDW-Colour-Laser-Printer/dp/B00BQU141C Yes my Brother bias is showing. Tell me, you have 3 printers. What is their accumulated cost? I gather only the Epson does colour and the others are B&W mainstays. What's the operating cost of the Epson?
--doug
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-01 00:41, Doug wrote:
In a slightly earlier post to this thread, someone said that a Xerox color laser printer was low cost. So I looked: yes, there are one or two models under or in the vicinity of $200, but _not_ any that can do duplex! Unless you don't care how much paper you waste, you really need duplex for keeping useful information for your own use at home.
Well, no, you don't *need* it at home, unless you print many pages often. I can print duplex on my non-duplex printer when I want to. The trick is not hard to do. You first print even pages in reverse order; then feed the same stack of paper to the printer, and print the odd pages. A duplex printer is more expensive and bulky. Not really affordable on most homes. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCtyAACgkQja8UbcUWM1ykkAEAiiSQxx/JYyCRwShzTcQvFvv/ u3PzMfsLLDxwjSrZQTMA/3swvRwK4+vWzpdIx2iTQLza5AgiHSYDKWi290ui2HFT =ChG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/30/2015 03:41 PM, Doug wrote:
On 04/30/2015 02:06 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-04-30 19:13, buhorojo wrote:
I think ink is better for photos. That's all we want to print, but I don't think that's possible directly from a linux laptop unless you can compile programs:(
I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big.
I watched a friend of mine trying to print just two photos on special paper, with an ink printer, from Windows. He wasted half a dozen or more of those expensive sheets, while changing adjustements, getting weird colours and low resolution. In the end, we realized that the photo files were in fact low resolution. But they looked just fine on the phone...
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
In a slightly earlier post to this thread, someone said that a Xerox color laser printer was low cost. So I looked: yes, there are one or two models under or in the vicinity of $200, but _not_ any that can do duplex! Unless you don't care how much paper you waste, you really need duplex for keeping useful information for your own use at home. In business, the extra cost is just a business expense-tax deductible even--but an extra $200 my not be justifiable for the home user. I actually own three printers--one real old and slow, and an old but quite adequate HP LaserJet and a fairly recent Epson All-in-One inker. All would do duplex, altho the real old one has forgotten how. But that's for emergency use only. The Epson does really good color--I don't know if any low or even medium cost duplex-capable laser can be expected to do that. (Altho if I have to replace it, I'll find out!)
--doug
The one Greg recommended: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Axerox%20phaser%20printer Does have duplex for another 99 bucks. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/30/2015 02:06 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big.
What's your printer? What did it cost? What would it cost today? What does ink cost? Please refute buhorojo. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-01 00:43, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/30/2015 02:06 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big.
What's your printer? What did it cost? What would it cost today? What does ink cost?
Please refute buhorojo.
Mine is an HP CP1515. At <http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-color-laserjet-cp1515/specs/> it says it costs $155 (refurb?). I don't remember how much I paid for it, but more. Closer to 200€ and a bit, I think. Each toner replacement (includes the roller) costs locally 68€, and it takes 4. If you buy the 4 in one go, HP refunds 50€ (I'm unsure the offer is still valid). Each cartridge is rated for 1500 pages, but this is for densely printed pages. (the initial cartridges that came with the printer, complimentary, smaller capacity, lasted way longer than specified). That's a nominal 18 cents per page, less in practice. When I bought it, I think the figure was closer to 25 cents. <http://www.pccomponentes.com/hp_cb541a_cian_cp1215_cp1515_cp1518.html?gclid=CJniwJCVn8UCFQjKtAodkhMAtA> Each (colour) refill cartridge of my previous ink printer (canon bjc 4000) was about 50€, and was good for a hundred pages of text and some figures, if printed in one go. If used sparely, a sheet one day, a dozen two weeks later, the figure was closer to 50 pages or even less. That's a nominal 50 cents per page, double that in practice. I'm astonished. You have to redo the calculation for the models you can buy now at your place. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCvVcACgkQja8UbcUWM1xVCQD/dZZUItWBhsgzPFgBZnISdB8G 7Aw7HsHCQXWZWGEuxKYA/jUWhfK69oOHhMAMl9GmMCiFJXoQqzGxxMirq2aWl367 =zfV+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/30/2015 07:40 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I'm astonished.
You have to redo the calculation for the models you can buy now at your place.
When I need colour I really need more than just colour printing. I'm preparing a report or presentation and need binding and all to make a good presentation. So its not about how to get a cheap laser print, its more like this https://www.staplescopyandprint.ca/Services/Finishing.aspx Of course they can also do things like full colour dual sided business cards with finishes that a laser or inkjet printer can't manage at home. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-01 02:06, Anton Aylward wrote:
When I need colour I really need more than just colour printing. I'm preparing a report or presentation and need binding and all to make a good presentation.
But that's not the typical home usage. Not even a lot of office usage (letters...). My printer was actually sold for small business use. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCxtIACgkQja8UbcUWM1zh+QD+JKv+T0wBhbRCVo5fkbBgBccH gZRebDMalokFiQkzzWwA/2wgjFs+8ptS5FFxtSB0K/aRiqWG95bjtVCwWm1JXoV3 =bhaf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/05/15 00:43, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/30/2015 02:06 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big. What's your printer? What did it cost? What would it cost today? What does ink cost?
Please refute buhorojo.
How do you refute someone who knows nothing about it in the first place?! I can't justify $200 for a printer and then at least $80 when I need to top it up, to print a few photos once a month. So that's no good. Considering all the posts (and thanks everyone for taking the time) I think the best way is a cheap HP from the supermarket and print via Android. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/01/2015 03:58 AM, buhorojo wrote:
I can't justify $200 for a printer and then at least $80 when I need to top it up, to print a few photos once a month.
Then crank the numbers! If its just a few photos a month then the photo shop in your local mall might be a better deal. that's what I do if i want photos printed. http://www.blacks.ca/products/prints/print Work out how many you need to match the capital invested in a a printer, ANY printer, to match that. And consider the quality. More to the point, they can print on shirts, mugs and do wall posters, which a home printer can't. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-01 13:31, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 05/01/2015 03:58 AM, buhorojo wrote:
I can't justify $200 for a printer and then at least $80 when I need to top it up, to print a few photos once a month.
Then crank the numbers! If its just a few photos a month then the photo shop in your local mall might be a better deal.
Indeed. An inkjet printer used a only few times a month might dry out. Mine did. And photos use a lot of ink, which is expensive. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVDdxMACgkQja8UbcUWM1ycugD8DLGI4HimZ2Kpu7sKUTubklvV rr2JzOcWvjTwcZMiK8QA/iOn3qc/oygPvD49uX2dRjwgxGzbaHZloNWaDNUnejxO =O2Hz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/01/2015 02:58 AM, buhorojo wrote:
On 01/05/15 00:43, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/30/2015 02:06 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big. What's your printer? What did it cost? What would it cost today? What does ink cost?
Please refute buhorojo.
How do you refute someone who knows nothing about it in the first place?!
I can't justify $200 for a printer and then at least $80 when I need to top it up, to print a few photos once a month. So that's no good. Considering all the posts (and thanks everyone for taking the time) I think the best way is a cheap HP from the supermarket and print via Android.
I never buy anything but HP printers. They just work. We only have inkjet types but have learned that if we buy the better "inkjet paper" rather than just less expensive copy paper the ink lasts longer. I can't explain why. It just does. Our current printer is an 8600 series wired into our home network. Everyone uses this one printer. We got tired of buying six different cartridges for everyone to have their own printer. Laptops, smart phones and tablets can use it through the wifi connection just fine once set up. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/01/2015 09:12 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
I never buy anything but HP printers. They just work.
