On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 00:29, Don Raboud wrote:

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If I go to YaST, Network, and set it back to Traditional ifup, then network comes up immediately.  I can then switch it back to NetworkManager, and network stays working, and I've got full access to all features of the NetworkManager until the next logout/reboot when I lose network again until I manually cycle it to Traditional and back to NetworkManager.

So.... any thoughts on solving this one?  It's a minor inconvenience since I don't restart or logout often, but.... it's something I'd like to resolve if I can.

Not sure it if related, but do you have plasmoid-networkmanagement installed instead of KNetworkManager?

According to

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_upgrade

plasmoid-networkmanagement should be used from KDE45 onwards, but I've done several installs of 11.4 and I always get KNetworkManager instead.

Not sure if it will help, but it might.

I double checked, and it's using the plasmoid instead of KNetwork manager - possibly because it was a clean install vs upgrade? I like the plasmoid (offers a LOT more information about your conenction) over the old KNetworkManager. I wonder... I'll have ot go poke the bug reports to see ifthere is a known issue with the plasmoid... oddly though, I'm using the same install on my laptop, and there the plasmoid is working fine to manage VPNs, wired NIC and WiFi. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:07, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Not sure it if related, but do you have plasmoid-networkmanagement installed instead of KNetworkManager?

[snip]

What's the name of this widget?

It shows up in YaST as plasmoid-networkmanagement. (see the relevant part of Don's comment above) I got it as part of the default KDE4 install off the openSUSE 11.4 KDE LiveCD - I didn't have to select it or manually install it. Oddly... I don't remember getting the widget when I did a DVD install of 11.4. Hmmm.. maybe it's time to test that at home tonight. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 28/03/11 14:48, Stan Goodman wrote:
> On Monday 28 March 2011 at 15:31:05 (GMT+2) C  wrote:
>> [snip]
>> It shows up in YaST as plasmoid-networkmanagement.  (see the relevant
>> part of Don's comment above)  I got it as part of the default  KDE4
>> install off the openSUSE 11.4 KDE LiveCD - I didn't have to select it
>> or manually install it.
> It did not install on the v11.4 (clean install) laptop here; the
> checkmark in YaST is open, no mark.
Odd if true; it is definitely "recommended" by 
patterns-openSUSE-kde4_basis, which is what you get if you choose KDE at 
install time. So it should always be present on any clean install.
> So, at least in my case, what has
> been so troublesome here is knetworkmanager. I'll try installing the
> "plasmoid" thing when I'm back in a couple of weeks, when the inevitable
> disruptions won't be a critical problem.
>
> If this "plasmoid" is a kde4 widget, like other kde4 widgets that would
> be listed in "Add other widgets", why does it appear only in YaST,
> rather than in "Add other widgets" where I looked for it
> unsucccessfully?
The "add widgets" only has access to widgets you've got installed on 
your local system already. You can get widgets/plasmoids onto your 
machine system-wide via traditional package managers OR per-user by GHNS 
- the "Get New Widgets" button in the "Add other widgets" dialogue. 
plasmoid-networkmanagement is provided via rpm as it's a pretty core 
part of the desktop.

Regards,
Tejas

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On 28/03/11 12:52, Anton Aylward wrote:

... and the plasmoid leaves a black blotch on my screen with a red "X" and the message

This object could not be created for the following reason:

Could not find requested component: org.kde.networkmanagement

While I understand that I don't know know what to do about it.

That looks to me like some package is missing You need NetworkManager-kde4 NetworkManager-kde4-libs plasmoid-networkmanagement Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 28/03/11 13:35, Anton Aylward wrote:

Tejas Guruswamy said the following on 03/28/2011 08:11 AM:

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... and the plasmoid leaves a black blotch on my screen with a red "X" and the message

This object could not be created for the following reason:

Could not find requested component: org.kde.networkmanagement

While I understand that I don't know know what to do about it. That looks to me like some package is missing You need NetworkManager-kde4 NetworkManager-kde4-libs

On 28/03/11 12:52, Anton Aylward wrote: plasmoid-networkmanagement Yes. I paid attention when I installed the plasmoid just now and those were included. I've also verified that with 'zypper search' and 'rpm -qa | egrep ....'

Except ...

