-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlos J. Muentes wrote:

I'd like to see Opera left out of 10.0. I personally don't like it very much.

What you personally like or dislike is not really a criteria for inclusion in the distribution. It's rather whether it's *supported* or not by the SUSE staff. At least that's currently what's decisive on whether some piece of software is included into SUSE Linux or not. Still, you could make your own distribution based on SUSE Linux OSS, and add what you like and remove what you don't like ;) Nevertheless, as far as Opera is concerned, the fact that it's ad-free or not doesn't make a difference. Shipping it as a package or not, as part of SUSE Linux or of a 3rd party repository, depends solely on its redistribution license: http://www.opera.com/distribute/ The license is not clear.. or rather, I couldn't find any information about it, neither a license. Well, maybe someone should contact them and ask what the redistribution conditions are: http://www.opera.com/distribute/ Still, it will never be part of SUSE Linux OSS, unless it's being released under an OpenSource license (which it is not). Someone could probably provide it in a 3rd party repository, but information is needed. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDMDncr3NMWliFcXcRAp/bAJwKI5NVRxW8IqdTVzvMwMNUrWJbFACgm5oI wpgGU2vH1ace16jSGgSz1xg= =eUFe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 houghi wrote:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 06:33:32PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:

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Still, it will never be part of SUSE Linux OSS, unless it's being released under an OpenSource license (which it is not). Someone could probably provide it in a 3rd party repository, but information is needed.

OK. I see where I went wrong. I run 9.1 and opera is included there. It never crossed my mind that that could have changed. Just checked and it is also included in 9.2 amd 9.3, so perhaps Novell has an agreement to include it in SUSE 10.0 and not 10.0 OSS.

Opera is proprietary and not OpenSource, so it won't be included in SUSE Linux OSS (I guess). Opera is "freely distributable" (I suppose), so it's the same as Realplayer, Adobe Reader, ... That's why it can be included in SUSE Linux 10.0 (retail box) but not into SUSE Linux OSS 10.0 ;) Well, maybe I'm wrong, but if so, then I'd be really confused about Novell's policy ;)) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDMEfhr3NMWliFcXcRAgFgAJ0binlcp96pkZpVtUK9VJnpQQOaMgCgpqPP 3EzmUvBnce7rwsJsiZfO0Nc= =vej2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Op dinsdag 20 september 2005 19:36, schreef Andreas Jaeger:

Pascal Bleser writes:

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Opera is proprietary and not OpenSource, so it won't be included in SUSE Linux OSS (I guess).

Opera is "freely distributable" (I suppose), so it's the same as Realplayer, Adobe Reader, ...

That's why it can be included in SUSE Linux 10.0 (retail box) but not into SUSE Linux OSS 10.0 ;)

Well, maybe I'm wrong, but if so, then I'd be really confused about Novell's policy ;))

you're right - and that's why we put it on ftp.suse.com in the extra directory together with other non-OSS stuff,

Andreas

I downloaded Opera on SUSE Linux 10 rc. Its no problem when Opera isn`t included, a download is just a easy way to do. So why border to place it on SUSE Linux 10.0 or SUSE Linux OSS 10.0. Ben

A version of bannerfree Opera is included in SL 10.0 (retail version, not OSS version of course). On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, houghi wrote:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 06:33:32PM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:

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Still, it will never be part of SUSE Linux OSS, unless it's being released under an OpenSource license (which it is not). Someone could probably provide it in a 3rd party repository, but information is needed.

OK. I see where I went wrong. I run 9.1 and opera is included there. It never crossed my mind that that could have changed. Just checked and it is also included in 9.2 amd 9.3, so perhaps Novell has an agreement to include it in SUSE 10.0 and not 10.0 OSS.

houghi

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Am Mittwoch, 21. September 2005 10:24 schrieb Peter Czanik:

Is there anyone, who was able to run it on PPC? If I install the static version, then the installation works, but the software does not work afterwards: czanik@linux:~> opera ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.

Hi Peter, no java for ppc :-( Neither on the isos nor on ftp. -- mdc

On Wednesday 21 September 2005 08:25 pm, BandiPat wrote:

On Wednesday 21 September 2005 07:46 pm, meister@netz00.com wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 21. September 2005 10:24 schrieb Peter Czanik:

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Is there anyone, who was able to run it on PPC? If I install the static version, then the installation works, but the software does not work afterwards: czanik@linux:~> opera ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.

Hi Peter,

no java for ppc :-( Neither on the isos nor on ftp.

-- mdc

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I'm answering my own question. Yes there is one from Blackdown, a 1.3 version presently, but they seem to be working on newer also. I would have thought that was included from the ftp to download. I wonder if IBM has anything newer, since they are so heavily vested in PPC? So all is not lost for PPC users, of which I might very well become since SuSE has again decided to provide it to us! :o) Lee

Marcel Mourguiart writes:

2005/9/20, Andreas Jaeger :

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houghi writes:

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Not sure if this still could make it into 10.0. Probably too late, but still.

Opera browser is available banner free: http://opera.com/free/

At Download, Linux you can select USE and they have versions for 7.x upwards. Perhaps the repo sites can include it.

We will include a banner free version of opera in 10.0 final. Note it will not be in the OSS edition but we've packaged it and will upload it with some other non-OSS packages,

Why not ?? there is no legal issues.

Opera is not OpenSource, so it will not be in our OSS (=OpenSourceSoftware) distribution - but we'll make it available... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126