[opensuse] [opensuse-kde3] any KSpread (kde3-koffice-spreadsheet) users out there?
The reason for asking is I installed and started used it in 42.1 about 5 days ago, to accumulate data in one sheet. It's been growing almost continuously over these days to 18 or 20 columns and reached about 150 rows before I exited the program. While building I saved my work repeatedly, including just a minute or so before shutdown. I saved it only as a non-proprietary format, supposedly compatible with OpenOffice's spreadsheet program, .sxc. Now it needs rescue, if that's even possible. KOffice won't open it, reporting "The file seems to be corrupt. Skipping a table.", after which I click OK absent any alternative, resulting in another popup "Could not open <filename>. Reason: Internal Error.", then after dismissing that one, return to the same startup screen instead of any spreadsheet. I tried a new sheet then importing, but that results in the same error messages. I tried LibreOffice, but its proprietary file picker refuses to recognize the .sxc file. I booted a machine running 13.1 with KDE3, but its "older" KOffice won't recognize the .sxc either to open or to import. I booted a machine running 13.1 with TDE, but its KOffice also won't recognize the .sxc either to open or to import. According to https://software.opensuse.org/search, OpenOffice for openSUSE isn't available to try. Any suggestions? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/29/2016 11:01 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
The reason for asking is I installed and started used it in 42.1 about 5 days ago, to accumulate data in one sheet. It's been growing almost continuously over these days to 18 or 20 columns and reached about 150 rows before I exited the program. While building I saved my work repeatedly, including just a minute or so before shutdown. I saved it only as a non-proprietary format, supposedly compatible with OpenOffice's spreadsheet program, .sxc.
Now it needs rescue, if that's even possible. KOffice won't open it, reporting "The file seems to be corrupt. Skipping a table.", after which I click OK absent any alternative, resulting in another popup "Could not open <filename>. Reason: Internal Error.", then after dismissing that one, return to the same startup screen instead of any spreadsheet.
I tried a new sheet then importing, but that results in the same error messages.
I tried LibreOffice, but its proprietary file picker refuses to recognize the .sxc file.
I booted a machine running 13.1 with KDE3, but its "older" KOffice won't recognize the .sxc either to open or to import.
I booted a machine running 13.1 with TDE, but its KOffice also won't recognize the .sxc either to open or to import.
According to https://software.opensuse.org/search, OpenOffice for openSUSE isn't available to try.
Any suggestions? ..........................
- you might try renaming a copy with .ODS suffix and then try with OpenOffice from : http://www.openoffice.org/download/ ........... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
ellanios82 composed on 2016-02-29 11:28 (UTC+0200):
...try with OpenOffice from :
Won't open: $ openoffice4 -calc %U Application Error Fatal exception: Signal 6 Stack: /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_sal.so.3(+0x37c3a)[0x7f324af3ac3a] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_sal.so.3(+0x37d6c)[0x7f324af3ad6c] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_sal.so.3(+0x37e09)[0x7f324af3ae09] /lib64/libc.so.6(+0x35120)[0x7f3249b19120] /lib64/libc.so.6(gsignal+0x37)[0x7f3249b190a7] /lib64/libc.so.6(abort+0x118)[0x7f3249b1a458] /opt/openoffice4/program/libvcl.so(+0x1557b5)[0x7f32461407b5] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsofficeapp.so(+0x2350b)[0x7f324ac9950b] /opt/openoffice4/program/libvcl.so(+0x17ff06)[0x7f324616af06] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_sal.so.3(+0x36a02)[0x7f324af39a02] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_sal.so.3(+0x37dea)[0x7f324af3adea] /lib64/libc.so.6(+0x35120)[0x7f3249b19120] /opt/openoffice4/program/libtl.so(_ZNK6ResMgr11IsAvailableERK5ResIdPK8Resource+0x58)[0x7f3246d6f9a6] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsfx.so(_ZN12SfxInterface17RegisterObjectBarEtRK5ResIdjPK6String+0xa4)[0x7f32480a40c0] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsfx.so(_ZN12SfxViewFrame18InitInterface_ImplEv+0x5a)[0x7f324821783c] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsfx.so(_ZN12SfxViewFrame18GetStaticInterfaceEv+0x7b)[0x7f32482177d1] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsfx.so(_ZN12SfxViewFrame17RegisterInterfaceEP9SfxModule+0x9)[0x7f324821786f] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsfx.so(+0x137bfd)[0x7f3248044bfd] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsfx.so(+0x12ff29)[0x7f324803cf29] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsfx.so(_ZN14SfxApplication11GetOrCreateEv+0xd5)[0x7f324803443f] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsfx.so(+0x2b44a7)[0x7f32481c14a7] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsfx.so(+0x2b4622)[0x7f32481c1622] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3(+0x97873)[0x7f3248ed3873] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3(+0x9572a)[0x7f3248ed172a] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3(+0x958f6)[0x7f3248ed18f6] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3(+0x98ce7)[0x7f3248ed4ce7] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3(+0x9572a)[0x7f3248ed172a] /opt/openoffice4/program/libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3(+0x9594f)[0x7f3248ed194f] /opt/openoffice4/program/bootstrap.uno.so(+0x468d6)[0x7f32340f18d6] /opt/openoffice4/program/bootstrap.uno.so(+0x3cccc)[0x7f32340e7ccc] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsofficeapp.so(+0x2c75b)[0x7f324aca275b] /opt/openoffice4/program/libvcl.so(+0x1807eb)[0x7f324616b7eb] /opt/openoffice4/program/libvcl.so(_Z6SVMainv+0x1e)[0x7f324616b8b6] /opt/openoffice4/program/libsofficeapp.so(soffice_main+0x9c)[0x7f324accaf6c] /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice.bin(main+0xb)[0x400f7b] /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf5)[0x7f3249b05b05] /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice.bin(__gxx_personality_v0+0xb9)[0x400eb9] /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice: line 121: 6629 Aborted "$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@" -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-29 10:01, Felix Miata wrote:
I tried LibreOffice, but its proprietary file picker refuses to recognize the .sxc file.
Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice are free, not proprietary, and both use the .ods format for spreadsheets. You could email me a sample spreadsheet in that sxc format and I can try to open it, if you can't get LO to run. Otherwise, use a comma separated file. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Dne Po 29. února 2016 12:07:49, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
On 2016-02-29 10:01, Felix Miata wrote:
I tried LibreOffice, but its proprietary file picker refuses to recognize the .sxc file.
Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice are free, not proprietary, and both use the .ods format for spreadsheets.
I'd prefer to use ODS as it is the most advanced open format. Anyway, try Gnumeric. It is not so feature rich, but it has surprisingly wide range of supported formats. On the beginning, did You use KOffice (old) or new Calligra? The later is preferred and faster evolving. -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/
Vojtěch Zeisek composed on 2016-02-29 12:22 (UTC+0100):
I'd prefer to use ODS as it is the most advanced open format.
As it turns out KSpread can read and write it, it looks like what I'll be sticking with regardless which SS app I use.
Anyway, try Gnumeric. It is not so feature rich, but it has surprisingly wide range of supported formats.
At some point I'll give it a try, if I can first find out it is able to import .wks, .wk1 or .wq1 files. Most of my DOS SS files are in .wq! or .wq2 format, which I don't think anything can read, except (possibly) Squeeze! Plus, and (naturally) DOS versions of Quattro Pro. That WP for Windows could not read them is one reason why I jumped straight from DeskView on DOS to OS/2 without ever trying Win9x on any machine of my own. OS/2, now as eCS, still does QPDos fine, but sometimes the 132 column limit is too much constraint.
On the beginning, did You use KOffice (old) or new Calligra? The later is preferred and faster evolving.
This 42.1 machine is void of anything from KDE4-up. :-) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-02-29 12:07 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
I tried LibreOffice, but its proprietary file picker refuses to recognize the .sxc file.
Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice are free, not proprietary, and both use the .ods format for spreadsheets.
You could email me a sample spreadsheet in that sxc format and I can try to open it, if you can't get LO to run.
ellanios82 early and privately made the same offer. He sent me back both .sxc and .ods versions. Original: 8063 bytes .odt returned: 17667 bytes .sxc returned: 17046 bytes Content was in A1.T157. Using LO, all content except that in A4.A157 was restored, best as I can tell with *no* losses, as it was all strings or empty cells. A4.A157 contained 10 digit integers. At whatever format I can't say, but I made no numerical format changes to any of those cells AFAIR. The returned docs both contain only 6 significant digits. That will probably take more than an hour to fix, but probably less than 1/3 the time as starting from scratch using the logs from which the original was built. After figuring out how to make LO usable, I got my original to open, with same result as both files returned by ellanios82. KOffice reads both the files. I used TDE's KSpread to create an .ods file from scratch. KSpread3 on 42.1 reads it OK. KSpread3 on 42.1 also can create from scratch, and recall, an .ods file. So I guess as long as I stick to .ods, it doesn't matter whether I use LO or KSpread. So thanks to both ellanios82 and Carlos! I searched bugs.kde.org and found none about writing of .sxc files. TDE's KSpread makes no claim to be able to read, import, export or save as .sxc files. I guess I could file a bug to have the claim removed from the package, but would there be anyone who would care to fix it? I have to think Ilya has more important things to keep him busy. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-03-01 07:55, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-02-29 12:07 (UTC+0100):
I searched bugs.kde.org and found none about writing of .sxc files. TDE's KSpread makes no claim to be able to read, import, export or save as .sxc files. I guess I could file a bug to have the claim removed from the package, but would there be anyone who would care to fix it? I have to think Ilya has more important things to keep him busy.
