Tale of two upgrades - Leap 15.5 KDE
I upgraded two systems from 15.4 to 15.5, my main desktop system and my ThinkPad. My desktop has the new desktop, but the ThinkPad has the same desktop as 15.4. Any idea how this would happen? Is it possible to move my desktop computer back to the 15.4 desktop, which I prefer? tnx jk
On 12/7/23 11:25, James Knott wrote:
I upgraded two systems from 15.4 to 15.5, my main desktop system and my ThinkPad. My desktop has the new desktop, but the ThinkPad has the same desktop as 15.4. Any idea how this would happen? Is it possible to move my desktop computer back to the 15.4 desktop, which I prefer?
tnx jk
Forgot to mention, these were full upgrades, retaining only /home from previous installs. I used the install on the Live system USB stick to upgrade both.
On 2023-12-07 17:25, James Knott wrote:
I upgraded two systems from 15.4 to 15.5, my main desktop system and my ThinkPad. My desktop has the new desktop, but the ThinkPad has the same desktop as 15.4. Any idea how this would happen? Is it possible to move my desktop computer back to the 15.4 desktop, which I prefer?
What do you mean, 15.4 desktop? How did you do the upgrade? Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 12/7/23 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 17:25, James Knott wrote:
I upgraded two systems from 15.4 to 15.5, my main desktop system and my ThinkPad. My desktop has the new desktop, but the ThinkPad has the same desktop as 15.4. Any idea how this would happen? Is it possible to move my desktop computer back to the 15.4 desktop, which I prefer?
What do you mean, 15.4 desktop?
I prefer the 15.4 desktop, which I had on my main computer before the upgrade.
How did you do the upgrade?
I used the install icon on a 15.5 Live USB stick.
Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files?
Never even heard of those. I just did the install, making my selections as usual.
On 2023-12-07 17:51, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 17:25, James Knott wrote:
I upgraded two systems from 15.4 to 15.5, my main desktop system and my ThinkPad. My desktop has the new desktop, but the ThinkPad has the same desktop as 15.4. Any idea how this would happen? Is it possible to move my desktop computer back to the 15.4 desktop, which I prefer?
What do you mean, 15.4 desktop?
I prefer the 15.4 desktop, which I had on my main computer before the upgrade.
I don' know what that may be.
How did you do the upgrade?
I used the install icon on a 15.5 Live USB stick.
Then that is *not* an upgrade. You installed 15.5 fresh, keeping home partition. Upgrade is either running "zypper dup" or booting the big iso, and choosing upgrade of installed system, on boot.
Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files?
Never even heard of those. I just did the install, making my selections as usual.
Ok, because this is not an upgrade. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 12/7/23 11:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ok, because this is not an upgrade
I think you're getting into semantics. The computers were 15.4 and are now 15.5. I did a fresh install using the install from the Live USB stick. There was also an upgrade, which I did not use. Only /home was retained.
Ken Schneider
On Dec 7, 2023, at 12:07 PM, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ok, because this is not an upgrade
I think you're getting into semantics. The computers were 15.4 and are now 15.5. I did a fresh install using the install from the Live USB stick. There was also an upgrade, which I did not use. Only /home was retained.
Then it is not an upgrade period! It is a fresh install using your old /home config files and data. Also, there is no such thing as a 15.4 desktop so tell us which desktop you are using or is it some proprietary software you need to keep secret? Remember, all of our crystal balls went dead several decades ago.
On 12/7/23 12:39, kschneider bout-tyme.net wrote:
Then it is not an upgrade period! It is a fresh install using your old /home config files and data. Also, there is no such thing as a 15.4 desktop so tell us which desktop you are using or is it some proprietary software you need to keep secret? Remember, all of our crystal balls went dead several decades ago.
As always, I use KDE, as I don't care for Gnome. When I installed, KDE was the first choice. BTW, perhaps I'm imagining things, but I think I said KDE in the subject.
Thu, 7 Dec 2023 12:55:31 -0500 James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> :
On 12/7/23 12:39, kschneider bout-tyme.net wrote:
Then it is not an upgrade period! It is a fresh install using your old /home config files and data. Also, there is no such thing as a 15.4 desktop so tell us which desktop you are using or is it some proprietary software you need to keep secret? Remember, all of our crystal balls went dead several decades ago.
