[SLE] Very first impression of 10.1 boxed
Understand that I've only had 10.1 for about 18 hours now, but I've been a purchaser and user of Suse since 9.0, and I came from Redhat, and before that was Mandrake. And before that I did tech support at AT&T for and on unix. Not a linux newbie, is my point. The target system has run every version since 9.0 with absolutely no problems, no hardware changes. With 10.1, I've experienced something that I never have before - I crashed the installer twice and so far I seem to have no sound. Aside from that, I cannot connect to my laser printer (cups server on another box) which I've also never had a problem with before. And it is SLOW! 10.0 was notably faster, as was the 9.x series. Just as a guesstimate, a typical install of 10.0 ran me around 2.5 hours. 10.1 runs over 3.5 I haven't tried to install or use anything else yet, but if this is an indication, I don't have a good feeling about 10.1 at all. Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments, -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
I haven't tried to install or use anything else yet, but if this is an indication, I don't have a good feeling about 10.1 at all.
Mike, is this your most important system?? If yes then yeah do not go ahead as it sounds like you may be right and really have problems ... I personally have had a case with 9.2 where the installer would just not work with a specific graphics card that worked fine with other versions ... that did not stop me though I installed in text mode with horrible views even in that mode from memory of where all options are and once done it was a charm :). All I am try to say if it is a machine you cannot live without then hold back and do some investigation first if not ... you are using Linux right ... that makes you someone (in my mind at least) who is not afraid of change right?? I mean if you are afraid that things might crash show me one system os/program that never did for everyone that used it ... sofware will always crash and even when it does not people will still say it does not work 'cause they have the caps lock on or the keyboard is unplugged... sorry for the simplifications :) good luck, george -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:34:57 -0400, you wrote:
I haven't tried to install or use anything else yet, but if this is an indication, I don't have a good feeling about 10.1 at all.
Mike, is this your most important system?? If yes then yeah do not go ahead as it sounds like you may be right and really have problems ... I personally have had a case with 9.2 where the installer would just not work with a specific graphics card that worked fine with other versions ... that did not stop me though I installed in text mode with horrible views even in that mode from memory of where all options are and once done it was a charm :).
All I am try to say if it is a machine you cannot live without then hold back and do some investigation first if not ... you are using Linux right ... that makes you someone (in my mind at least) who is not afraid of change right?? I mean if you are afraid that things might crash show me one system os/program that never did for everyone that used it ... sofware will always crash and even when it does not people will still say it does not work 'cause they have the caps lock on or the keyboard is unplugged... sorry for the simplifications :)
good luck, george
Hi George, I'm not (quite) stupid enough to try a new version of anything on a critical system - I'm just fooling around with my own desktop right now. P4/3.5 Ghz, 2 Gb of ram, Nvidia 5700 video, a half dozen 250gb disks (half for linux LVMd, half for windows), Marvel miniport NIC, Soundblaster 5.1. Pretty standard stuff. I'm not giving up on SuSE yet by a long shot, but very much off the top this is the worst release I've seen from them. I purposely didn't install Xen and I disabled AppArmor as soon as possible, so where's the speed gone? I've already scrapped plans to upgrade my wife & son anytime soon. I'll get a chance to actually use it this weekend, I hope. I know I'm going to have vmware pain but if I can't figure out what they did to cups and why I'm suddenly running backwards there's going to be a loud sucking sound from the east coast of the US. Just venting (for now). Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments, -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
I'm not (quite) stupid enough to try a new version of anything on a critical system - I'm just fooling around with my own desktop right now. P4/3.5 Ghz, 2 Gb of ram, Nvidia 5700 video, a half dozen 250gb disks (half for linux LVMd, half for windows), Marvel miniport NIC, Soundblaster 5.1. Pretty standard stuff. I'm not giving up on SuSE yet by a long shot, but very much off the top this is the worst release I've seen from them. I purposely didn't install Xen and I disabled AppArmor as soon as possible, so where's the speed gone? I've already scrapped plans to upgrade my wife & son anytime soon.
I'll get a chance to actually use it this weekend, I hope. I know I'm going to have vmware pain but if I can't figure out what they did to cups and why I'm suddenly running backwards there's going to be a loud sucking sound from the east coast of the US.
Just venting (for now).
Mike- --
Hey Mike- I too have been using Linux for a while, SuSE since 6.2 and on many different hardware configurations. (I am an admin for a Linux exclusive ISP and a Unix admin for the government before that.) I just loaded 10.1 on an AMD 64 with an Nvidia 5200 card in it and had some problems due to the nvidia driver. The box would lock up when sax2 would start. What I did was install, did a hard reset when the system locked, booted into init 3 and built a new NVidia driver. After I did that Sax2 automatically installed it with hardware acceleration and auto detected my dual head setup using twinview. I thought that was the sweetest thing I have seen out of sax yet! Anyway.. I haven't noticed any speed issues. In fact in runs better than 10 did even with the neat 3d desktop. Are you just installing a standard KDE load? -- Matt Standish MSN Messenger: mps_@hotmail.com Yahoo Messenger: mattstandish@yahoo.com Google Talk: mstandish -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
I'm not (quite) stupid enough to try a new version of anything on a critical system
:-) I am sorry if I implied that ... I just wanted to give you a push to give a try.