That's been my experience with Brother. I've heard PC/Windows users say the same thing about Epson, though my experience with Epson differs. Greatly[1]. Sometimes I wonder if its not like religion in a D&D game. The rule seem to end up that if you stay loyal and worshipful the God of Your Religion favours you. I've hears Fundamentalists make the same claim :-) There's a strong thread in this thread of discussion that people who stay loyal to one brand seem to have success with it, for whatever that brand is. [1] As in "!*never*! *EVER* !*again*!" -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/01/2015 08:23 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
I've heard PC/Windows users say the same thing about Epson, though my experience with Epson differs. Greatly
I've never had an Epson last very long. I have some 20 year old HP's that will still work. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/01/2015 06:23 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
There's a strong thread in this thread of discussion that people who stay loyal to one brand seem to have success with it, for whatever that brand is.
Its more an issue of the Devil you know being better than the one you don't I suspect. I got once burned on a Konica and never went back. I use HP, (not exclusively) but I am appalled at the amount of software you have to install just to get them to work properly. (I've been through it enough times to make it easier for me, but jeeze why can't we just install a PPD and be done with it! Curse you HP, its just printing FCS!) -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/02/2015 01:11 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On 05/01/2015 06:23 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
There's a strong thread in this thread of discussion that people who stay loyal to one brand seem to have success with it, for whatever that brand is. Its more an issue of the Devil you know being better than the one you don't I suspect.
I got once burned on a Konica and never went back. I use HP, (not exclusively) but I am appalled at the amount of software you have to install just to get them to work properly.
(I've been through it enough times to make it easier for me, but jeeze why can't we just install a PPD and be done with it! Curse you HP, its just printing FCS!)
With HP all I have to do to print is use CUPS, localhost: whatever it is. If I install HPLIP then I can fax and scan from my computer [ network printer ]. Now, on Windows there's a lot more on the "setup" disk. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/01/2015 06:23 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
There's a strong thread in this thread of discussion that people who stay loyal to one brand seem to have success with it, for whatever that brand is. Its more an issue of the Devil you know being better than the one you don't I suspect.
I got once burned on a Konica and never went back. I use HP, (not exclusively) but I am appalled at the amount of software you have to install just to get them to work properly. +1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd
On 02/05/15 20:11, John Andersen wrote: they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert!
(I've been through it enough times to make it easier for me, but jeeze why can't we just install a PPD and be done with it! Curse you HP, its just printing FCS!)
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-02 20:29, buhorojo wrote:
+1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert!
It has been said that Linux makes you pay with time and work instead of money. Just once, though. However, I don't understand your difficulties with YaST and cups. I find them very easier, much easier than the Windows procedures. And HP printers just work — maybe there are exceptions. Maybe it is because I have seen really complicated things in the past. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVFH3cACgkQja8UbcUWM1ztuQEAlf/A0WayK75Alzy7zEY0kyKE lE7x510YML2FGpFKPbEA/3477krQfbRe2jSR/G7aLZr1t/llIRjoUi2ogyrk5l7T =O4Bg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On 2015-05-02 20:29, buhorojo wrote:
+1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert! It has been said that Linux makes you pay with time and work instead of money. Just once, though.
However, I don't understand your difficulties with YaST and cups. Of course you don't and I don't expect anyone here to either. You are an expert, probably of many years standing! I am amazed and gratified by
On 02/05/15 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote: the time and attention you and others have spared me.
I find them very easier, much easier than the Windows procedures. And HP printers just work — maybe there are exceptions. FWIW, with windows, you switch on the printer and windows comes back with new hardware and then there's a button to either OK or cancel. On motorola you download the app and start it. No Yast or cups or localhost.
I'm not trying to knock Linux in anyway. For some stuff like file servers I'm sure it's the best.
Maybe it is because I have seen really complicated things in the past.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
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Le 02/05/2015 21:27, buhorojo a écrit : FWIW, with windows, you switch on the printer and windows comes back with new hardware and then there's a button to either OK or cancel. On motorola you download the app and start it. No Yast or cups or localhost. you may be surprised to know that's the same for openSUSE :-) just a story: 2 or 3 years ago I buy a Brother laser printer for my Linux User Group. Brand new. not known by my openSUSE that was built before the printer come. I had to install the driver from the Brother site, essentially alike windows when you want a recent driver, not the shit that is on the CD... one year after, I buy the same printer for me, go to the Brother web site, download the driver, go to install it and it says: please uninstall the previous driver... openSUSE did install the driver silently. So with Windows most new hardware works (most, I have example of new hardware not working), but many older don't and wont ever work. on Linux, for some brands, most hardware works. some brands will never work. Sometime, you only have to ask the right person and it works (for printers, gutenprint team). no world if perfect :-( jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-02 21:37, jdd wrote:
So with Windows most new hardware works (most, I have example of new hardware not working), but many older don't and wont ever work.
Ah, yes. They make the drivers for the Windows versions available at release time, and maybe not all of them. Some time later, there is a new Windows release, but the manufacturer of your gadget doesn't make the driver for it... you are stuck. On Linux, once the support for a gadget is included, it stays. In theory, forever, but at least longer than in Windows. As the sources for all the gadgets are included, they simply build it all again... Eventually, if nobody uses that gadget anymore, the software "bitrots" and stops working, because nobody tests and reports the problems.
on Linux, for some brands, most hardware works. some brands will never work. Sometime, you only have to ask the right person and it works (for printers, gutenprint team).
no world if perfect :-(
Yes. In Linux, you must check if what you want to buy works, in advance. Specially cheap hardware: the trick is using the CPU in the computer, with a driver, instead of having a complex gadget with cpu and complete software (firmware) inside. Example: winprinters. Some modems. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVFKlQACgkQja8UbcUWM1xh5AD+OBk2tRJxQVwlYDmhPmZC60+l duVK61AIA8UA4x2SqcoA/jDJFL7w0co2wCcAuUaR1vNF50MYnm31ktLILqTTG5cX =9Ytl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-02 21:27, buhorojo wrote:
On 02/05/15 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It has been said that Linux makes you pay with time and work instead of money. Just once, though.
However, I don't understand your difficulties with YaST and cups.
Of course you don't and I don't expect anyone here to either. You are an expert, probably of many years standing! I am amazed and gratified by the time and attention you and others have spared me.
Welcome :-) But I meant that I'm baffled by you not getting the top printer resolution. It should just work. Maybe if someone here chanced to be using the same printer as you, you two could compare setups.
I find them very easier, much easier than the Windows procedures. And HP printers just work — maybe there are exceptions.
FWIW, with windows, you switch on the printer and windows comes back with new hardware and then there's a button to either OK or cancel. On motorola you download the app and start it. No Yast or cups or localhost.
I also have Windows, and I installed my HP printer on it, too. I had to follow a procedure, which if I remember right, told to not connect the printer to the computer, but insert the CD first and run the install. And there was a reboot, i think. Apparently doing it the other way, and letting Windows do the detection, failed or broke things. And it installed hundred of megabytes of software :-o
I'm not trying to knock Linux in anyway. For some stuff like file servers I'm sure it's the best.
You have to get used to it. Things are different, and it takes time to learn. Once you do, I assure you that things become much easier :-) I use Linux for everything. I only use Windows for some pieces of proprietary software that only run on it, like the updaters for hardware gadgets I own. For me, it is actually harder to tackle problems on Windows. And I have (official) training... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVFKBkACgkQja8UbcUWM1zRnAD/fhwWQIEZJt1U4RF1Avccgf2/ TxJKweUBkq2SabsTndQA/ipSC/MJvQXMcxMtGW2XGk3D3gOQl9C5TdHelDdkQOCw =thXW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/02/2015 03:27 PM, buhorojo wrote:
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On 2015-05-02 20:29, buhorojo wrote:
+1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert! It has been said that Linux makes you pay with time and work instead of money. Just once, though.