As always, I use KDE, as I don't care for Gnome. When I installed, KDE was the first choice.
I can't stand Gnome but it's an alternative. The last Leap I had was 15.5 and there was one thing that it did better than Tumbleweed for many generations now. When I plugged my guitar effects board into the XONAR-XTX-II soundcard I could actually hear it, like immediately and without launching any app at all. Hey, that was illegal, ALMOST like soemone knew that people usually wanna hear what they plug in because that's why they plug it in in the first place! Valliant Tumbleweed never did that, maybe because I had all my fingers up my stack up to the armpits, but maybe not, I ain't no guru. Facing doom I like many did the move to Slowroller, no major complaints so far, I boot it at least once a week; alas, still being of Tumbleweed extraction it don't sound my guitar either :-(
BTW, perhaps I'm imagining things, but I think I said KDE in the subject.
:-)
On 2023-12-07 18:06, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ok, because this is not an upgrade
I think you're getting into semantics. The computers were 15.4 and are now 15.5. I did a fresh install using the install from the Live USB stick. There was also an upgrade, which I did not use. Only /home was retained.
Semantics are important. I can help with upgrades (I wrote one of the wiki pages on it), but not with this. I suggest you try a new user, you should get a fresh working desktop. How to repair a KDE desktop going from one version to the next, I do not know. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 2023-12-07 10:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 17:51, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files?
Never even heard of those. I just did the install, making my selections as usual.
Ok, because this is not an upgrade.
You'll have to help me out here, because I only do upgrades since about ver. 10x or so, and I have never encountered any need to "handle" any .rmold, etc files.
On 2023-12-07 19:07, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 10:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 17:51, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files?
Never even heard of those. I just did the install, making my selections as usual.
Ok, because this is not an upgrade.
You'll have to help me out here, because I only do upgrades since about ver. 10x or so, and I have never encountered any need to "handle" any .rmold, etc files.
Well, you must. You have to run "rpmconfigcheck2; example: Laicolasse:~ # rpmconfigcheck Searching for unresolved configuration files Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck): /etc/apparmor.d/zgrep.rpmnew /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew /etc/tlp.conf.rpmnew Laicolasse:~ # You then have to compare those files with the active file, and decide what changed options to change, what old options to keep. Unless you do that, the upgrade is not complete and you might get unexpected results. For example you can run: meld /etc/apparmor.d/zgrep.rpmnew /etc/apparmor.d/zgrep decide, then save "/etc/apparmor.d/zgrep" and delete "/etc/apparmor.d/zgrep.rpmnew". Unless I do that, the upgrade to that config file is not applied at all. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On donderdag 7 december 2023 20:38:54 CET Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 19:07, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 10:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 17:51, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files?
Never even heard of those. I just did the install, making my selections as usual.
Ok, because this is not an upgrade.
You'll have to help me out here, because I only do upgrades since about ver. 10x or so, and I have never encountered any need to "handle" any .rmold, etc files.
Well, you must.
You have to run "rpmconfigcheck2; example:
Laicolasse:~ # rpmconfigcheck Searching for unresolved configuration files Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck): /etc/apparmor.d/zgrep.rpmnew /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew /etc/tlp.conf.rpmnew Laicolasse:~ #
You then have to compare those files with the active file, and decide what changed options to change, what old options to keep.
Unless you do that, the upgrade is not complete and you might get unexpected results.
For example you can run:
meld /etc/apparmor.d/zgrep.rpmnew /etc/apparmor.d/zgrep
decide, then save "/etc/apparmor.d/zgrep" and delete "/etc/apparmor.d/zgrep.rpmnew".
Unless I do that, the upgrade to that config file is not applied at all.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
This - creation of .rpmnew etc - only happens when the original files have been manually edited. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
On 2023-12-07 20:47, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
On donderdag 7 december 2023 20:38:54 CET Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 19:07, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 10:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
Well, you must.
You have to run "rpmconfigcheck2; example:
...