# zypper install NetworkManager-kde4 Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies...

Problem: NetworkManager-kde4-0.9.svn1192577-8.10.i586 conflicts with plasmoid-networkmanagement provided by plasmoid-networkmanagement-0.9.svn1192577-8.10.i586 Solution 1: Following actions will be done: deinstallation of plasmoid-networkmanagement-0.9.svn1192577-8.10.i586 install NetworkManager-kde4-libs-0.9.svn1192577-8.10.i586 (with vendor change) openSUSE --> obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE Solution 2: do not install NetworkManager-kde4-0.9.svn1192577-8.10.i586 My mistake, if you're using the plasmoid you don't need NetworkManager-kde4, the conflict is correct.

If you've got plasmoid-networkmanagement and NetworkManager-kde4-libs installed correctly (be sure to check their versions match exactly, and they're from the same repo as the rest of your KDE install), you should have the files /usr/share/kde4/services/kded/networkmanagement.desktop /usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkmanagement.so providing your missing service "org.kde.networkmanagement". Can you check they exist / are readable / etc? Another thing to check is if you open KDE System Settings, and choose (the rather mysteriously named) "Information Sources", does selecting "NetworkManager" as the backend make a difference? Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 28/03/11 15:12, Anton Aylward wrote:

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[snip] My mistake, if you're using the plasmoid you don't need NetworkManager-kde4, the conflict is correct.

If you've got plasmoid-networkmanagement and NetworkManager-kde4-libs installed correctly (be sure to check their versions match exactly, and they're from the same repo as the rest of your KDE install), I get # rpm -q -a | grep -i networkmanage NetworkManager-kde4-libs-0.9.svn1192577-8.10.i586

Tejas Guruswamy said the following on 03/28/2011 09:25 AM: plasmoid-networkmanagement-0.9.svn1192577-8.10.i586 ....

so that looks OK.

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you should have the files /usr/share/kde4/services/kded/networkmanagement.desktop Yes, its there, is readable and looks fine /usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkmanagement.so # file /usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkmanagement.so /usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkmanagement.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped # ls -l /usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkmanagement.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 13912 2011-02-23 02:39 /usr/lib/kde4/kded_networkmanagement.so

which seems OK

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providing your missing service "org.kde.networkmanagement". Can you check they exist / are readable / etc? So that's not the problem.

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Another thing to check is if you open KDE System Settings, and choose (the rather mysteriously named) "Information Sources", does selecting "NetworkManager" as the backend make a difference? Odd that, yes.

It says that its using NetworkManager 0.7

NOT 0.9 It says the same on my working system, so that's not the issue. Sorry, I'm stumped. I don't know where you're getting your KDE packages from - maybe try switching back to vanilla 11.4 + KDE 4.6.0? If all the packages are correct the next debugging step is digging into KDE internals - see if you can catch Will S's attention (maybe on the kde list).

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On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:00, C wrote:

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 09:44, C wrote:

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On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 00:29, Don Raboud wrote:

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If I go to YaST, Network, and set it back to Traditional ifup, then network comes up immediately.  I can then switch it back to NetworkManager, and network stays working, and I've got full access to all features of the NetworkManager until the next logout/reboot when I lose network again until I manually cycle it to Traditional and back to NetworkManager.

So.... any thoughts on solving this one?  It's a minor inconvenience since I don't restart or logout often, but.... it's something I'd like to resolve if I can.

Not sure it if related, but do you have plasmoid-networkmanagement installed instead of KNetworkManager?

According to

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_upgrade

plasmoid-networkmanagement should be used from KDE45 onwards, but I've done several installs of 11.4 and I always get KNetworkManager instead.

Not sure if it will help, but it might.

I double checked, and it's using the plasmoid instead of KNetwork manager - possibly because it was a clean install vs upgrade?  I like the plasmoid (offers a LOT more information about your conenction) over the old KNetworkManager.  I wonder... I'll have ot go poke the bug reports to see ifthere is a known issue with the plasmoid... oddly though, I'm using the same install on my laptop, and there the plasmoid is working fine to manage VPNs, wired NIC and WiFi.

No progress on this yet.  I'm still having an issue with the Network Manager plasmoid - haven't tried switching back to the old KNetworkManager (I'd rather use the plasmoid).  A second machine running the same basic 11.4/KDE4 install is not showing the same issue.... so I'm still stumped on this

Hmmmm.... I've reinstalled everything on a second computer - clean install from the 11.4 KDE LiveCD, and the NetworkManager plasmoid definitely does not work after boot (but will work if you manually cycle the network after startup) if you set to use NetworkManager instead of Traditional ifup. If I switch back to the old KNetworkManager, everything works as expected. I can open a bug report... any suggestions for what log files to include? Is no one else seeing this? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org