If sxc was the old staroffice format as I think someone said here (my old SO files are .sdc), I think I recall that current versions of LibreOffice do not suppport it. You have to use an older version in an older openSUSE to access them and convert to ODS. If they are msdos files, then try staroffice itself. SuSE 7.3 perhaps. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Felix Miata wrote:
The reason for asking is I installed and started used it in 42.1 about 5 days ago, to accumulate data in one sheet. It's been growing almost continuously over these days to 18 or 20 columns and reached about 150 rows before I exited the program. While building I saved my work repeatedly, including just a minute or so before shutdown. I saved it only as a non-proprietary format, supposedly compatible with OpenOffice's spreadsheet program, .sxc.
sxc is the old extension for StarOffice Calc Spreadsheet, I still have some sxc documents from 2006/7.
Now it needs rescue, if that's even possible. KOffice won't open it, reporting "The file seems to be corrupt. Skipping a table.", after which I click OK absent any alternative, resulting in another popup "Could not open <filename>. Reason: Internal Error.", then after dismissing that one, return to the same startup screen instead of any spreadsheet.
Try opening it with the right application, openOffice. :-)
I tried LibreOffice, but its proprietary file picker refuses to recognize the .sxc file.
Then right click on the file, and select "Open with ..."
I booted a machine running 13.1 with KDE3, but its "older" KOffice won't recognize the .sxc either to open or to import.
I doubt if Koffice understands openoffice documents. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
The reason for asking is I installed and started used it in 42.1 about 5 days ago, to accumulate data in one sheet. It's been growing almost continuously over these days to 18 or 20 columns and reached about 150 rows before I exited the program. While building I saved my work repeatedly, including just a minute or so before shutdown. I saved it only as a non-proprietary format, supposedly compatible with OpenOffice's spreadsheet program, .sxc.
sxc is the old extension for StarOffice Calc Spreadsheet, I still have some sxc documents from 2006/7.
I've just copied these to two other destops, openSUSE 13.2 ands a vanilla openSUSE 42.1. Open Dolphin, locate document, double-click and LibreOffice opens the document. Any chance your document isn't really SXC compatible? If you run "unzip -l" on it, you ought to get something like this: unzip -l document.sxc Archive: Documents/document.sxc Length Date Time Name -------- ---- ---- ---- 28 05-24-06 15:47 mimetype 0 05-24-06 15:47 Configurations2/statusbar/ 0 05-24-06 15:47 Configurations2/accelerator/current.xml 0 05-24-06 15:47 Configurations2/floater/ 0 05-24-06 15:47 Configurations2/popupmenu/ 0 05-24-06 15:47 Configurations2/progressbar/ 0 05-24-06 15:47 Configurations2/menubar/ 0 05-24-06 15:47 Configurations2/toolbar/ 0 05-24-06 15:47 Configurations2/images/Bitmaps/ 125791 05-24-06 15:47 content.xml 328 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/Standard/Sheet2.xml 328 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/Standard/Sheet5.xml 322 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/Standard/Auto_New.xml 328 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/Standard/Sheet1.xml 334 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/Standard/ThisWorkbook.xml 328 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/Standard/Sheet4.xml 328 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/Standard/Sheet3.xml 650 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/Standard/script-lb.xml 321 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/Standard/FileNew.xml 338 05-24-06 15:47 Basic/script-lc.xml 23731 05-24-06 15:47 styles.xml 969 05-24-06 15:47 meta.xml 4217 05-24-06 15:47 Thumbnails/thumbnail.png 9960 05-24-06 15:47 settings.xml 3118 05-24-06 15:47 META-INF/manifest.xml -------- ------- 171419 25 files -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen composed on 2016-02-29 06:58 (UTC-0500):
sxc is the old extension for StarOffice Calc Spreadsheet, I still have some sxc documents from 2006/7.
I've just copied these to two other destops, openSUSE 13.2 ands a vanilla openSUSE 42.1. Open Dolphin, locate document, double-click and LibreOffice opens the document. Any chance your document isn't really SXC compatible? If you run "unzip -l" on it, you ought to get something like this:
unzip -l document.sxc Archive: Documents/document.sxc Length Date Time Name -------- ---- ---- ---- 28 05-24-06 15:47 mimetype 0 05-24-06 15:47 Configurations2/statusbar/ ...