This - creation of .rpmnew etc - only happens when the original files have been manually edited.
Not completely correct, but that's irrelevant⁽¹⁾ You simply run "rpmconfigcheck", and if there are results, handle them. It doesn't matter why the files are there. (1) In the example I posted previously, file "/etc/apparmor.d/zgrep" had not been edited. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 2023-12-07 20:47, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 14:38, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You have to run "rpmconfigcheck2; example:
I have been running suse for around 20 years and never had to worry about such a thing before.
That is only lack of knowledge :-p :-D it is not a well known feature by the public. But it exists. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 2023-12-07 13:38, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 19:07, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 10:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 17:51, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files?
Never even heard of those. I just did the install, making my selections as usual.
Ok, because this is not an upgrade.
You'll have to help me out here, because I only do upgrades since about ver. 10x or so, and I have never encountered any need to "handle" any .rmold, etc files.
Well, you must.
You have to run "rpmconfigcheck2; example:
Laicolasse:~ # rpmconfigcheck Searching for unresolved configuration files Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck): /etc/apparmor.d/zgrep.rpmnew /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew /etc/tlp.conf.rpmnew Laicolasse:~ #
You then have to compare those files with the active file, and decide what changed options to change, what old options to keep.
For the love of God, Carlos, do you not think that the people who write the upgrade software know how to do that, so the user does not have to worry about it? I normally perform upgrades from the USB stick, but on one occasion (I believe it was the 15.1 to 15.2 upgrade), I did it with zypper dup -- no, I never needed to run rpmconfigcheck then either. Just follow the instructions per the os website: zypper ref zypper up zypper --releasever=15.5 refresh zypper --releasever=15.5 dup and reboot. Of course, I've never made any changes to things like postfix config files, so I don't need to check any of them for changes. If you have done so, presumably you remember which files you have changed in the past, and likely wish to keep the changes. You then should only need to find the config files which were changed in the upgrade, and copy the *.rpmold files onto the new ones, should you not? Then there would be no need to run rpmconfigcheck. Of course, maybe you don't remember which changes you made to all the possible files that may be reset during an upgrade, and also did not bother to keep a list somewhere whenever you did change something. In that case, I suppose it is necessary (essential, even) to discover anew just which changes you did make in the past. Whatever turns your crank, I suppose...
On 2023-12-07 21:14, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 13:38, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 19:07, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 10:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 17:51, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files?
Never even heard of those. I just did the install, making my selections as usual.
Ok, because this is not an upgrade.
You'll have to help me out here, because I only do upgrades since about ver. 10x or so, and I have never encountered any need to "handle" any .rmold, etc files.
Well, you must.
You have to run "rpmconfigcheck2; example:
Laicolasse:~ # rpmconfigcheck Searching for unresolved configuration files Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck): /etc/apparmor.d/zgrep.rpmnew /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew /etc/tlp.conf.rpmnew Laicolasse:~ #
You then have to compare those files with the active file, and decide what changed options to change, what old options to keep.
For the love of God, Carlos, do you not think that the people who write the upgrade software know how to do that, so the user does not have to worry about it?
Sorry, you are wrong. That's why TW now does things differently.
I normally perform upgrades from the USB stick, but on one occasion (I believe it was the 15.1 to 15.2 upgrade), I did it with zypper dup -- no, I never needed to run rpmconfigcheck then either. Just follow the instructions per the os website: zypper ref zypper up zypper --releasever=15.5 refresh zypper --releasever=15.5 dup and reboot.
Of course, I've never made any changes to things like postfix config files, so I don't need to check any of them for changes. If you have done so, presumably you remember which files you have changed in the past, and likely wish to keep the changes. You then should only need to find the config files which were changed in the upgrade, and copy the *.rpmold files onto the new ones, should you not? Then there would be no need to run rpmconfigcheck.
There is nothing to remember. Just run "rpmconfigcheck" and it will tell you what files need attention. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 12/7/23 15:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There is nothing to remember. Just run "rpmconfigcheck" and it will tell you what files need attention.