However, I don't understand your difficulties with YaST and cups. Of course you don't and I don't expect anyone here to either. You are an expert, probably of many years standing! I am amazed and gratified by
On 02/05/15 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote: the time and attention you and others have spared me.
That's why we stay on this list, to help with the problems we learned answers to in the past. We are all volunteers and we are paying for our use of linux by helping others. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/15 16:47, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 05/02/2015 03:27 PM, buhorojo wrote:
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On 2015-05-02 20:29, buhorojo wrote:
+1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert! It has been said that Linux makes you pay with time and work instead of money. Just once, though.
However, I don't understand your difficulties with YaST and cups. Of course you don't and I don't expect anyone here to either. You are an expert, probably of many years standing! I am amazed and gratified by
On 02/05/15 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote: the time and attention you and others have spared me.
That's why we stay on this list, to help with the problems we learned answers to in the past. We are all volunteers and we are paying for our use of linux by helping others.
OK I'm getting somewhere. The 4500 works with Ubuntu. You just turn it on near the ap, put the password into it and that's it. The first time you have to print just one word but after that it's instantaneous. It's just as good quality as with android. They think the opensuse problem is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups Do we have anything like that? And dhcp (?). But don't I have dhcp anyway if I can print something? And it works from a 'phone? And stupid. I didn't take my laptop to test on their wifi. TIA for your patience. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/15 16:47, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 05/02/2015 03:27 PM, buhorojo wrote:
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On 2015-05-02 20:29, buhorojo wrote:
+1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert! It has been said that Linux makes you pay with time and work instead of money. Just once, though.
However, I don't understand your difficulties with YaST and cups. Of course you don't and I don't expect anyone here to either. You are an expert, probably of many years standing! I am amazed and gratified by
On 02/05/15 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote: the time and attention you and others have spared me.
That's why we stay on this list, to help with the problems we learned answers to in the past. We are all volunteers and we are paying for our use of linux by helping others.
OK I'm getting somewhere. The 4500 works with Ubuntu. You just turn it on near the ap, put the password into it and that's it. The first time you have to print just one word but after that it's instantaneous. It's just as good quality as with android. They think the opensuse problem is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups Do we have anything like that? And dhcp (?). But don't I have dhcp anyway if I can print something? And it works from a 'phone? And stupid. I didn't take my laptop to test on their wifi. TIA for your patience. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-04 20:23, buhorojo wrote:
OK I'm getting somewhere. The 4500 works with Ubuntu.
You just turn it on near the ap, put the password into it and that's it. The first time you have to print just one word but after that it's instantaneous. It's just as good quality as with android.
They think the opensuse problem is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups Do we have anything like that?
What do you see in that page that can be the problem? :-o :-? As far as I can see, it is the CUPS package list, and of course we have CUPS in openSUSE.
And dhcp (?). But don't I have dhcp anyway if I can print something? And it works from a 'phone? And stupid. I didn't take my laptop to test on their wifi.
I don't see where DHCP comes into the picture. That's just the service, typically supplied by your router, that assigns IP addresses to all devices in your network. Or... is it your problem that your Linux machine was not properly connecting to the network? Ar you perhaps trying to connect directly, via wifi, to the printer? An ad-hoc connection? Instead of connecting your printer to the router, and everything accessing the printer via the router? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVH6VIACgkQja8UbcUWM1yFvAD+IO2Ldngtpwys63tPO4rK7EKk CF2dntLvhF1C9ZDdIzEA/1ojGF4UcCO8sKzuTvGiqVSOLDcXNhhHlABu+bGvhfzO =w+eH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/04/2015 05:49 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-05-04 20:23, buhorojo wrote:
OK I'm getting somewhere. The 4500 works with Ubuntu.
You just turn it on near the ap, put the password into it and that's it. The first time you have to print just one word but after that it's instantaneous. It's just as good quality as with android.
They think the opensuse problem is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups Do we have anything like that?
What do you see in that page that can be the problem? :-o :-?
As far as I can see, it is the CUPS package list, and of course we have CUPS in openSUSE.
Or do you mean is there a mean with openSuse where you can see past bug reports/posting or different packages available? Please clarify the point.
And dhcp (?). But don't I have dhcp anyway if I can print something? And it works from a 'phone? And stupid. I didn't take my laptop to test on their wifi.
So, we didn't drill down and ask about the network, connectivity and addressing...
I don't see where DHCP comes into the picture. That's just the service, typically supplied by your router, that assigns IP addresses to all devices in your network.
Or... is it your problem that your Linux machine was not properly connecting to the network?
Ar you perhaps trying to connect directly, via wifi, to the printer? An ad-hoc connection? Instead of connecting your printer to the router, and everything accessing the printer via the router?
Who knows? perhaps when he started ubuntu it started a dhcp server, perhaps dnsmasq so that the machine not only gave the printer an IP address but knew what it was so they could communicate. It looks like there was a lot about the network, connectivity and addressing that we didn't ask buhorojo about while we were extolling our own favourites. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-05 04:35, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 05/04/2015 05:49 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Who knows? perhaps when he started ubuntu it started a dhcp server, perhaps dnsmasq so that the machine not only gave the printer an IP address but knew what it was so they could communicate.
Ubuntu, I think, has a better implementation of zeroconf (avahi or bonjour?). That has an effect in automatically configuring printers that advertise themselves. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVIwgAACgkQja8UbcUWM1xRIQD/b16EiEp5IkZ80fTdwRtedPs1 wj1zFoCoj91iRiM+dG4A/3Jgpz/oFy1An4B5x2tVBc/XxRmW7UpuTd7MJQ3AtxPW =rRie -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/15 23:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-05-04 20:23, buhorojo wrote:
OK I'm getting somewhere. The 4500 works with Ubuntu.
You just turn it on near the ap, put the password into it and that's it. The first time you have to print just one word but after that it's instantaneous. It's just as good quality as with android.
They think the opensuse problem is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups Do we have anything like that? What do you see in that page that can be the problem? :-o :-? They say it is up to date. More recent? Updated?
As far as I can see, it is the CUPS package list, and of course we have CUPS in openSUSE. In that case, theirs has something ours hasn't. I'm guessing it has the driver for the Envy series.
And dhcp (?). But don't I have dhcp anyway if I can print something? And it works from a 'phone? And stupid. I didn't take my laptop to test on their wifi. I don't see where DHCP comes into the picture. That's just the service, typically supplied by your router, that assigns IP addresses to all devices in your network.
Or... is it your problem that your Linux machine was not properly connecting to the network?
Ar you perhaps trying to connect directly, via wifi, to the printer? An ad-hoc connection? Instead of connecting your printer to the router, and everything accessing the printer via the router?
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-05 07:52, buhorojo wrote:
On 04/05/15 23:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
What do you see in that page that can be the problem? :-o :-? They say it is up to date. More recent? Updated?
Well, yes, their version is more recent. They appear to use the 2 series, we are at 1.5. The reason for the delay is very complex, and not going to change soon (as in years). You can learn about it in the threads «Out of date CUPS...» and «Cups 2.0» of this mail list. In particular this: <https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735404>
In that case, theirs has something ours hasn't. I'm guessing it has the driver for the Envy series.
