[opensuse] Does a CANON - MX494 4IN1 INKJET PRINTER work?
Hi, does anybody know how well a canon mx494 works on openSUSE:Leap:15.0 Thanks Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/10/2018 12.59, Dave Plater wrote:
Hi, does anybody know how well a canon mx494 works on openSUSE:Leap:15.0
Don't buy Canon printers if you intend to use it on Linux. Simple as that. (years ago I had one. I had to buy support from Turboprint) Anyway, look here for official status: http://www.openprinting.org/printers http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/Canon It is not there. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 09/10/2018 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 09/10/2018 12.59, Dave Plater wrote:
Hi, does anybody know how well a canon mx494 works on openSUSE:Leap:15.0
Don't buy Canon printers if you intend to use it on Linux. Simple as that.
many Canon printers works perfectly the gutenprint mailing list may also give significant help. I had once to send them some info and they send me my driver! I only had bough a new printer with some change fro the old one that the devs didn't have. They where even grateful to have the info (and me very glad to have the driver) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/10/2018 14:55, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
many Canon printers works perfectly
This. I have got several PIXMA devices working perfectly before now. The statement under "Linux" here is worth noting. https://www.canon.co.uk/support/consumer_products/operating_system_informati... I.e. _Some_ devices _are_ officially supported, have drivers and do work. But you're mostly on your own. Which, of course, is 100% normal for Linux! ;-) -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/10/2018 14.55, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 09/10/2018 à 14:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 09/10/2018 12.59, Dave Plater wrote:
Hi, does anybody know how well a canon mx494 works on openSUSE:Leap:15.0
Don't buy Canon printers if you intend to use it on Linux. Simple as that.
many Canon printers works perfectly
Many only with proprietary drivers supplied by Canon, and only while they provide them.
the gutenprint mailing list may also give significant help. I had once to send them some info and they send me my driver! I only had bough a new printer with some change fro the old one that the devs didn't have. They where even grateful to have the info (and me very glad to have the driver)
Well, yes, they are the people to ask. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 09/10/2018 à 15:50, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Many only with proprietary drivers supplied by Canon, and only while they provide them.
nope, I speak of free drivers from gutenprint
the gutenprint mailing list may also give significant help. I had once to send them some info and they send me my driver! I only had bough a new printer with some change fro the old one that the devs didn't have. They where even grateful to have the info (and me very glad to have the driver)
Well, yes, they are the people to ask.
-- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/10/2018 16.06, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 09/10/2018 à 15:50, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Many only with proprietary drivers supplied by Canon, and only while they provide them.
nope, I speak of free drivers from gutenprint
Well, the printer mentioned in the OP is not listed by them. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Le 09/10/2018 à 16:29, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 09/10/2018 16.06, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 09/10/2018 à 15:50, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Many only with proprietary drivers supplied by Canon, and only while they provide them.
nope, I speak of free drivers from gutenprint
Well, the printer mentioned in the OP is not listed by them.
so why ask them. Not sure it will work, but may be they simply don't know it jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/10/18 11:49 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/10/2018 12.59, Dave Plater wrote:
Hi, does anybody know how well a canon mx494 works on openSUSE:Leap:15.0 Don't buy Canon printers if you intend to use it on Linux. Simple as that.
Absolutely. Consider either EPSON or HP brand. Years ago, in a moment of total ignorance and mental instability I bought a new, you-beaut Canon printer -- and immediately gave it to a friend who used Windows and then bought myself an HP. But now have only Epson (a photo printer (XP-960) and a scanner (V550)).
(years ago I had one. I had to buy support from Turboprint)
Vuescan is far better IMHO ('cause I own the Pro version :-)).
Anyway, look here for official status:
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/Canon
It is not there.
BC -- "One of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water". Donald Trump's observation on Hurricane Florence, 19 September 2018. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/09/2018 07:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 9/10/18 11:49 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/10/2018 12.59, Dave Plater wrote:
Hi, does anybody know how well a canon mx494 works on openSUSE:Leap:15.0 Don't buy Canon printers if you intend to use it on Linux. Simple as that.