I still don't understand why I'd need to do that. It's not apps, etc. that don't work. It's I'm getting the wrong desktop on a fresh install. I normally upgrade an existing system, but occasionally do a fresh install, retaining only /home. Why is it deciding to use the 15.4 desktop, when I don't select to use user data from the previous install?
On 2023-12-07 21:25, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 15:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There is nothing to remember. Just run "rpmconfigcheck" and it will tell you what files need attention.
I still don't understand why I'd need to do that.
*You* do not need to do that (this time). You did not do an upgrade.
It's not apps, etc. that don't work. It's I'm getting the wrong desktop on a fresh install. I normally upgrade an existing system, but occasionally do a fresh install, retaining only /home. Why is it deciding to use the 15.4 desktop, when I don't select to use user data from the previous install?
It is the configuration files in your home which do whatever is happening to you today. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 2023-12-07 21:38, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 21:25, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 15:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It's not apps, etc. that don't work. It's I'm getting the wrong desktop on a fresh install. I normally upgrade an existing system, but occasionally do a fresh install, retaining only /home. Why is it deciding to use the 15.4 desktop, when I don't select to use user data from the previous install?
It is the configuration files in your home which do whatever is happening to you today.
I assume you told the installer to format the root partition? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 2023-12-07 21:54, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 15:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I assume you told the installer to format the root partition?
Yep and / is now XFS, but /home remains EXT4.
Are you sure it is not the reverse? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 12/7/23 15:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Are you sure it is not the reverse?
Quite sure. There are 2 partitions, / and /home. Since /home still has all my data in it and I didn't restore from backup, I certainly didn't format it. / used to be EXT4, now it's XFS, so it definitely was formatted.
On 2023-12-07 22:00, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 15:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Are you sure it is not the reverse?
Quite sure. There are 2 partitions, / and /home. Since /home still has all my data in it and I didn't restore from backup, I certainly didn't format it. / used to be EXT4, now it's XFS, so it definitely was formatted.
Ok, but it is a weird choice. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 12/7/23 16:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Quite sure. There are 2 partitions, / and /home. Since /home still has all my data in it and I didn't restore from backup, I certainly didn't format it. / used to be EXT4, now it's XFS, so it definitely was formatted.
Ok, but it is a weird choice.
Not really. I just used /home as existed, but formatted / for a new install. If I were to format and restore /home I'd use XFS. There are several partitions on this system, including some for Windows. I just backed up everything, except /, and told the install to format / as XFS, which is what it selected anyway.
On 2023-12-07 21:50, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 15:38, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is the configuration files in your home which do whatever is happening to you today.
Any suggestions???
I told you to try with a new user. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 2023-12-07 22:07, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 15:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is the configuration files in your home which do whatever is happening to you today.
Any suggestions???
I told you to try with a new user.
They get the 15.5 desktop.
Perfect! Nothing wrong with the system, then. Your problem is with your user configuration. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [12-07-23 17:00]:
On 12/7/23 16:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Perfect! Nothing wrong with the system, then. Your problem is with your user configuration.
That's what I figured, but what? And why only one system?
you don't have "exactly" the same <home> on both. differences are to be expected in that case and it has naught to do with the installation(s) but with your configurations which exist withing /home. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
James Knott composed on 2023-12-07 15:50 (UTC-0500):
Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is the configuration files in your home which do whatever is happening to you today.
Any suggestions???
Is plasma5-theme-openSUSE installed on both desktop and laptop? If on both, is the version the same? Same questions for plasma5-workspace-branding-openSUSE. These two packages are apparently optional. Personal settings management for Plasma is a mess: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=422529 And, they have been so since introduction of Plasma 5, not just since that bug report was filed 42 months ago. Not only that, there is nothing ongoing to do anything about it. As the report indicates, settings are not confined to one location just for Plasma, but mixed with many others. It takes herculean effort to be able to work with them individually and directly to diagnose, backup, restore or tweak. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 12/7/23 16:39, Felix Miata wrote:
Is plasma5-theme-openSUSE installed on both desktop and laptop?
If on both, is the version the same?
rpm -qa plasma5-theme-openSUSE plasma5-theme-openSUSE-84.87~git20230131T131056~433af24-lp155.3.8.noarch On both. In software manager, there are three listed, with the one from vendor openSUSE installed.
