Is it me, or is anyone else getting message undeliverable errors for a 'lwatcdr@eclipsecat.com' address when posting to this list? -- Preston Kutzner
El Jue 24 Mar 2005 15:33, Preston Kutzner escribió:
Is it me, or is anyone else getting message undeliverable errors for a 'lwatcdr@eclipsecat.com' address when posting to this list?
It isn't just you... -- Andreas Philipp Noema Ltda. Bogotá, D.C. - Colombia http://www.noemasol.com
The Thursday 2005-03-24 at 14:55 -0600, Preston Kutzner wrote:
I've sent an email informing the list owner of the problem.
It is getting very weird, the message has suddenly changed - they are parsing the inside of our mails: |Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:35:40 -0500 (EST) |From: MAILER-DAEMON@bounced-mail.com |To: Carlos E. R. |MAILER-DAEMON@bounced-mail.com |Subject: Error condition re: your 'change' request | |Hi, R.. | |The following request has been received from you: |> change, I think). The other directories of "/dvd/" are not needed | |A proper response to your request is not available at this time, |due to the following configuration error: | | *** Not found in configuration file: .MESSAGE NOCHANGE | |To verify your transaction, please contact the owner: | | MAILER-DAEMON@bounced-mail.com | | |Sorry about the inconvenience. |__________________________________________________________________ |MReply is Copyrighted (C) 1993-94 by Tor Slettnes <tor@netcom.com> | -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 15:33, Preston Kutzner wrote:
Is it me, or is anyone else getting message undeliverable errors for a 'lwatcdr@eclipsecat.com' address when posting to this list?
Yes, so much that I filtered on them to Delete!
The Thursday 2005-03-24 at 14:33 -0600, Preston Kutzner wrote:
Is it me, or is anyone else getting message undeliverable errors for a 'lwatcdr@eclipsecat.com' address when posting to this list?
Please report bounces to the list owner (see faq) - if you report them here they might not know about it: Q5. How do I contact a human regarding problems with list? A5. Email suse-linux-e-owner@suse... -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 17:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2005-03-24 at 14:33 -0600, Preston Kutzner wrote:
Is it me, or is anyone else getting message undeliverable errors for a 'lwatcdr@eclipsecat.com' address when posting to this list?
Please report bounces to the list owner (see faq) - if you report them here they might not know about it:
Q5. How do I contact a human regarding problems with list? A5. Email suse-linux-e-owner@suse...
It's not the list bouncing them Carlos, it's the address listed by the OP. Mike
* Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln@mnsi.net> [03-25-05 13:40]:
It's not the list bouncing them Carlos, it's the address listed by the OP.
If you do not notify the list-owner the bounce is happening, he/she will not know to unsub the guilty party. If the guilty party is unsub-ed, that address will not be bouncing msgs. A little thought *is* necessary. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln@mnsi.net> [03-25-05 13:40]:
It's not the list bouncing them Carlos, it's the address listed by the OP.
If you do not notify the list-owner the bounce is happening, he/she will not know to unsub the guilty party. If the guilty party is unsub-ed, that address will not be bouncing msgs.
A little thought *is* necessary.
Got you, finally. Dumping the address from the list will kill the bounces. I was thinking of a more at the source (address) of the problem solution.
The Friday 2005-03-25 at 14:03 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln@mnsi.net> [03-25-05 13:40]:
It's not the list bouncing them Carlos, it's the address listed by the OP.
If you do not notify the list-owner the bounce is happening, he/she will not know to unsub the guilty party. If the guilty party is unsub-ed, that address will not be bouncing msgs.
A little thought *is* necessary.
Got you, finally. Dumping the address from the list will kill the bounces. I was thinking of a more at the source (address) of the problem solution.
It is like this: - We send to the list server. - The list server sends one email to each lister. - One of the listers is missconfigured or whatever, and bounces back to the OP. We can not notify the bouncer in any way, because anything we send him will bounce. We could perhaps notify his mail administrator, if the bounce message gives enough information - but we don't know if he is bonafide. That mail administrator should perhaps know that they shouldn't so easily bounce back list mails (there are a "Mailing-List" and a "Precedence: bulk" headers). So the only alternative is to inform this mail list administrator, a human. It is unfortunate that nobody reads them at SuSE on holidays. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 20:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2005-03-25 at 14:03 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln@mnsi.net> [03-25-05 13:40]:
It's not the list bouncing them Carlos, it's the address listed by the OP.
If you do not notify the list-owner the bounce is happening, he/she will not know to unsub the guilty party. If the guilty party is unsub-ed, that address will not be bouncing msgs.
A little thought *is* necessary.
Got you, finally. Dumping the address from the list will kill the bounces. I was thinking of a more at the source (address) of the problem solution.
It is like this: - We send to the list server. - The list server sends one email to each lister. - One of the listers is missconfigured or whatever, and bounces back to the OP.
We can not notify the bouncer in any way, because anything we send him will bounce.
We could perhaps notify his mail administrator, if the bounce message gives enough information - but we don't know if he is bonafide.
True, but I took the chance and fired one off to what I hope is the postmaster of the site and not address that shows on the bounced postings.
That mail administrator should perhaps know that they shouldn't so easily bounce back list mails (there are a "Mailing-List" and a "Precedence: bulk" headers).
So the only alternative is to inform this mail list administrator, a human. It is unfortunate that nobody reads them at SuSE on holidays.
Mike
Preston Kutzner wrote:
Is it me, or is anyone else getting message undeliverable errors for a 'lwatcdr@eclipsecat.com' address when posting to this list?
What is even worse is the fact that we are receiving these bounce messages at all. The return path on all messages in this list is of the form suse-linux-e-return-<msgID>-<subscriber email>@suse.com and that is where these bounce messages should be getting sent, not to the originator and/or the reply address. I too have informed the list owner, but just now have rceived a couple more of these bounces. Just keep sending them in,and when the list dude returns from his Easter vacation, he will have a few thousand emails to read :-)
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 08:02 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Preston Kutzner wrote:
What is even worse is the fact that we are receiving these bounce messages at all. The return path on all messages in this list is of the form suse-linux-e-return-<msgID>-<subscriber email>@suse.com and that is where these bounce messages should be getting sent, not to the originator and/or the reply address. But as discussed on this list before a normal reply does not go to the list but to the sender. Auto systems won't be clever enough to do a "reply to list". No I'm most defiantly not trying to restart that debate Since this is my first posting in a while I suspect I will receive a bounce message. Regards Roger
Roger Beever wrote:
On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 08:02 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
What is even worse is the fact that we are receiving these bounce messages at all. The return path on all messages in this list is of the form suse-linux-e-return-<msgID>-<subscriber email>@suse.com and that is where these bounce messages should be getting sent, not to the originator and/or the reply address.
But as discussed on this list before a normal reply does not go to the list but to the sender. Auto systems won't be clever enough to do a "reply to list".
The bounce should not be to the actual mailing list. If there is a "return path" in the header, that is where the message is supposed to be bounced. All mail sent out by the list server contains a return path, which you will note from my message is not the same as the mailing list address. Otherwise, a bounced message goes to the reply-to address, or the sender, in that order of preference.
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