Maybe. In that case, you could write a bugzilla about it requesting the driver to be updated. Not cups, the driver. (notice that only a person that can actually test on a particular printer can do a successful report in Bugzilla, as only he can test the proposed changes. Meaning, I can't report it) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVIxZgACgkQja8UbcUWM1y3OQD/ZUVDaEcgAtnbT1lhcPZ7zsrb lC8A35FgwvmkAjXp2IoBAJpBGeXBr4BYQNl7M6N8fyKw9n2sb9IGZDr78KrX/92s =QwIT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [05-05-15 10:24]:
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On 2015-05-05 07:52, buhorojo wrote:
On 04/05/15 23:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
What do you see in that page that can be the problem? :-o :-? They say it is up to date. More recent? Updated?
Well, yes, their version is more recent. They appear to use the 2 series, we are at 1.5. The reason for the delay is very complex, and not going to change soon (as in years). You can learn about it in the threads «Out of date CUPS...» and «Cups 2.0» of this mail list.
In particular this: <https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735404>
yes/no :^) cups 2.0.x exists in development and Tw but not 13.2 or older. Remember that published versions get security and bug fixes but version updates are not necessarily supported or provided. You may install newer versions of any package but you may also be "jumping the fence" and need to "support yourself". ps: if you are going to use openSUSE, why are you looking at other distro's for version numbers which may or may not indicate feature differences? openSUSE *usually* somewhere has the latest packages available for nearly any program/library/..., and provides the venue for many of those other distros to build their packages. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On 04/05/15 23:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
What do you see in that page that can be the problem? :-o :-? They say it is up to date. More recent? Updated? Well, yes, their version is more recent. They appear to use the 2 series, we are at 1.5. The reason for the delay is very complex, and not going to change soon (as in years). You can learn about it in the
On 2015-05-05 07:52, buhorojo wrote: threads «Out of date CUPS...» and «Cups 2.0» of this mail list.
In particular this: <https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735404> Phew. So we know about this problem? It says that only debian prints
On 05/05/15 15:28, Carlos E. R. wrote: properly because only they have the latest version. Or at least that's the only bit written in decipherable English. In my experience, Ubuntu have it too.
In that case, theirs has something ours hasn't. I'm guessing it has the driver for the Envy series. Maybe. In that case, you could write a bugzilla about it requesting the driver to be updated. Not cups, the driver.
But I know that the Ubuntu version works. Wouldn't it be better for us all to have the latest software available?
(notice that only a person that can actually test on a particular printer can do a successful report in Bugzilla, as only he can test the proposed changes. Meaning, I can't report it)
That's way beyond my expertise atm. dhcp. I'm still wondering if this is working properly. To me, it means that you can wifi your 'phone. When I first take the printer to a new wifi, I always have to put in their password. Just like a 'phone. At home, it's the same. 'Phones and laptops (and HP printers) ask for a password. The laptop and 'phone remember, but moving the printer, you have to put it every time. That's the only difference. opensuse you then need yast. ubuntu just does it. I think that's the version number...
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
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On 05/05/2015 11:23 AM, buhorojo wrote:
But I know that the Ubuntu version works. Wouldn't it be better for us all to have the latest software available?
Read those posts again. We do. its just not in the distribution DVD. The build service lets anyone build a package at whatever revision, whatever compile & link options and put together whatever 'distribution' package they want, with whatever installation defaults they want. if you want a DVD that install 13.2 but will only use BtrFS if the root partition is larger than 100G, you can. if you want an installation that creates /home, /usr. /var. /srv and makes them ALL ext4, you can. if you want an installation that does the installation with no user interaction what so ever, not offer the installer ANY option WHATSOEVER, you can. But read up on autoyast first. In the mean time, look, for example, at http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=cups&baseproject=openSUSE%3A13.2&search_devel=true&search_unsupported=true or perhaps play with options. ... which is in the "Printing" repository -- where else would it be? in particular, that leads to https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=Printing&package=cups and more specifically https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/cups/cups.chan... where you will find Fri Jan 16 16:00:20 UTC 2015 - tchvatal@suse.com - cups-2.0.1 update: * lengthy list of changes see the upstream CHANGES.txt that is distributed with the package * Disabling of sslv3 to mitigate poodle - Use gnutls to provide SSLOPtions configuration directive * openssl is no longer supported upstream * Remove the with-openssl-exception from license - Remove cups.sysconfig as it is not used with systemd based distros - Purposely lose support for SLE11 as it doubles size of some of the sections and keep suppor for openSUSE+SLE12 * even with the conditions we would have to go unencrypted only as needs newer gnutls, so don't bother with keeping the compat Of course most of us 'Whitebeards' know to try the search and the build service. We pass this wisdom down the next generation ... -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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where you will find
Fri Jan 30 10:44:47 UTC 2015 - - - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it I wonder what effect that will have. :-? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVI7VMACgkQja8UbcUWM1zXagEAlvSlThPi1O/W/abhxRMw5Bhg eQ72IbBSgzpO61GA4NcA/22OIBg7JFYHKgFL9sHgK2z2a7odzwA2S4tAS/F5zgZ0 =PnyA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:18:27PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it
I wonder what effect that will have. :-?
it'll be prolematic for me, for sure -- _|_ _ __|_|_ ._ o| |_(_)(_)|_| ||_)||< | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-06 00:04, toothpik wrote:
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:18:27PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it
I wonder what effect that will have. :-?
it'll be prolematic for me, for sure
Then start creating a bugzilla against factory to request it back. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVJR2cACgkQja8UbcUWM1w1igD+NmhNSclZHhjG7bIjy8i9o9p6 k59G7qxIXinIjEdnRqgBAJ4d6d6yCXaS1U+2c/RNccUuR4+I0KlUCkcwexOf49rX =dlz6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/05/2015 06:42 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-05-06 00:04, toothpik wrote:
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:18:27PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it
I wonder what effect that will have. :-?
it'll be prolematic for me, for sure
Check and see if there is a print-server that has a parallel port output. That would solve your problem. --doug
Then start creating a bugzilla against factory to request it back.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
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On 05/05/2015 10:51 PM, Doug wrote:
On 05/05/2015 06:42 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-05-06 00:04, toothpik wrote:
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:18:27PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it
I wonder what effect that will have. :-?
it'll be prolematic for me, for sure
Check and see if there is a print-server that has a parallel port output. That would solve your problem.
--doug
Here's the solution, for under $10: StarTech 6-Feet USB to Parallel Printer Adapter - M/M (ICUSB1284) by StarTech $9.96 Amazon to the rescue! ( There are also Ethernet print servers, around $50. ) --doug
Then start creating a bugzilla against factory to request it back.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
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On 5/5/2015 8:57 PM, Doug wrote:
On 05/05/2015 10:51 PM, Doug wrote:
On 05/05/2015 06:42 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-05-06 00:04, toothpik wrote:
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:18:27PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it
I wonder what effect that will have. :-?
it'll be prolematic for me, for sure
Check and see if there is a print-server that has a parallel port output. That would solve your problem.
--doug
Here's the solution, for under $10:
StarTech 6-Feet USB to Parallel Printer Adapter - M/M (ICUSB1284) by StarTech $9.96
Amazon to the rescue!
By all means get the Cat5 single port print server instead of USB. plug it into the back of your router and print from all computers and phones anywhere in the house. Way more versatility. http://amzn.com/B003CFATR4 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/05/15 07:33, John M Andersen wrote:
On 5/5/2015 8:57 PM, Doug wrote:
On 05/05/2015 10:51 PM, Doug wrote:
On 05/05/2015 06:42 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-05-06 00:04, toothpik wrote:
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:18:27PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it
I wonder what effect that will have. :-?
it'll be prolematic for me, for sure
Check and see if there is a print-server that has a parallel port output. That would solve your problem.
--doug
Here's the solution, for under $10:
StarTech 6-Feet USB to Parallel Printer Adapter - M/M (ICUSB1284) by StarTech $9.96
Amazon to the rescue!