Same questions for plasma5-workspace-branding-openSUSE.
These two packages are apparently optional.
rpm -qa plasma5-theme-openSUSE plasma5-theme-openSUSE-84.87~git20230131T131056~433af24-lp155.3.8.noarch On both, with vendor openSUSE installed.
On donderdag 7 december 2023 21:50:48 CET James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 15:38, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is the configuration files in your home which do whatever is happening to you today.
Any suggestions??? Whilst not logged in: cd /home/YourUser mkdir .config/PlasmaSaved mv .config/plasma* .config/PlasmaSaved Then log in, and you should have a fresh desktop.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
Le 07/12/2023 à 21:25, James Knott a écrit :
On 12/7/23 15:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There is nothing to remember. Just run "rpmconfigcheck" and it will tell you what files need attention.
I still don't understand why I'd need to do that. It's not apps, etc. that don't work. It's I'm getting the wrong desktop on a fresh
you choose the desktop at the beginning of the install and can change it at will with yast jdd -- https://artdagio.fr
On 12/7/23 15:44, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
you choose the desktop at the beginning of the install and can change it at will with yast
You can choose from KDE, Gnome, etc., not whether 15.4 or 15.5. Both computers were previously 15.4. One winds up with the current 15.5 desktop, the other has the old 15.4 desktop.
Ken Schneider
On Dec 7, 2023, at 3:26 PM, James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> wrote:
On 12/7/23 15:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There is nothing to remember. Just run "rpmconfigcheck" and it will tell you what files need attention.
I still don't understand why I'd need to do that. It's not apps, etc. that don't work. It's I'm getting the wrong desktop on a fresh install. I normally upgrade an existing system, but occasionally do a fresh install, retaining only /home. Why is it deciding to use the 15.4 desktop, when I don't select to use user data from the previous install?
Your login is is using the settings from your 15.4 configuration files. Remove or rename the 15.4 kde configuration folders to use the 15.5 settings.
On 2023-12-07 14:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 21:14, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
You then have to compare those files with the active file, and decide what changed options to change, what old options to keep.
For the love of God, Carlos, do you not think that the people who write the upgrade software know how to do that, so the user does not have to worry about it?
Sorry, you are wrong. Well, Knurpht's reply to you certainly clarifies things for me, yet you seem intent on arguing with him too. FYI, I just ran rpmconfigcheck for the first time ever. I got a list of several things that have .rpmnew files, but the .conf files are unchanged from 15.4, and my system is still running just fine.
That's why TW now does things differently.
Pray tell, just how does TW do things? Does it make any changes to the config that you set? Or does it leave that all in place, and leave it up to the user to adjust her/her configuration if things no longer work?
On 2023-12-07 22:27, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 14:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 21:14, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
You then have to compare those files with the active file, and decide what changed options to change, what old options to keep.
For the love of God, Carlos, do you not think that the people who write the upgrade software know how to do that, so the user does not have to worry about it?
Sorry, you are wrong. Well, Knurpht's reply to you certainly clarifies things for me, yet you seem intent on arguing with him too. FYI, I just ran rpmconfigcheck for the first time ever. I got a list of several things that have .rpmnew files, but the .conf files are unchanged from 15.4, and my system is still running just fine.
I don't want to argue, but I stand by what I said.
That's why TW now does things differently.
Pray tell, just how does TW do things? Does it make any changes to the config that you set? Or does it leave that all in place, and leave it up to the user to adjust her/her configuration if things no longer work?
/usr move. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [12-07-23 16:55]:
On 2023-12-07 22:27, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 14:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 21:14, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
You then have to compare those files with the active file, and decide what changed options to change, what old options to keep.
For the love of God, Carlos, do you not think that the people who write the upgrade software know how to do that, so the user does not have to worry about it?
Sorry, you are wrong. Well, Knurpht's reply to you certainly clarifies things for me, yet you seem intent on arguing with him too. FYI, I just ran rpmconfigcheck for the first time ever. I got a list of several things that have .rpmnew files, but the .conf files are unchanged from 15.4, and my system is still running just fine.