- I'm just fooling around with my own desktop right now. P4/3.5 Ghz, 2 Gb of ram, Nvidia 5700 video, a half dozen 250gb disks (half for linux LVMd, half for windows), Marvel miniport NIC, Soundblaster 5.1. Pretty standard stuff. I'm not giving up on SuSE yet by a long shot, but very much off the top this is the worst release I've seen from them. I purposely didn't install Xen and I disabled AppArmor as soon as possible, so where's the speed gone?
I think Xen 3 gets installed by default as it functions as a hypervisor which needs to run at a lower level then the kernel. I clicked on the yast button and that is the message I got. I've
already scrapped plans to upgrade my wife & son anytime soon.
I'll get a chance to actually use it this weekend, I hope. I know I'm going to have vmware pain but if I can't figure out what they did to cups and why I'm suddenly running backwards there's going to be a loud sucking sound from the east coast of the US.
Just venting (for now).
venting is good I have had no major problems but the updates (apt works for me) and I like the new kde everything looks nice and in a few months when the updates are fixed the whole system will work the way I am used and expect it to. and maybe then I will start using it for servers etc. :)
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:25:20 -0400, you wrote:
I'm not (quite) stupid enough to try a new version of anything on a critical system
:-) I am sorry if I implied that ... I just wanted to give you a push to give a try.
No offense taken - I understood you. 8-)>
- I'm just fooling around with my own desktop right now. P4/3.5 Ghz, 2 Gb of ram, Nvidia 5700 video, a half dozen 250gb disks (half for linux LVMd, half for windows), Marvel miniport NIC, Soundblaster 5.1. Pretty standard stuff. I'm not giving up on SuSE yet by a long shot, but very much off the top this is the worst release I've seen from them. I purposely didn't install Xen and I disabled AppArmor as soon as possible, so where's the speed gone?
I think Xen 3 gets installed by default as it functions as a hypervisor which needs to run at a lower level then the kernel. I clicked on the yast button and that is the message I got.
<banging head on desk>. That explains everything except why Novell was stupid enough to ship this mess. I thought they tested this stuff before they shipped!
I've
already scrapped plans to upgrade my wife & son anytime soon.
I'll get a chance to actually use it this weekend, I hope. I know I'm going to have vmware pain but if I can't figure out what they did to cups and why I'm suddenly running backwards there's going to be a loud sucking sound from the east coast of the US.
Just venting (for now).
venting is good I have had no major problems but the updates (apt works for me) and I like the new kde everything looks nice and in a few months when the updates are fixed the whole system will work the way I am used and expect it to. and maybe then I will start using it for servers etc. :)
I'm now angry enough that I've downloaded Fedora 5 and Kubuntu to look at on a test system. I couldn't use 10.0 on a server because of the size wraparound bug in the LVM installer, and unless they ship me a new disk with an installer that installs I can't use 10.1 on anything. I absolutely refuse to go production with a distro that doesn't install without human sacrifice. Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments, -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
I'm now angry enough that I've downloaded Fedora 5 and Kubuntu to look at on a test system. I couldn't use 10.0 on a server because of the size wraparound bug in the LVM installer, and unless they ship me a new disk with an installer that installs I can't use 10.1 on anything. I absolutely refuse to go production with a distro that doesn't install without human sacrifice.
I was successfull in implementing one update 10.1 (boxed) a few days ago with the "updator" and it worked, but I in YaST the other day to see that updates that I had applied using apt display as needing to be updated but when I check them of and click accept nothing gets downloaded and just runs through the set up scripts it normally does. I saw some people mentioning here that a fresh install fixed all of those problems. Of course you problem is quite different so I do not know I am writing this here ... anyway post back and let us know if any of the other distro's faired better. I saw a note in tux magazin that Linspire will be releasing Freespire version with all the dvd stuff in that maybe good for a desktop or laptop but probably not a server. good luck. george
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Michael W Cocke wrote:
The target system has run every version since 9.0 with absolutely no problems, no hardware changes
In my opinion, in such case, the only reason to change system is security updates (2 years). I'm a heavy user of very old hardware (for my club, gift hardware) and SUSE get moving with new hardware, so on some computers I can install 10.0 on I couldn't do so for 10.1. I have the project to work on this (the "SUPER/SLICK" project-see the wiki), but it's only a project for now. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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