By all means get the Cat5 single port print server instead of USB. plug it into the back of your router and print from all computers and phones anywhere in the house. Way more versatility.
I can't see how that is going to help. I want to use wifi, not usb. ??? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/06/2015 02:08 AM, buhorojo wrote:
On 06/05/15 07:33, John M Andersen wrote:
On 5/5/2015 8:57 PM, Doug wrote:
On 05/05/2015 10:51 PM, Doug wrote:
/snip/
it'll be prolematic for me, for sure
Check and see if there is a print-server that has a parallel port output. That would solve your problem.
--doug
Here's the solution, for under $10:
/snip/
By all means get the Cat5 single port print server instead of USB. plug it into the back of your router and print from all computers and phones anywhere in the house. Way more versatility.
I can't see how that is going to help. I want to use wifi, not usb. ???
Here's another single port print server from Newegg: TP-LINK TL-PS110P Fast Ethernet Print Server RJ45 Parallel http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704066&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Network+Print+Servers-_-N82E16833704066&gclid=CITgkJ-4rcUCFe1j7AodN3MAbg&gclsrc=aw.ds If your router does WiFi, as many do these days, your problem is solved. If not, then of course, you'll need a WiFi router, which also has wired Ethernet connections. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-06 04:51, Doug wrote:
- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it
I wonder what effect that will have. :-?
it'll be prolematic for me, for sure
Check and see if there is a print-server that has a parallel port output. That would solve your problem.
How would that help, if CUPS 2 is incapable of handling it? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVJ4KAACgkQja8UbcUWM1xXigEAirTmZ6lKeCQDVtx8m7IcH4FG jfV+L6FPUfC7MhOVeboA/13ovUGa/4OB1aqCdROYnnEk4kRVaI+XgVyq5Yf14D2/ =Yhzp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-05 17:23, buhorojo wrote:
On 05/05/15 15:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, yes, their version is more recent. They appear to use the 2 series, we are at 1.5. The reason for the delay is very complex, and not going to change soon (as in years). You can learn about it in the threads «Out of date CUPS...» and «Cups 2.0» of this mail list.
In particular this: <https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735404> Phew. So we know about this problem?
The problem with your printer? No.
In that case, theirs has something ours hasn't. I'm guessing it has the driver for the Envy series. Maybe. In that case, you could write a bugzilla about it requesting the driver to be updated. Not cups, the driver. But I know that the Ubuntu version works. Wouldn't it be better for us all to have the latest software available?
Nope. Because sometimes it is not possible. The posts I mentioned and that bugzilla explains why. However, Patrick just said that the development version of openSUSE has cups 2. Maybe openSUSE 13.3 will have it, maybe not. Or, you can add the printing repo and install cups 2 now. I see it has version 2.0.2. Whether it will works, or add some other new problems, I don't know. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVI65kACgkQja8UbcUWM1y2UQD9E+Bnctvvm8AEWEpLFRHPGbtb 15wgUwg066GJy25c76sA/jYoN2EfLNWKtMGM44g7GHddExlkdSIBxih+YAhd9Jcb =qC86 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/05/2015 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or, you can add the printing repo and install cups 2 now. I see it has version 2.0.2. Whether it will works, or add some other new problems, I don't know.
See https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/Printing/cups?repository=openSUS... for the specific RPMs. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/05/2015 10:37 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 05/05/2015 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or, you can add the printing repo and install cups 2 now. I see it has version 2.0.2. Whether it will works, or add some other new problems, I don't know.
Some info here https://lwn.net/Articles/615716/ -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/05/15 19:37, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 05/05/2015 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or, you can add the printing repo and install cups 2 now. I see it has version 2.0.2. Whether it will works, or add some other new problems, I don't know.
See https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/Printing/cups?repository=openSUS... for the specific RPMs.
Mmm. That looks close. What's the procedure? The two latest posts give a choice (I think). I get the specific RPMs, or I add the printing repo. Do we have instructions or methods for those? Maybe this is a stupid question. How do I install the printing that ubuntu has on opensuse? Is this what is meant by version 2.0.2? I don't know how to say this in mailing list terms I'm afraid. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/05/2015 05:22 PM, buhorojo wrote:
On 05/05/15 19:37, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 05/05/2015 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or, you can add the printing repo and install cups 2 now. I see it has version 2.0.2. Whether it will works, or add some other new problems, I don't know.
See https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/Printing/cups?repository=openSUS...
for the specific RPMs.
Mmm. That looks close. What's the procedure? The two latest posts give a choice (I think). I get the specific RPMs, or I add the printing repo. Do we have instructions or methods for those?
Read what it says! Those RPMs are in the 'Printing' repository for 13.2 yes you can download the RPMs one by one and install them, but why not add the repository using zypper or yast and those RPMs and others will be available when you use 'yast2 sw-single' or 'zypper in' and will take care of dependencies and consistency, which doing single RPMs by hand won't. Do read up on that, its there in various documentation and probably in the suse-wiki. The only way to see if the way the openSuse/Printing CUPS2.0 has been built and if it delivers the same functionality as the ubuntu version is to try it. I *STRONGLY* suggest you do what Carlos suggested and add the Printing repo and install CUPS2. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* buhorojo <buhorojo.lcb@gmail.com> [05-05-15 19:36]:
On 05/05/15 19:37, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 05/05/2015 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or, you can add the printing repo and install cups 2 now. I see it has version 2.0.2. Whether it will works, or add some other new problems, I don't know.
See https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/Printing/cups?repository=openSUS... for the specific RPMs.
Mmm. That looks close. What's the procedure? The two latest posts give a choice (I think). I get the specific RPMs, or I add the printing repo. Do we have instructions or methods for those?
If you want to use newer packages, I would think you would add the printing repo
Maybe this is a stupid question. How do I install the printing that ubuntu has on opensuse? Is this what is meant by version 2.0.2?
There are no *stupid* questions, but there are questions w/o much basis. You are running openSUSE, *use* openSUSE packages. They are build for openSUSE and *buntu packages are built for *buntu. openSUSE != *buntu.
I don't know how to say this in mailing list terms I'm afraid.
Mailing list "terms" are the same as a conversation, question, answer, question, answer; as you would read a book, front to back. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-06 01:48, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* buhorojo <> [05-05-15 19:36]:
Maybe this is a stupid question. How do I install the printing that ubuntu has on opensuse? Is this what is meant by version 2.0.2?
There are no *stupid* questions, but there are questions w/o much basis. You are running openSUSE, *use* openSUSE packages. They are build for openSUSE and *buntu packages are built for *buntu. openSUSE != *buntu.
He simply means install in openSUSE the same package set that he already knows that works in Ubuntu. Not installing ubuntu packages on opensuse. Language barrier ;-) And the printing repo has the same cups version as ubuntu, so it should work, if that is the problem. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVJXRkACgkQja8UbcUWM1yQ4gEAlYsazj1q/l2ffigNDfDjoh21 qPEg7fx535SYYKd4wzsA/RH241C9VFaDJSGOLVhwCSBsseOjbgnXWaOJ3+cPWfN1 =oG3m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-02 20:11, John Andersen wrote:
I use HP, (not exclusively) but I am appalled at the amount of software you have to install just to get them to work properly.
(I've been through it enough times to make it easier for me, but jeeze why can't we just install a PPD and be done with it! Curse you HP, its just printing FCS!)