I don't want to argue, but I stand by what I said.
That's why TW now does things differently.
Pray tell, just how does TW do things? Does it make any changes to the config that you set? Or does it leave that all in place, and leave it up to the user to adjust her/her configuration if things no longer work?
/usr move.
what exactly does that have to do with the question? and the "/usr move" will happen to 15.x if it hasn't yet. tumbleweed is very much more up-to-date than leap. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 2023-12-07 15:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 22:27, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
FYI, I just ran rpmconfigcheck for the first time ever. I got a list of several things that have .rpmnew files, but the .conf files are unchanged from 15.4, and my system is still running just fine.
I don't want to argue, but I stand by what I said.
You have effectively claimed that it is essential for everyone, after an upgrade, to run rpmconfigcheck and wade through all the files it tosses up to do whatever it is you think needs to be done. I am merely giving you my experience, that I have never done that, and my system has always continued to work just as I want, after every upgrade. You cannot have it both ways, Carlos. Either my experience is valid, or it is not -- and since my system keeps working, I must conclude that it is. BTW, I have not checked everything, but I have not yet seen any .rmpold files for anything. I conclude from this that the upgrade mechanism no longer renames any .conf files or replaces any of them with any new configurations.
That's why TW now does things differently.
Pray tell, just how does TW do things? Does it make any changes to the config that you set? Or does it leave that all in place, and leave it up to the user to adjust her/her configuration if things no longer work?
/usr move.
Just what is this supposed to mean?
On 2023-12-07 22:27, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Well, Knurpht's reply to you certainly clarifies things for me, yet you seem intent on arguing with him too.
He's wrong. I upgraded my wife's 15.4 to 15.5 today. I can guarantee you that neither I nor she has ever changed anything in /etc on her computer. 15.4 was a complete fresh install, as it was a shiny new computer.. I hadn't run rpmconfigcheck yet. Here it is. # rpmconfigcheck Searching for unresolved configuration files Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck): /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew -- /bengan
On 2023-12-07 16:18, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2023-12-07 22:27, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Well, Knurpht's reply to you certainly clarifies things for me, yet you seem intent on arguing with him too.
He's wrong.
I upgraded my wife's 15.4 to 15.5 today. I can guarantee you that neither I nor she has ever changed anything in /etc on her computer. 15.4 was a complete fresh install, as it was a shiny new computer..
I hadn't run rpmconfigcheck yet. Here it is.
# rpmconfigcheck Searching for unresolved configuration files Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck): /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew
I ran rpmconfigcheck for the first time ever today, and I got several items in the return. I checked the .rpmnew files against the config files in current use, and found several differences. There do not seem to be any essential differences between the two, in any that I checked, and the old config files, which are still in use, are still working properly.
* Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca> [12-07-23 17:55]:
On 2023-12-07 16:18, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2023-12-07 22:27, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Well, Knurpht's reply to you certainly clarifies things for me, yet you seem intent on arguing with him too.
He's wrong.
I upgraded my wife's 15.4 to 15.5 today. I can guarantee you that neither I nor she has ever changed anything in /etc on her computer. 15.4 was a complete fresh install, as it was a shiny new computer..
I hadn't run rpmconfigcheck yet. Here it is.
# rpmconfigcheck Searching for unresolved configuration files Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck): /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew
I ran rpmconfigcheck for the first time ever today, and I got several items in the return. I checked the .rpmnew files against the config files in current use, and found several differences. There do not seem to be any essential differences between the two, in any that I checked, and the old config files, which are still in use, are still working properly.
you will see differences for items you configured different than standard and for new config options. I run rpmconfigcheck occasionally as: meld /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /etc/postfix/main.cf and adjust as I see fit for my systems, then rm the rpmnew file -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 2023-12-07 23:54, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 16:18, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2023-12-07 22:27, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Well, Knurpht's reply to you certainly clarifies things for me, yet you seem intent on arguing with him too.
He's wrong.
I upgraded my wife's 15.4 to 15.5 today. I can guarantee you that neither I nor she has ever changed anything in /etc on her computer. 15.4 was a complete fresh install, as it was a shiny new computer..
