Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

Dne středa 7. prosince 2016 9:24:07 CET, Per Jessen napsal(a):

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Dave Plater wrote:

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Hi, I've had an opensuse.org email alias for a few years now but I can't work out how to use it. I recently had an email to my main opensuse account email address stating that I've been inactive, I sent a test message to my @opensuse.org address and it didn't bounce so the address exists. I've searched through my profile and account settings but can't find anything.

Outgoing mail with your opensuse.org address - just add the address as an identity to your normal email account.

Incoming mail to your opensuse.org address is presuably already sent to your normal address.

Yes, but the hidden question was how to set this. opensuse.org mails are just aliases pointing to some other "normal" e-mail addresses.

That's correct.

But how to set the target? Why isn't it manageable in the connect or elsewhere on some easily reachable place?

I agree that would be nice. The opensuse.org aliasing scheme was probably set up in a hurry, perhaps not really well thought through. Still, most people don't change email addresses so often, certainly not judging by how few requests we see for admin@opensuse.

So far - as far as I know - one must send request to admin (at) opensuse.org to ask to set target e-mail for opensuse.org alias...

Yes, that is the current procedure - to my knowledge, the opensuse.org alias table on the main SUSE mailserver is just a flat file (well, hashed for postfix). There is talk about moving to a different setup (Heinlein?), but I am not familiar with the details nor the timeplan. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-0.1°C) openSUSE mailing list admin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dne středa 7. prosince 2016 7:43:31 CET, Anton Aylward napsal(a):

On 12/07/2016 03:32 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

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Yes, but the hidden question was how to set this. opensuse.org mails are just aliases pointing to some other "normal" e-mail addresses. But how to set the target? Why isn't it manageable in the connect or elsewhere on some easily reachable place? So far - as far as I know - one must send request to admin (at) opensuse.org to ask to set target e-mail for opensuse.org alias... It is really a "what do you mean by ..." question.

I use Thunderbird and it allows me to specify the (or rather choose) the outgoing 'From:" address and the "Reply-to:" that I want to use.

I can set up actual (as they use some POP or IMAP (fetch) accounts and I can set up how outgoing messages are handled. In this instance I've created a specific account for @OpenSuse that filters and means that I automatically reply with the appropriate "From:" and "reply-to:" for that list.

I believe there are 'virtual' account mechanisms that achieve the same thing.

There is no need to have 'accounts' thgat have a 1:1 correspondence with anything in /etc/passwd.

As for outgoing, Thunderbird lets me use my local Postfix, which I can them configure to be destination dependent for routing if I so wish, my ISP's mail relay, or direct connections. In reality, many routers and sites block port 25, but never mind, they support TLS on a higher numbered port.

Regardless of the account that I actually fetch my @opensuse list mail from, I can set up Thunderbird so that, if I had an @opensuse dot org account, the "From" would read "anton.aylward" and the "Reply-to:" wold bem, as is the case with this message, the list.

Given how easy all that is with Thunderbird, I can't imagine ever using a webmail program. they seem crippled by the designers imagination.

Perhaps, just perhaps, there are add-ins for gmail on your phone that that offer capabilities that are similar. I use Thunderbird's IMAP option for reading my Gmail. That way i get the best of both worlds.

Well, I use KMail. Same case (settings of various outgoing identities etc.). As webmail I have RoundCube allowing same settings. But the problem, IMHO, is on the opposite end: how to comfortably configure opensuse.org alias to deliver mails into particular account... -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/

On 2016-12-07 13:43, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 12/07/2016 03:32 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:

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Yes, but the hidden question was how to set this. opensuse.org mails are just aliases pointing to some other "normal" e-mail addresses. But how to set the target? Why isn't it manageable in the connect or elsewhere on some easily reachable place? So far - as far as I know - one must send request to admin (at) opensuse.org to ask to set target e-mail for opensuse.org alias...

It is really a "what do you mean by ..." question.

I use Thunderbird and it allows me to specify the (or rather choose) the outgoing 'From:" address and the "Reply-to:" that I want to use.

