[opensuse] New to desktop usage of Linux, is OpenSuSE the right distro for this use-case?
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman? What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 30 december 2015 09:44:43 schreef cagsm:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman?
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob.
You should add the packman repository and replace whatever is installed from the main repository by a similar package from the packman repository. You may also need other packages from the packman repository. In YaST you can find a list of community repositories to add, you only need packman. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 09.44:43 cagsm wrote:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman?
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob.
?Troll? If you know about Packman you probably know the answer is "Yes" to most of your questions. There are (where?) distribution better suited to people who want to overcome standard FOSS limits. Sabayon is one that comes to my memory. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Thierry de Coulon
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 09.44:43 cagsm wrote:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman?
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob.
?Troll?
Perhaps, has been a member here since before 2012 according to my mail archives. Or he doesn't read any of the posts except when he wants to know something. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 09.44:43 cagsm wrote:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman?
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob.
?Troll?
If you know about Packman you probably know the answer is "Yes" to most of your questions.
There are (where?) distribution better suited to people who want to overcome standard FOSS limits. Sabayon is one that comes to my memory. Not certain, but I think Mint is one. And since it is derived from Ubuntu,
On 12/30/2015 04:15 AM, Thierry de Coulon wrote: there is plenty of support. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/30/2015 02:41 PM, Doug wrote:
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 09.44:43 cagsm wrote:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman?
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob.
?Troll?
If you know about Packman you probably know the answer is "Yes" to most of your questions.
There are (where?) distribution better suited to people who want to overcome standard FOSS limits. Sabayon is one that comes to my memory. Not certain, but I think Mint is one. And since it is derived from Ubuntu,
On 12/30/2015 04:15 AM, Thierry de Coulon wrote: there is plenty of support.
If attaching one more repository is going to be THAT burdensome that you would spend 5 days moving to a new distro, then I suggest you won't be happy after the move either. There might be other reasons to move, but that isn't one of them. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen schreef op 31-12-2015 1:38:
On 12/30/2015 02:41 PM, Doug wrote:
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 09.44:43 cagsm wrote:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman?
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob.
?Troll?
If you know about Packman you probably know the answer is "Yes" to most of your questions.
There are (where?) distribution better suited to people who want to overcome standard FOSS limits. Sabayon is one that comes to my memory. Not certain, but I think Mint is one. And since it is derived from Ubuntu,
On 12/30/2015 04:15 AM, Thierry de Coulon wrote: there is plenty of support.
If attaching one more repository is going to be THAT burdensome that you would spend 5 days moving to a new distro, then I suggest you won't be happy after the move either.
There might be other reasons to move, but that isn't one of them.
--
Adding the repository is easy enough with Yast. One of OpenSUSE's strengths is definitely its rich repository offering. Perhaps that is due to the Build Service? Ubuntu is a clean, well composed distribution but there is not much third-party work going on. Getting NetworkManager 1.x on OpenSUSE is easy; on Ubuntu it is rather impossible unless you compile yourself. That is, when a program like that (for example, this one) is not offered by default. This is because there are really not many PPAs that are of any worth. The main difference from a software point of view is mainly that OpenSUSE has much more software to offer. There are many useful third party repos. Installing "extra" software is easy with the one-click system. So OpenSUSE is a bit more anarchist. Less polished perhaps, but there is a little more respect for the individual who wants something else. OpenSUSE's tools, such as that "zypper", are, for example, from my point of view, also better geared and more designed around a "multiple respository" architecture. It feels more rich to me, even if I like Zypper less. Further, as I've said to you in private, I don't think you will find much of a real Ubuntu 'community'. Sure there is the forums but it feels like "wannabe hippies" who gather because someone else has organized the gathering. In OpenSUSE it is more a gathering of real people. That is at least how it feels or seems to me. I guess you can base your choices on a bit of this info, if you like. Not saying I like OpenSUSE better or worse. It is just about what you need at which point. For me and my 'development needs' it 'works' to try various distros and then pick the best after. It also helps to be less inclined to think or consider that Linux has to be your main system. If you don't put such a requirement to it, perhaps it becomes more useful to you (with less drawbacks). In the end I can understand the question. For you (Thierry) the real first question is: how to get a problem free existence. I would suggest Ubuntu (or Mint) is better suited to that. If you feel installing Mint or Ubuntu is going to give you a good experience, by all means do that. If you get fed up, you can always come back. I wouldn't suggest or think to hope for you that you have to decide in a day and stick to that forever. Regards. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/12/15 09:15, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 09.44:43 cagsm wrote:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman?
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob.
?Troll?
Possibly. I love those posts that end with "Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac?". Probably. ;-) -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.1.13-5-default Distro: openSUSE 42.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.10
On 12/30/2015 04:15 AM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
here are (where?) distribution better suited to people who want to overcome standard FOSS limits.
all systems have limited but you should use MS W95 specifically, PAK 5 -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
cagsm composed on 2015-12-30 09:44 (UTC+0100):
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman?
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob.