If you choose a printer that talks postscript via the network, you do not need to install hplip. Mine worked out of the box, with cups. Later I installed it, but I do not use their applet. Instead, the printer has its own web page for control, and I use that. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVFHhEACgkQja8UbcUWM1zw5gD/WAW4t9YFG6hbL05EgRHB5PVb zrKV+5zrPfa9rZL0Dn0A/3baOW1gq3TCWKWMGq3aZaxTTeZ3uKb9T9Mlj6jVeZ+a =j0Ka -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/02/2015 11:57 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-05-02 20:11, John Andersen wrote:
I use HP, (not exclusively) but I am appalled at the amount of software you have to install just to get them to work properly.
(I've been through it enough times to make it easier for me, but jeeze why can't we just install a PPD and be done with it! Curse you HP, its just printing FCS!)
If you choose a printer that talks postscript via the network, you do not need to install hplip. Mine worked out of the box, with cups.
Later I installed it, but I do not use their applet. Instead, the printer has its own web page for control, and I use that.
As long as you are only talking about JUST printers that might be true. (However even then, some functionality is often lost, such as two-sided printing, etc.) Once you venture into an All-in-One sort of device, you end up sacrificing functionality with the ppd-Only route . - -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlVFI18ACgkQv7M3G5+2DLJ0eACeM+4acIavI3SzArQDeuImqO62 2AwAnA/cBsuYY7XZ9/NPHfX84U2zsw/T =Gv7q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-02 21:19, John Andersen wrote:
On 05/02/2015 11:57 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
As long as you are only talking about JUST printers that might be true. (However even then, some functionality is often lost, such as two-sided printing, etc.)
Maybe.
Once you venture into an All-in-One sort of device, you end up sacrificing functionality with the ppd-Only route .
Well, that's possible. I suppose you have to configure two or three things (printer, scanner, fax). I never had one of mine, but I used one at a friend's place. An HP PSC 1400. I had no difficulty with it. The scanner side worked fine. The printer had no cartridge, so I didn't actually test if the configuration worked. My laptop had hplip already installed, so I do not know if it would have worked without it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVFJY8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1w9oAEAiESsRbo+qFBQRFclPyYoC1ez 9E1e6kqXn5TseCX3EKsBAIVhX/0mg2nMC1sQ7RAzjhD/G5h4Zg8MYKs5rmsotWN5 =2YPV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-30 14:27, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:
If you're printing more than a couple thousand pages a year, I don't think a inkjet makes sense.
Even if you print once a month, it doesn't. If you don't use the ink printer often, the head obstructs. And with non original ink, it obstructs earlier. I had to use my previous ink printer at least once a week to keep it in working condition; and each power-up means a head clean procedure, which in essence is just squirting a bit of ink into a sponge. A waste. If I had to print an important letter after two weeks, it took me an hour to restore the head to good condition, because some of the nozzles were clogged. And that meant removing the cartridge and cleaning them with alcohol, then blowing through the other end while placing a tissue on the nozzles. Then testing. I learnt the trick from a professional. But it was a real nuisance. And if I had to print a hundred pages, the cartridge, or one of the colours, would empty mid-job. Get a laser! - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCI4sACgkQja8UbcUWM1xr7QD/YSoJ3fKFw6erjFSPUU02Udnv m3uPasliuZFpJEt4Zv0A/j954grWZu77EQ+mRDTqlHMaKnXHBHx3ufKzxmvuziXy =aPif -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/30/2015 08:43 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Get a laser!
I was in TigerDirect once when a guy was buying over 20 inkjet printers. I asked. he told me that ink cartridges & nozzles were expensive; it was cheaper to buy printers bulk for the 'free' ink that comes with then and can cannibalise the nozzles. I ran the calculations. Yes TiDi was having a sale on of the inkjet printers. It made sense. Stupid, yes, but it made sense. So I have my Brother. It never clogs. I have spare cartridges and a spare drum in the closet (that *MY* closet not the one of Anxieties!) that I bought on heavy discount. As i said, this brother is going to outlive me! -- The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. -- Friedrich Nietzsche -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-30 14:52, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/30/2015 08:43 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Get a laser!
I was in TigerDirect once when a guy was buying over 20 inkjet printers. I asked.
he told me that ink cartridges & nozzles were expensive; it was cheaper to buy printers bulk for the 'free' ink that comes with then and can cannibalise the nozzles.
:-) Yes, I heard this before. You get the printer cheap, but the refills are expensive. But my HP printer came with complimentary toner cartridges, half capacity. It was the same trick with photography: the primary thing was to sell you a camera. Then you had to buy rolls, developing, prints, albums, extra optics, flash, bags, cleaning kits, tripods, filters... the lot. Or get your own lab. Once you were hooked. And the extras were expensive.
So I have my Brother. It never clogs. I have spare cartridges and a spare drum in the closet (that *MY* closet not the one of Anxieties!) that I bought on heavy discount.
My laser cartridges include the drum, so they are more expensive. Four of them. But they last years, now that instead of printing books I read them on an e-reader. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCKWYACgkQja8UbcUWM1zgwgEAlE02VGAvm2bd7mt8exAWbdKA jOFWprZFPIIvqfGOz7IA/0U+sbwQXy6zkMaIUy7fzqowrO1ZUlgRz+XKLdPnAG6r =ft+n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/30/2015 09:08 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
now that instead of printing books I read them on an e-reader.
We,, yes, there is that too. :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/30/2015 5:27 AM, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:
Xerox color laser printers can be had new for under $200.
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Axerox%20phaser%20printer
I got one a couple months ago. 3000 pages in. I've replaced 2 toner cartridges (black and cyan) About $20 each for the LD cartridges I'm buying.
That looks interesting. That seems like high usage for a couple of months. Like 6 reams. Were the cartridges you had to replace the "starter" cartridges, or the regular size? Did you get the memory upgrade? or the Duplexer? -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 3:19 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/30/2015 5:27 AM, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:
Xerox color laser printers can be had new for under $200.
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Axerox%20phaser%20printer
I got one a couple months ago. 3000 pages in. I've replaced 2 toner cartridges (black and cyan) About $20 each for the LD cartridges I'm buying.
That looks interesting.
That seems like high usage for a couple of months. Like 6 reams.
It's at my small office. 6 users. Even then I agree that we print too much, but at least it is less than a ream a week!
Were the cartridges you had to replace the "starter" cartridges, or the regular size?
I believe they were starters. I had to replace the black one at only 1500 pages or so. I'm now at 3000 and the black toner still shows as full on the status line. The cyan I just replaced last week. Yellow and Magenta are still half full.
Did you get the memory upgrade? or the Duplexer?
I went for the basics, so no upgrades. And it is a pure printer. No scanner/copier/fax included. I still have a Cannon MX922 printer for scanning / copying / duplex (and backup in case the Phaser dies). I bought the Xerox because I was having to mess with a ink cartridge every week or two and sometimes 2 or 3 times in one week. I was re-filling the ink myself to save money, but I simply got tired of messing with it. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-30 23:44, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I still have a Cannon MX922 printer for scanning / copying / duplex (and backup in case the Phaser dies). I bought the Xerox because I was having to mess with a ink cartridge every week or two and sometimes 2 or 3 times in one week. I was re-filling the ink myself to save money, but I simply got tired of messing with it.
That's the word for it: messy :-) That ink is hard to remove from hands. Awful if it goes to the table or clothes! Ruin! - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCvfgACgkQja8UbcUWM1yA1wD+Ju+fg45hIpXDzwb+m/JVMWlP PQFhNOdS40nXpiElpU4BAJsGWumMN7621c4sRUDx8U9X/Hvfy5szoZ5kkEEFtssf =N8ci -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/30/2015 08:27 AM, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:
If you're printing more than a couple thousand pages a year, I don't think a inkjet makes sense.
Xerox color laser printers can be had new for under $200.