I hadn't run rpmconfigcheck yet. Here it is.
# rpmconfigcheck Searching for unresolved configuration files Please check the following files (see /var/adm/rpmconfigcheck): /etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew /etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew
I ran rpmconfigcheck for the first time ever today, and I got several items in the return. I checked the .rpmnew files against the config files in current use, and found several differences. There do not seem to be any essential differences between the two, in any that I checked, and the old config files, which are still in use, are still working properly.
Of course the old files will be working properly, but they are the old config files. The changes to the config are not applied in your machine. In postfix most of the changes are in the comments, but sometimes a default changes, and it is simply not applied if you keep using the old file. So you, as the admin, have to check them after any upgrade and sometimes even after an update. Sometimes there have been security patches for attacks in the wild changing a config; unless you review these files, you keep running the vulnerable version. This happened, for instance, with ntpd.conf several years ago. A typical security component with changes not applied is apparmor. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 12:07:02 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-12-07 10:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 17:51, James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files?
Never even heard of those. I just did the install, making my selections as usual.
Ok, because this is not an upgrade.
You'll have to help me out here, because I only do upgrades since about ver. 10x or so, and I have never encountered any need to "handle" any .rmold, etc files.
Ditto - I also never "handle" anything. I _know_ there will be a number of .rpmnew files, which I most often don't care about (for good reason). Nothing to do. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.5°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes
On donderdag 7 december 2023 17:51:56 CET James Knott wrote:
On 12/7/23 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-12-07 17:25, James Knott wrote:
I upgraded two systems from 15.4 to 15.5, my main desktop system and my ThinkPad. My desktop has the new desktop, but the ThinkPad has the same desktop as 15.4. Any idea how this would happen? Is it possible to move my desktop computer back to the 15.4 desktop, which I prefer?
What do you mean, 15.4 desktop?
I prefer the 15.4 desktop, which I had on my main computer before the upgrade.
How did you do the upgrade?
I used the install icon on a 15.5 Live USB stick.
Did you remember to handle all the .rpmold/rpmorig/rpmnew config files?
Never even heard of those. I just did the install, making my selections as usual.
Then you did a fresh install. Not an upgrade. And still no clue what you're talking about re. 15.4 Desktop. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
On 12/7/23 13:22, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Then you did a fresh install. Not an upgrade. And still no clue what you're talking about re. 15.4 Desktop.
First off, I always go with KDE as I don't like Gnome. Both the computers had Leap 15.4 installed and I then installed 15.5, retaining only /home. I generally don't mess with deskop stuff, as it's not my area of interest. I just install it and use it. When I installed, I selected KDE desktop. The most I have ever done with my desktops is set up a slide show with NASA space photos, which I downloaded from National Geographic.
James Knott composed on 2023-12-07 11:25 (UTC-0500):
I upgraded two systems from 15.4 to 15.5, my main desktop system and my ThinkPad. My desktop has the new desktop, but the ThinkPad has the same desktop as 15.4. Any idea how this would happen? Is it possible to move my desktop computer back to the 15.4 desktop, which I prefer?
By "desktop", do you mean wallpaper (image/picture), or environment (Plasma vs Gnome vs XFCE etc), or something else? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 12/7/23 12:50, Felix Miata wrote:
I upgraded two systems from 15.4 to 15.5, my main desktop system and my ThinkPad. My desktop has the new desktop, but the ThinkPad has the same desktop as 15.4. Any idea how this would happen? Is it possible to move my desktop computer back to the 15.4 desktop, which I prefer? By "desktop", do you mean wallpaper (image/picture), or environment (Plasma vs Gnome vs XFCE etc), or something else?
I always use KDE, as I don't like Gnome. I refer to the KDE desktop and how it differs between 15.4 & 15.5. For example, in 15.4, the items in the task bar vary in width, according to how many there are. With 15.5, they're all the same width, no matter how many there are. When clicking on the lizard button, 15.4 has a recently used, but 15.5 has a favourites. I can run Wireshark as a user on 15.5 and have full function, but not on the ThinkPad, where I still have to start it as root, etc..
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