These links explain the legal restrictions and how to deal with them: https://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_formats https://software.opensuse.org/codecs http://opensuse-community.org/ Short answer: enable Packman -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/30/2015 09:44 AM, cagsm wrote:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar, sites telling me my setup was not supported, lacked codecs and stuff. I wonder if OpenSuSE has some copyright or licensing problems of to offer the codecs? Or is there a simple way to add all the missing stuff that maybe OpenSuSE cannot provide due ot legal reasons via other means? Packman?
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac? Thank you in advance for giving a basic run-down for a Linux desktop noob.
I don't have packman repos enabled - and I'm grateful to that licensing trouble that it's saving a bit of my life time by hindering me to view that many of (mostly) dump videos. Instead, go meet some friends and "have fun" - the openSUSE slogan. ;-) Who said "not all that could be done should be done"? Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/30/2015 03:44 AM, cagsm wrote:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar,
Your problem is not LEAP since I get this with Firefox on 13.1/13.2. FF won't play most of the youtube that I visit. And no, I'm not talking about junk, I'm talking about how-to and product review and how to install, repair types, that is PRACTICAL articles. However its not a licensing issue either, as when that happens I just copy/paste the URL into KDE's Kongueror and it plays fine there complete with audio. If I were being an obsessive-compulsive about the matter I would try pasting into google-chrome, chromium, reconq and qupzilla. The Firefox/Thunderbird suite has an amazing number of add-ins and extensions that boost its utility, but its also getting to be a thorny mess of questionable stability. This is bad because email and web browser are key internet components. I'd love it if Konqueror matches Firefox, but its seems to be dying now that Dolphin has taken over as a file manager, and KMail seems perennially beset by fiddly little problems[1], too many of them tied in to indexing (possibly why FF uses plain text and sqlite3). *HOWEVER*, getting back to the ${SUBJECT}, if the use-case is simply Firefox (or web browsing) and/or email, and the constraint is Firefox & Thunderbird, then there's not going be much difference between the Linux distributions to run that. In fact there's not going to be much difference between Linux and Apple/OSX other than price, and not much difference between Linux and Windows. You need to look to other differentiators. [1] As in: I've wasted to many hours trying, futilely, to get thekmail2/akonadi combo to work. I really don't understand duplicating plain text into the database. I'm already doing that with Dovecot. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-12-30 14:58, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 12/30/2015 03:44 AM, cagsm wrote:
I recently tried Leap for a desktop machine, but e.g. Firefox would not play most web video sites, e.g. youtube or similar,
Your problem is not LEAP since I get this with Firefox on 13.1/13.2. FF won't play most of the youtube that I visit. And no, I'm not talking about junk, I'm talking about how-to and product review and how to install, repair types, that is PRACTICAL articles.
I don't have problem viewing almost anything with FF. Do you have links of problematic sites? Ah, youtube. Then a problematic video? Do you have flash installed? And flashblock? The latter often causes problems at youtube. It argues with FF what is allowed and what not, causing a race condition, trying html5, and if this fails, as there is no flash support (because it is blocked), then fails completely. Those really problematic I view with Chrome (not Chromium). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlaEZC0ACgkQja8UbcUWM1ysPQD/amakQp4fMMdJu3SnffgWLKDy WGo3H/7eDWTAL63BqsgA/2orm1XnEU/3FPAQVNhicUWn4g3meTyj/eyPWJ8C8Ggl =L4jZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/30/2015 03:44 AM, cagsm wrote:
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac?
Mac is made for people like you. Enjoy! Ruben -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 31/12/15 16:35, Ruben Safir wrote:
On 12/30/2015 03:44 AM, cagsm wrote:
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac?
Mac is made for people like you. Enjoy!
Ruben
We were taught that Linux ran servers. Only recently did we (even our teacher) realise that it had a graphical interface too. Maybe it's easy to forget that users come from differing backgrounds? What we take for granted is new to some. HTH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* buhorojo
On 31/12/15 16:35, Ruben Safir wrote:
On 12/30/2015 03:44 AM, cagsm wrote:
What other stuff am I missing with OpenSuSE as to-be desktop user? Maybe I should stick with Windows or Mac?
Mac is made for people like you. Enjoy!
Ruben
We were taught that Linux ran servers. Only recently did we (even our teacher) realise that it had a graphical interface too. Maybe it's easy to forget that users come from differing backgrounds? What we take for granted is new to some.