So can Dell http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=225-4111&dgc=BA&cid=287695&lid=5509522&acd=1230921250836018 -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-29 22:46, buhorojo wrote:
On 29/04/15 20:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting too much. I have to give the (borrowed) printers back tomorrow and I feel it only right I replace the ink I've wasted. This has been an expensive trial. I could have bought the HP for what I'm paying for the ink.
I think that a laser printer turns out cheaper in that respect. Toner doesn't dry out, there are no nozzles to clog, no head cleaning (which wastes ink). A refill can last years.
No one has mentioned the epson so I'm guessing that's a even more of non stater with linux.
I have a stand alone scanner from Epson, and works fine out of the box. I haven't tried their printers personally, but I understand they work fine. Of course, there may be models that don't. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVBYXAACgkQja8UbcUWM1wORgEAmgEPQ8ntUtzx2y4o3XLgfjF3 pYX3b16soRObR/Lc+ZIA/RX8JVQOHm487h51h3xqG2b3dxoWMN+OB850ZiN4DbGS =KY0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/04/15 19:53, John Andersen wrote:
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On 2015-04-29 08:07, buhorojo wrote:
On 29/04/15 01:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
http://www.openprinting.org/printers Hi I don't think they are up to date. Well, the "envy" are not even listed.
This is why I bothered in the first place. The 'Suse' listing for this HP printer has everything I want: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/other/envy_4500_series.html Apparently
you need hplip 3.13.6. I see that my 13.1 has 3.13.10, so it should support it. New version of HPLIP-3.15.4 is available for upgrade direct from
On 04/29/2015 07:05 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: the HPLIP website.
See http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/novell.html
Note that regardless of how up to date the Opensuse versions appear they always seem crippled. Often they won't do two sided printing or won't read status of toner/ink or they won't do scanning from all-in-one models.
I don't know if this is some limitation imposed by HP or some patent wariness on Opensuse's part, or incompatibility with cups. I've learned never to use the OS packages and install from the above. The sequence of commands they offer there seemed to work perfectly. That makes a lot of sense. What a mess. I see that we're still at the configure make and make install stage with opensuse. It almost certainly explains why Yast gives only one resolution. I'm sure there is something else wrong too because it makes an awful noise whilst printing. With eprint, it sounds the same as via windows, and the quality is excellent.
It's years since I've built anything. Is it really a case of following the link? Are there gotchas¿ e.g. What do I do to lose the current yast mess and start again? Thanks again for your patience.
Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way to go.
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Am 29.04.2015 um 21:26 schrieb buhorojo:
On 29/04/15 19:53, John Andersen wrote:
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On 2015-04-29 08:07, buhorojo wrote:
On 29/04/15 01:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
http://www.openprinting.org/printers Hi I don't think they are up to date. Well, the "envy" are not even listed.
This is why I bothered in the first place. The 'Suse' listing for this HP printer has everything I want: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/other/envy_4500_series.html Apparently
you need hplip 3.13.6. I see that my 13.1 has 3.13.10, so it should support it. New version of HPLIP-3.15.4 is available for upgrade direct from
On 04/29/2015 07:05 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: the HPLIP website.
See http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/novell.html
Note that regardless of how up to date the Opensuse versions appear they always seem crippled. Often they won't do two sided printing or won't read status of toner/ink or they won't do scanning from all-in-one models.
I don't know if this is some limitation imposed by HP or some patent wariness on Opensuse's part, or incompatibility with cups. I've learned never to use the OS packages and install from the above. The sequence of commands they offer there seemed to work perfectly. That makes a lot of sense. What a mess. I see that we're still at the configure make and make install stage with opensuse. It almost certainly explains why Yast gives only one resolution. I'm sure there is something else wrong too because it makes an awful noise whilst printing. With eprint, it sounds the same as via windows, and the quality is excellent.
It's years since I've built anything. Is it really a case of following the link? Are there gotchas¿ e.g. What do I do to lose the current yast mess and start again?
Thanks again for your patience.
I just tried it this afternoon (on 13.2), but some things could not be found for download with zypper and configure ended with an error, make was not possible. Sorry I can't give more details, as I didn't spend much time, just cut and paste the commands from the mentioned page. As my cheap all-in-one HP prints and scans ok, I just gave it up. Advantage would have been, when ink status etc. would work... Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona http://www.daniel-bauer.com room in Barcelona: https://www.airbnb.es/rooms/2416137 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/29/2015 12:26 PM, buhorojo wrote:
I don't know if this is some limitation imposed by HP or some patent wariness on Opensuse's part, or incompatibility with cups. I've learned never to use the OS packages and install from the above. The sequence of commands they offer there seemed to work perfectly.
That makes a lot of sense. What a mess. I see that we're still at the configure make and make install stage with opensuse. It almost certainly explains why Yast gives only one resolution.
Well, no, actually in most cases, you should be able to configure print-only devices with yast or via Cups ( http:\\localhost:631 ). You should get all resolutions IFF you select the proper printer model. So your single resolution model speaks to something incomplete in your opensuse setup, but I'm kind of at a loss to know just what you might be missing.
I'm sure there is something else wrong too because it makes an awful noise whilst printing. With eprint, it sounds the same as via windows, and the quality is excellent.
Yeah, thats just wrong, it shouldn't be making any more noise. Wrong ppd. (Did you know most ppd files can be copied from windows to Linux? they are just text).
It's years since I've built anything. Is it really a case of following the link? Are there gotchas¿ e.g. What do I do to lose the current yast mess and start again?
The first set of commands makes sure you have a competent build environment, then it proceeds to download and do the rest. So it should work. Just pay attention to the parts indicated to be done depending on you Opensuse Version. Some steps are dependent on which python version you are running: in a shell type: python --version Do this as a user, not root. It will ask for roots password when it needs it. When done, you can delete the directory in your user account. I keep a browser open split screen with Konsole andjust copy / paste. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/29/2015 06:50 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Well, no, actually in most cases, you should be able to configure print-only devices with yast or via Cups ( http:\\localhost:631 ). You should get all resolutions IFF you select the proper printer model. So your single resolution model speaks to something incomplete in your opensuse setup, but I'm kind of at a loss to know just what you might be missing.
The answer might be in the PPD. I have a Brother printer and there was a difference between the PPD that came with CUPS, played silly buqqers with <strike>gutenberg</strike> Ghostscript and more and the vendor's PPD that worked in BRscript. There are just too many GS options to worry about! Of course with CUPS I can have many logical printers. This Brother model can emulate an Epson a well :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/29/2015 03:26 PM, buhorojo wrote:
That makes a lot of sense. What a mess. I see that we're still at the configure make and make install stage with opensuse. It almost certainly explains why Yast gives only one resolution. I'm sure there is something else wrong too because it makes an awful noise whilst printing. With eprint, it sounds the same as via windows, and the quality is excellent.
I'm sorry you are suffering so. I've had great success with my printers with Linux but then I've not used HP this century. I'm currently using a Brother model that isn't produced any more. The closest is this http://www.bestbuy.com/site/brother-hl-5450dn-black-and-white-printer-black/6003035.p?id=1218712328630&skuId=6003035 and I get extended ink cartridges at a fraction the BestBuy price from a 3rd party supplier in Montreal, that would be http://www.123inkjets.com/Brother/Laser-Toner/HL-Printers/HL-5450DN/8098-Pri... for the above. Actually I wait for their annual sale and save another 50% :-) Sure, call me "cheap". Originally I ran my printer with a parallel port from my dektop, but also used the USB port for my (Linux) laptop. The laptop was a HP. Yes, I'd buy another HP laptop. Now I have it networked off my switch and that means my tablet and phone can also use it via my wifi router. Brother supports this for Linux, both .rmp and .deb http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=eu_ot&lang=en&prod=hl5450dn_all&os=127 Source is avialbale. I never bothered. http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Brother/Brother-HL-5250DN There's an old wives tale that UNIX prompted the development of postscript. Dunno, but i've always used postscript _capable_ printers with UNIX and Linux even when I don't use them in postscript mode. See http://www.openprinting.org/driver/Postscript-Brother of course there's also http://www.openprinting.org/driver/gutenprint but I've never had any success with that. I'd get another brother Printer, but to be honest my use is getting less and less paper oriented. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/29/2015 02:07 AM, buhorojo wrote:
Well, I just want a printer to do what it says on the tin. Like with a 'phone. It seems that this is not possible with Linux. The Yast setup is like one of those old efforts from the 90's. You have to be an expert to even understand the wording!