$ unzip -l xorgLayoutConfigs1602.sxc Archive: xorgLayoutConfigs1602.sxc Length Date Time Name --------- ---------- ----- ---- 0 2016-02-29 02:33 mimetype 319899 2016-02-29 02:33 content.xml 721 2016-02-29 02:33 meta.xml 2413 2016-02-29 02:33 styles.xml 1626 2016-02-29 02:33 settings.xml 703 2016-02-29 02:33 META-INF/manifest.xml --------- ------- 325362 6 files So, my problem here was that I chose a bad non-native file format for saving my work, because KOffice 3 is unable to save(as) an .sxc file that it can itself read. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen composed on 2016-02-29 12:33 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
The reason for asking is I installed and started used it in 42.1 about 5 days ago, to accumulate data in one sheet. It's been growing almost continuously over these days to 18 or 20 columns and reached about 150 rows before I exited the program. While building I saved my work repeatedly, including just a minute or so before shutdown. I saved it only as a non-proprietary format, supposedly compatible with OpenOffice's spreadsheet program, .sxc.
sxc is the old extension for StarOffice Calc Spreadsheet, I still have some sxc documents from 2006/7.
I never had any. I made that choice on an unlucky coin flip from among the choices offered, picking what seems to have been the worst possible.
Now it needs rescue, if that's even possible. KOffice won't open it, reporting "The file seems to be corrupt. Skipping a table.", after which I click OK absent any alternative, resulting in another popup "Could not open <filename>. Reason: Internal Error.", then after dismissing that one, return to the same startup screen instead of any spreadsheet.
Try opening it with the right application, openOffice. :-)
I tried LibreOffice, but its proprietary file picker refuses to recognize the .sxc file.
Then right click on the file, and select "Open with ..."
That implies an assumption that's invalid here. The only file managers used here are OFMs. I don't "open" files that the OFM doesn't handle either natively or via pre-configured text-mode plugins. To open files dependent on GUI apps I open the appropriate app first, then the file.
I booted a machine running 13.1 with KDE3, but its "older" KOffice won't recognize the .sxc either to open or to import.
I doubt if Koffice understands openoffice documents.
Turns out it apparently does, at least, it does with those I've tried since last night. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2016-02-29 12:33 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
The reason for asking is I installed and started used it in 42.1 about 5 days ago, to accumulate data in one sheet. It's been growing almost continuously over these days to 18 or 20 columns and reached about 150 rows before I exited the program. While building I saved my work repeatedly, including just a minute or so before shutdown. I saved it only as a non-proprietary format, supposedly compatible with OpenOffice's spreadsheet program, .sxc.
sxc is the old extension for StarOffice Calc Spreadsheet, I still have some sxc documents from 2006/7.
I never had any. I made that choice on an unlucky coin flip from among the choices offered, picking what seems to have been the worst possible.
.sxc _should_ have been fine - your unzip listing looks good or at least useful.
I tried LibreOffice, but its proprietary file picker refuses to recognize the .sxc file.
Then right click on the file, and select "Open with ..."
That implies an assumption that's invalid here. The only file managers used here are OFMs. I don't "open" files that the OFM doesn't handle either natively or via pre-configured text-mode plugins. To open files dependent on GUI apps I open the appropriate app first, then the file.
Okay - that would work too. In openoffice click File->Open, optionally filter "Spreadsheets", then select the sxc file. Works fine on my ancient 10.3. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-03-01 09:26, Per Jessen wrote:
Okay - that would work too. In openoffice click File->Open, optionally filter "Spreadsheets", then select the sxc file. Works fine on my ancient 10.3.
Which probably is the trick, use 10.3. Some support for old files was removed. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. composed on 2016-03-01 10:29 (UTC+0100):
Per Jessen wrote:
Okay - that would work too. In openoffice click File->Open, optionally filter "Spreadsheets", then select the sxc file. Works fine on my ancient 10.3.
Which probably is the trick, use 10.3. Some support for old files was removed.
If I have anything 10.3 or older with OO installed. That would take some work to figure out. It's not software I routinely install. Last night I installed perl-Spreadsheet-ReadSXC, which I suppose must be designed for some sort of plugin procedure. I looked for non-programmer-speak instructions for its use while waiting for my thread starters to generate responses, but found nothing. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-03-01 09:26, Per Jessen wrote:
Okay - that would work too. In openoffice click File->Open, optionally filter "Spreadsheets", then select the sxc file. Works fine on my ancient 10.3.
Which probably is the trick, use 10.3. Some support for old files was removed.
I just wanted to be clear that I was testing on something ancient, but as I wrote yesterday, it works fine from Dolphin in both 13.2 and Leap, but I have not tried opening an sxc file from within libreoffice. I'll check later today. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-03-01 08:57, Felix Miata wrote:
That implies an assumption that's invalid here. The only file managers used here are OFMs. I don't "open" files that the OFM doesn't handle either natively or via pre-configured text-mode plugins. To open files dependent on GUI apps I open the appropriate app first, then the file.
IIRC, LibreOffice also has import file menu somewhere, not only open as. [...] Huh, no, no longer true. It must have been integrated in "open". There is "export", though. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
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