That is very true but not to the OP, cagsm, who has resided here for several years, posting. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/31/2015 11:24 AM, buhorojo wrote:
We were taught that Linux ran servers
Take a look at your Android phone or tablet. It's Linux underneath. Many electronic appliances, such as TVs, A/V receivers and more run Linux. Of course, the super computer market is pretty well owned by Linux. In fact, you can run openSUSE on a super computer and it looks and behaves just like on your own computer, but just a tad faster. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/31/2015 12:56 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 12/31/2015 11:24 AM, buhorojo wrote:
We were taught that Linux ran servers Take a look at your Android phone or tablet. It's Linux underneath. Many electronic appliances, such as TVs, A/V receivers and more run Linux. Of course, the super computer market is pretty well owned by Linux. In fact, you can run openSUSE on a super computer and it looks and behaves just like on your own computer, but just a tad faster. ;-)
Forgot to mention, Apple gear runs BSD which, like Linux. is another Unix variant. IIRC, Blackberrys also run a type of Unix. About the only phones that don't run some Unix variant these days are the Windows phones. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/31/2015 10:01 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 12/31/2015 12:56 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 12/31/2015 11:24 AM, buhorojo wrote:
We were taught that Linux ran servers Take a look at your Android phone or tablet. It's Linux underneath. Many electronic appliances, such as TVs, A/V receivers and more run Linux. Of course, the super computer market is pretty well owned by Linux. In fact, you can run openSUSE on a super computer and it looks and behaves just like on your own computer, but just a tad faster. ;-)
Forgot to mention, Apple gear runs BSD which, like Linux. is another Unix variant. IIRC, Blackberrys also run a type of Unix. About the only phones that don't run some Unix variant these days are the Windows phones.
He said even his instructor was not aware of Linux on the desktop. You have the blind leading the blind wherever he is being schooled. The fact that he is here on this means he is well beyond that stage. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
31.12.2015 20:56, James Knott пишет:
On 12/31/2015 11:24 AM, buhorojo wrote:
We were taught that Linux ran servers
Take a look at your Android phone or tablet. It's Linux underneath.
No, it's not. It is Linux kernel (with patches so it is not really fully compatible) and rather different user space. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/31/2015 12:56 PM, James Knott wrote:
Take a look at your Android phone or tablet. It's Linux underneath. Many electronic appliances, such as TVs, A/V receivers and more run Linux.
Can you say "Embedded systems"? Of course you can. Of course Linux is "embedded" in a lot of situations and places. Like Wall Street. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/31/2015 01:07 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 12/31/2015 12:56 PM, James Knott wrote:
Take a look at your Android phone or tablet. It's Linux underneath. Many electronic appliances, such as TVs, A/V receivers and more run Linux.
Can you say "Embedded systems"? Of course you can.
Of course Linux is "embedded" in a lot of situations and places. Like Wall Street.
Wall street is too far away from me to serve as a good example. Probably every household with any kind of internet connection has embedded linux in the house. There are places in my house where you could scarcely fall down without landing on linux. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/31/2015 12:56 PM, James Knott wrote:
In fact, you can run openSUSE on a super computer and it looks and behaves just like on your own computer, but just a tad faster.
IIR from an IBM presentation, they also run Suse linux on their mainframes. I recall Geoff Collyer (of C News fame) showing me UNIX on an an IBM mainframe at UofT back in 1983. I'd be using UNIX on a PDP-11. He ran MAKE on the whole kernel tree, something that took about 12-15 minutes on the PDP-11. It was a "don't blink or you'll miss this" event. It was as if he'd just typed return with no command, the cursor came back that fast. I doubt machines have grown slower since then :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/31/2015 04:24 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
IIR from an IBM presentation, they also run Suse linux on their mainframes.
IIRC, a few years ago, IBM ran abut 50,000 instances of Linux in virtual machines on one of their "big iron" computers. One of my cousins is a nuclear physicist studying neutrinos. He works with Linux on a supercomputer, in his research. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/31/2015 04:41 PM, James Knott wrote:
IIRC, a few years ago, IBM ran abut 50,000 instances of Linux in virtual machines on one of their "big iron" computers.
Yes, I recall reading about that. It strikes me that if you were implementing an ISP, that is the way to go, completely software managed. Those mainframes are ultra reliable; that many Intel boxes would be failing daily, one way or another, not least of all because of the proliferation of components: wiring, routers/switches, power supplies, RAM chips and so on. To say nothing of the #1 failure mode that has beset electronics (and before that, steam engines) for the last 100+ years -- solder joints. A completely software defined data centre on one of these boxes would be the way to go. The latest are compact, would fit under your desk. The wall-to-wall RAID array and HVAC+3-phase to ran it is another matter. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/31/2015 04:58 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 12/31/2015 04:41 PM, James Knott wrote:
IIRC, a few years ago, IBM ran abut 50,000 instances of Linux in virtual machines on one of their "big iron" computers. Yes, I recall reading about that.
It strikes me that if you were implementing an ISP, that is the way to go, completely software managed. Those mainframes are ultra reliable; that many Intel boxes would be failing daily, one way or another, not least of all because of the proliferation of components: wiring, routers/switches, power supplies, RAM chips and so on. To say nothing of the #1 failure mode that has beset electronics (and before that, steam engines) for the last 100+ years -- solder joints. A completely software defined data centre on one of these boxes would be the way to go. The latest are compact, would fit under your desk. The wall-to-wall RAID array and HVAC+3-phase to ran it is another matter.
I used to work at IBM and saw some of those big systems. However, these days my work often takes me into data centres, where there are many racks, each filled with several servers. A couple of days ago, I was in one that used to be an IBM warehouse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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