If you do that with a mail provider in Spain, your mail is refused, because your account only allows you to send with the contracted mail address, and opensuse.org is not telefonica.net. Thus, for sending email with my opensuse.org alias I have to send it via gmail, and tell the gmail people to authorize me to send with my from set to opensuse.org (they have a form for this). I also have to configure Thunderbird (or postfix) to use my gmail account ID and password when sending with the opensuse.org from. Ie, I have to jump several loops to be able to send. Then, several recipients that tried to email to my opensuse.org address had their email rejected, because antispam measures on transit failed with the aliasing, bouncing back the email. I forget the name of the feature, but I simply had to stop using my opensuse.org alias. (Yes, I opened a ticket for this years ago, no answer). The solution for all this is not using an alias, but a real address. For instance, the ieee.org organization replaced the ieee.org mail aliases with real addresses handled by gmail.org, as an organization. Gmail for groups I think it is called. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

On 2016-12-07 18:55, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-12-07 13:43, Anton Aylward wrote:

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If you do that with a mail provider in Spain, your mail is refused, because your account only allows you to send with the contracted mail address, and opensuse.org is not telefonica.net.

Is it really the same with every Spanish mail provider? (just being curious).

At least, with all I have tried, some of them now extinct. Tiscali was one.

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Thus, for sending email with my opensuse.org alias I have to send it via gmail, and tell the gmail people to authorize me to send with my from set to opensuse.org (they have a form for this).

I also have to configure Thunderbird (or postfix) to use my gmail account ID and password when sending with the opensuse.org from.

Ie, I have to jump several loops to be able to send.

Well, two hoops.

Yep, but there are several places that need configuration and testing, so I count several smaller loops. Or hoops. :-)

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Then, several recipients that tried to email to my opensuse.org address had their email rejected, because antispam measures on transit failed with the aliasing, bouncing back the email. I forget the name of the feature, but I simply had to stop using my opensuse.org alias. (Yes, I opened a ticket for this years ago, no answer).

Do you have the number of that ticket? I have not been using my opensuse alias much, but I have never had any issues with it. I use my computer.org alias for practically everything, no problems there either. (of course, forwarded mails from domains with SPF records are occasionally identified as spam, but it's no big deal).

#4876 Subject: [openSUSE admin - tickets #4876] (New) Fwd: [opensuse-project] opensuse mail redirection problem Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:21:40 +0000 +++...................... Two people (one an Alpine developer) have complained to me that they can not send email to me on my opensuse.org alias, because it gets bounced to them with this message from from a suse.de server (or so they claim): ....... The mail system <robin...@telefonica.net> (expanded from <carlos...@opensuse.org>): host tnetmx.telefonica.net[86.109.99.69] said: 522 - Failed SPF (in reply to MAIL FROM command) ....... I have been told that the solution is for opensuse.org is to implement SRS, so the ball is on your side. Another solution is to replace the redirector with a real mail service — for instance, the IEEE replaced the ieee.org redirector with google group services (I'm unsure of the exact naming). ......................++- and more text. I can forward to you the whole post if you wish.

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The solution for all this is not using an alias, but a real address.

I believe there is something afoot in this regard, but there is a cost involved. Having all the member mails forwarded to a dovecot machine is no big deal, but running that machine is no small effort.

Yes, that's true. I know that ieee.org is no longer an alias, but a real address at gmail. I don't know if they charge and how much. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

On 2016-12-08 00:05, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

T> I have been told that the solution is for opensuse.org is to implement T> SRS, so the ball is on your side.

Ah yes, that issue. FWIW, I have recently dealt with exactly that same issue myself. One of my customers switched mail provider, the new provider also rejected mail due to this SPF failure. The "ball" can end up in three places (my company is at (c)) :

a) with the sender, who would have to relax their SPF policy of "-all".

b) with the receiver, who would have to relax their SPF policy enforcement.

c) with the forwarder, who would have to implement SRS.

In every one of my cases of the last 12 years, (b) has been the answer, including the one from this week. We're staying away from option (c) because (1) every implementation out there sucks performance-wise and (2) it requires (b) to understand what's going on.

I see. I think :-)

SRS would probably work fine on the SUSE mailserver, but unless some enthusiastic SUSE mail admin will take it on, I'm afraid little or nothing will be done. It does cause a minor problem for the use of the opensuse.org alias, I agree.

Well, not getting email is not so minor ;-) I had to stop using the alias on some places because of that issue. That, and another little reason. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)