Now that 8.0 is out and people are getting some experience with it, I'm wondering if it pays to wait for version 8.1 rather than live on the "bleeding edge". I've usually found that the ".0" version of any product is much less stable than the next one. With all the changes, particularly to KDE, I'm worried about the stability of 8.0. (If I don't get 8.0 I'll certainly get 8.1, so SuSE will sell me a copy in any case.) Paul
On Saturday 27 April 2002 12:13, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
Now that 8.0 is out and people are getting some experience with it, I'm wondering if it pays to wait for version 8.1 rather than live on the "bleeding edge". I've usually found that the ".0" version of any product is much less stable than the next one. With all the changes, particularly to KDE, I'm worried about the stability of 8.0. (If I don't get 8.0 I'll certainly get 8.1, so SuSE will sell me a copy in any case.)
that's what i'm doing. although i haven't heard any horrific stories about 8.0, i'd like to wait for 8.1 anyway. on a related note, does anyone remember how long 7.1 was released after 7.0? thanks, xiaolei
While I am not sure the 7.0-7.1 time, the 7.4-8.0 is reported to have taken about 6 months (as reported by their website). -jeric : -----Original Message----- : From: propheci [mailto:propheci@wickedland.com] : Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:19 PM : To: suse-linux-e@suse.com : Subject: Re: [SLE] Wait for 8.1? : : : On Saturday 27 April 2002 12:13, Paul W. Abrahams wrote: : > Now that 8.0 is out and people are getting some experience with it, : > I'm wondering if it pays to wait for version 8.1 rather than live on : > the "bleeding edge". I've usually found that the ".0" version of : > any product is much less stable than the next one. With all the : > changes, particularly to KDE, I'm worried about the stability of 8.0. : > (If I don't get 8.0 I'll certainly get 8.1, so SuSE will sell me a : > copy in any case.) : : that's what i'm doing. although i haven't heard any horrific stories : about 8.0, i'd like to wait for 8.1 anyway. : : on a related note, does anyone remember how long 7.1 was released after : 7.0? : : thanks, : xiaolei : : -- : To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com : For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com : : Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com : :
On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 01:13:01PM -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
Now that 8.0 is out and people are getting some experience with it, I'm wondering if it pays to wait for version 8.1 rather than live on the "bleeding edge". I've usually found that the ".0" version of any product is much less stable than the next one. With all the changes, particularly to KDE, I'm worried about the stability of 8.0. (If I don't get 8.0 I'll certainly get 8.1, so SuSE will sell me a copy in any case.)
Well, my experience with 8.0 so far has been positive overall. I haven't had any issues with KDE3 and anti-aliasing seems improved, as well as program start times. There are many updated packages compared to 7.3, but you can always get up to date with YaST on 7.3. The change from rc.config to /etc/sysconfig was a huge change, but the only thing that seems truly broken is the PCMCIA/hotplug system, particularly with wireless cards and multiple encryption keys. It is not something that is going to affect too many people, but it did me :( I think most users will be happy with 8.0. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net
On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 01:13:01PM -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
Now that 8.0 is out and people are getting some experience with it, I'm wondering if it pays to wait for version 8.1 rather than live on the "bleeding edge". I've usually found that the ".0" version of any product is much less stable than the next one. With all the changes, particularly to KDE, I'm worried about the stability of 8.0. (If I don't get 8.0 I'll certainly get 8.1, so SuSE will sell me a copy in any case.)
Well, my experience with 8.0 so far has been positive overall. I haven't had any issues with KDE3 and anti-aliasing seems improved, as well as program start times. There are many updated packages compared to 7.3, but you can always get up to date with YaST on 7.3. The change from rc.config to /etc/sysconfig was a huge change, but the only thing that seems truly broken is the PCMCIA/hotplug system, particularly with wireless cards and multiple encryption keys. It is not something that is going to affect too many people, but it did me :( I think most users will be happy with 8.0.