Like everything, its in the configuration. I've given up on YAST for many things and configuring printers is among them. get a PPD specific to your printer and make use of that. CUPS has the option to use a supplied PPD. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/27/2015 08:53 AM, buhorojo wrote:
always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set
Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?
Thanks,
My neighbour has a net-attached (cat 5) epson plugged into the back of his router. You don't specifically need a wifi printer, you can also use any cat-5 printer without attaching directly to the PC. None of my house printers support wifi. I use a Hp Professional laserjet 1606dn (which is in-expensive), as well as an older model All-in-one hp office jet 7310xi, printer scanner, fax copier. I can print to them just fine in Linux, I can scan using linux, and send faxes. On my phones, (android), one comes with a built in printer facility which can only print to the All-in-one for some reason. But using the PrinterShare package from the android play store I can print to any of them, using all settings, all resolutions etc. I can even print to the 1606 from anywhere in the world because it is an Hp dPrint cloud ready printer. Also both of them work on Google Cloud Print. As for resolution, that is a matter of the settings in the printing software on your phone. Get better software. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/27/2015 01:12 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Hp dPrint cloud ready printer.
Meant to say hp ePrint. This feature is sort of nice occasion HP server, which some might consider a security issue. Also, I ignore the Opensuse distributed HPLIP package as it is backlevel, and only supplies limited functionality. I install direct from HP. http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/novell.html You only REALLY need to do this if you want to use all functions of a All-In-One printer on linux. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/17/2015 08:42 AM, buhorojo wrote:
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
There's insufficient information here. What is the model number of the printer? What kind of connections does it have? (Old parallel port, USB, Ethernet?) someone may make a wifi adapter that fits the existing printer connection. (Then the computer(s) would have to have wifi also, unless the printer will work with both wifi and wired without any configuration change. It's time to read the instruction manual for the printer.) I don't know how wifi works with phones, but you have been researching that yourself. I think if you have an Android-based phone, it probably supports wifi, but I'm not sure. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/04/15 20:23, Doug wrote:
There's insufficient information here. What is the model number of the printer? What kind of connections does it have? (Old parallel port, USB, Ethernet?) someone may make a wifi adapter that fits the existing printer connection.
It's 'Deskjet F2280'. It jams a lot, it won't feed card or photo paper unless we use sandpaper on the rollers each time. Thanks. It's a good idea, but I'd rather start again. I can print from my phone to a friend's HP 4500 and he can print over Internet too, both from his 'phone and from windows. On my laptop, Yast doesn't see the 4500. But it does see the 2280, so I wonder if I'm stuck with having to connect the printer to a computer, even though it is itself wifi. I like the look of the 4500. It's more solid, quieter and it prints on card. Dunno. Can I print from opensuse 13.2 to a HP 4500 without using a cable? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-17 14:42, buhorojo wrote:
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup?
I have a router to which I can connect a printer via USB, and the printer appears via network then. I believe separate gadgets (usb to network printer converter) are sold as well. I have not tried this feature, I bought my HP printer with ethernet (prints fine via wifi, of course: just connect to the lan). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlUxqlEACgkQja8UbcUWM1x1aQEAkLuQCihku15Z2DXSpmjhRLv/ gZkDK/xeR+0CuF3VK/oA/0s2Ox5gDqWGiQzJh3LvW8eI7I5Bx3/uVWaY72a2cgHU =MTap -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/17/2015 07:42 AM, buhorojo wrote:
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
I don't know if the computer it is connected to can be left - ON or if you have a network connection on the printer, but it is almost impossible to beat the rugged performance of the LaserJet series. I have owned the LJ3's, 4's, 4100's and 4200's and all still work great. (I recently lost a board in one of the LJ4's purchased in 1994 or 95. If you have a Linux box you can leave running continually, it is hard to be a cups server setup where the printer is made available to both wired and wireless clients (including phones via avahi). Some of the newer printers have various published "Wifi" print capability, but I've yet to find one that works reliably. I'm interested to see the other solutions and recommendations posted. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On April 18, 2015 12:00:48 AM EDT, "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 04/17/2015 07:42 AM, buhorojo wrote:
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
I don't know if the computer it is connected to can be left - ON or if you have a network connection on the printer, but it is almost impossible to beat the rugged performance of the LaserJet series. I have owned the LJ3's, 4's, 4100's and 4200's and all still work great. (I recently lost a board in one of the LJ4's purchased in 1994 or 95.
If you have a Linux box you can leave running continually, it is hard to be a cups server setup where the printer is made available to both wired and wireless clients (including phones via avahi). Some of the newer printers have various published "Wifi" print capability, but I've yet to find one that works reliably. I'm interested to see the other solutions and recommendations posted.
David, This is the $35 media bridge I put in front of my wired printer. http://www.microcenter.com/product/323626/300Mbps_Wireless_N_Range_Extender My office "lan" is pure wireless and I didn't want to put the printer in the closet with the router. The printer is about 30 ft from the router. I only set this up a month ago per the receipt but I have really pushed that printer hard. Windows 7, Windows 8, macOS, and opensuse have all communicated with no issues. I am extremely pleased. Greg -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Also add the "Epson AcuLaser C1100" to opensuse... would be a BIG time saver .... André at 18-04-15 06:00 David C. Rankin wrote:
On 04/17/2015 07:42 AM, buhorojo wrote:
13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B
I don't know if the computer it is connected to can be left - ON or if you have a network connection on the printer, but it is almost impossible to beat the rugged performance of the LaserJet series. I have owned the LJ3's, 4's, 4100's and 4200's and all still work great. (I recently lost a board in one of the LJ4's purchased in 1994 or 95.
If you have a Linux box you can leave running continually, it is hard to be a cups server setup where the printer is made available to both wired and wireless clients (including phones via avahi). Some of the newer printers have various published "Wifi" print capability, but I've yet to find one that works reliably. I'm interested to see the other solutions and recommendations posted.
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I have not had a problem with the Samsung printers including the multi-function colour laser printers. That includes scanning. The drivers are very easy to setup with cups. -- Regards, Graham Smith -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/18/2015 12:00 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
but it is almost impossible to beat the rugged performance of the LaserJet series.
Rugged, yes! They seem to survive a lot of physical abuse. I've dropped them carting them, had them fall of desks. perhaps the casing suffers, but they keep on working. Perhaps there's a Timex mechanism inside? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-28 14:04, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/18/2015 12:00 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
but it is almost impossible to beat the rugged performance of the LaserJet series.
Rugged, yes! They seem to survive a lot of physical abuse. I've dropped them carting them, had them fall of desks. perhaps the casing suffers, but they keep on working. Perhaps there's a Timex mechanism inside?
The old ones, yes, they were made of metal. Mine is plastic and not that strong. Actually I consider it quite fragile. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlU/eTUACgkQja8UbcUWM1y/twD/atPdtn4FXWbfgH9vz3H5E2A6 +v4FJqAuUORBT6ukeqgA/jJoiXlIrozKQAV5bUAz5xsAqy8fNh281aT8/Qo3NZsM =4SCX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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