Best Regards, Keith ====================== Keith, I don't think happy is the word to use, because I think most users will be estatic with 8.0! Everything is really well done and doing a fresh install keeps everything happy! The only thing I am wanting that I haven't seen yet is the midi? I guess alsa 0.9 still has no support
On Saturday 27 April 2002 17:09, Keith Winston wrote: there with the programs available. Hopefully that will happen soon too. Overall, SuSE 8.0 is a winner! Patrick -- --- KMail v1.4 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 Magic Page Products -- Amiga-SuSE-PC Sales & Service URL: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tracerb
/etc/sysconfig ? Methinks a Red Hat-ism. Advantages? Disadvantages? So what is the 8.0 equivalent to vi /etc/rc.config && SuSEconfig? Please enlighten us below-8.0-users! Regards Anders lördagen den 27 april 2002 23.09 skrev Keith Winston: ------------------snip-------------------------------------------- :: The changefrom rc.config to /etc/sysconfig was a huge change ------------------snip-------------------------------------------- :: :: Best Regards, :: Keith -- "The New York Times is read by the people who run the country. The Washington Post is read by the people who think they run the country. The National Enquirer is read by the people who think Elvis is alive and running the country ..." -- Robert J Woodhead
/etc/sysconfig ? Methinks a Red Hat-ism. Advantages? Disadvantages? So what is the 8.0 equivalent to vi /etc/rc.config && SuSEconfig? Please enlighten us below-8.0-users!
Regards
Anders ============================== Anders, There is not really a rc.config anymore, it is gone! The /etc/sysconfig folder contains all of those things contained in the old rc.config, but in a more user friendly mode. Things are pretty easy to find and address now, rather than searching thru a very long rc.config file now. Each system item is a seperate file now, like hardware, keyboard, etc. As with any new thing, it will take a litte getting use too, but I
On Saturday 27 April 2002 17:49, Anders Dahlqvist wrote: think it will be a much better setup. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.4 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 Magic Page Products -- Amiga-SuSE-PC Sales & Service URL: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tracerb
Patrick wrote:
On Saturday 27 April 2002 17:49, Anders Dahlqvist wrote:
/etc/sysconfig ? Methinks a Red Hat-ism. Advantages? Disadvantages? So what is the 8.0 equivalent to vi /etc/rc.config && SuSEconfig? Please enlighten us below-8.0-users!
Regards
Anders
============================== Anders, There is not really a rc.config anymore, it is gone! The /etc/sysconfig folder contains all of those things contained in the old rc.config, but in a more user friendly mode. Things are pretty easy to find and address now, rather than searching thru a very long rc.config file now. Each system item is a seperate file now, like hardware, keyboard, etc. As with any new thing, it will take a litte getting use too, but I think it will be a much better setup.
Patrick
don't quite agree. everything is now in many different files that have to be edited. (more work), I still haven't found half the stuff I'm looking for. I miss xine (will now have to hunt for all that is needed to watch dvd's anyone know of a replacement for encrypted dvd viewing ?) kde3 rocks, new yast2 -- vastly improved, also having hasles with gpg (as has been posted...) Lots of very nice eye candy and much more difficult to configure without using yast2 There are still many mysteries to be solved and I foresee many hours of fun trying to figure out where everything is and what all the new files are for and doing my own compile on the stuff I miss from 7.3 (and playing with the new opensource goodies on 8.0) Anyway thanks SuSE team for a well designed and stable 8.0 !!! 2c andre
It's now an LSBism. :/ * Anders Dahlqvist (dahlqvist@sundsvall.mail.telia.com) [020427 14:50]: ::/etc/sysconfig ? ::Methinks a Red Hat-ism. ::Advantages? ::Disadvantages? ::So what is the 8.0 equivalent to vi /etc/rc.config && SuSEconfig? ::Please enlighten us below-8.0-users! -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. -GC --=====-----=====--
On Sunday 28 April 2002 02:14, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
It's now an LSBism. :/
Hm. I've heard this for a while now, so I decided to see what the standards actually define. I looked at the current draft of the LSB (last modified Tuesday April 23) and I looked at version 2.2 of the FHS. I can't find mention of /etc/sysconfig anywhere. Can anyone show me where it's defined? Is it in a draft version of FHS 2.3? Anders
On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 11:49:30PM +0200, Anders Dahlqvist wrote:
So what is the 8.0 equivalent to vi /etc/rc.config && SuSEconfig? Please enlighten us below-8.0-users!
Anders, The equivalent is vi /etc/sysconfig/<config-file> && SuSEconfig. Of course, you have to know which <config-file> to edit. There are 45 configuration files in mine, plus three subdirectores that have additional files and scripts. However, they are all clearly named, like apache, cron, postfix, sound, etc. so it is not as bad as it sounds. Again, the one exception is the PCMCIA mess. I am not as enthusiastic about 8.0 as some other people on the list. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net
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