Absolutely. Consider either EPSON or HP brand.
Years ago, in a moment of total ignorance and mental instability I bought a new, you-beaut Canon printer -- and immediately gave it to a friend who used Windows and then bought myself an HP. But now have only Epson (a photo printer (XP-960) and a scanner (V550)). /snip/
Epson may be problematical. I have a really nice Epson WP-4530, which works perfectly, has good long-life ink, and does everything, including color, two-side printing, FAX, scan, and copy and has usable manual controls for scanning, FAX, etc., as well as being usable from the computer in Linux or Windows. But I've had it for several years--don't know what they're selling now. HOWEVER: I bought an Epson color printer, model disremembered, for 11"x17" color printing, and it was impossible to calibrate, and the user interface was MINIMAL, to say the least. Also, the ink cartridges were very small and had a very limited life--I used one up just trying to calibrate the thing. I gave it away! Take a look in a Staples or someplace at whatever model you might be interested in, and ask questions. It's possible that the minimalist design has spread throughout the lineup. I now have an HP that not only does 11"x17", it will also scan and copy without any problems at all, including scanning the full size. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/10/2018 03.01, Doug wrote:
I now have an HP that not only does 11"x17", it will also scan and copy without any problems at all, including scanning the full size.
I helped some friends purchasing a printer. The decision was on an HP do it all. We thought that it would not do good OCR, but I tried it. I placed a two column brochure on the glass, and out we got a .rtf document with all the formatting correct. I could only find a single letter wrong! Only one! A "P" confused with "R", because it was underlined and had a little dot at the spot where the tail of the "R" would be. I was really surprised. In Windows, of course... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 10/10/18 12:01 pm, Doug wrote:
On 10/09/2018 07:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 9/10/18 11:49 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi, does anybody know how well a canon mx494 works on openSUSE:Leap:15.0 Don't buy Canon printers if you intend to use it on Linux. Simple as
On 09/10/2018 12.59, Dave Plater wrote: that.
Absolutely. Consider either EPSON or HP brand.
Years ago, in a moment of total ignorance and mental instability I bought a new, you-beaut Canon printer -- and immediately gave it to a friend who used Windows and then bought myself an HP. But now have only Epson (a photo printer (XP-960) and a scanner (V550)). /snip/
Epson may be problematical. I have a really nice Epson WP-4530, which works perfectly, has good long-life ink, and does everything, including color, two-side printing, FAX, scan, and copy and has usable manual controls for scanning, FAX, etc., as well as being usable from the computer in Linux or Windows. But I've had it for several years--don't know what they're selling now.
HOWEVER: I bought an Epson color printer, model disremembered, for 11"x17" color printing, and it was impossible to calibrate, and the user interface was MINIMAL, to say the least. Also, the ink cartridges were very small and had a very limited life--I used one up just trying to calibrate the thing. I gave it away! Take a look in a Staples or someplace at whatever model you might be interested in, and ask questions. It's possible that the minimalist design has spread throughout the lineup.
Which is why I usually spend a couple of days looking at the specs and reading reviews of whatever-I-intend-to-buy before deciding in the morning after I has slept on the matter on which to buy :-). Some years ago a friend (now unfortunately deceased) bought the Epson Stylus R2000 printer but then added a 'gizmo' which came from a company in the USA which fed the various inks not from the usual cartridges but via tubes from bottles which made it far more economical to run than buying cartridges. I now don't recall the name of the ink company which supplied that addition to the printer (?The Ink Company?). Also, if you want to have archival quality prints then use pigment-based inks in your printer -- the dyes aren't archival material.
I now have an HP that not only does 11"x17", it will also scan and copy without any problems at all, including scanning the full size.
--doug
BC -- "One of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water". Donald Trump's observation on Hurricane Florence, 19 September 2018. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/10/2018 14:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/10/2018 12.59, Dave Plater wrote:
Hi, does anybody know how well a canon mx494 works on openSUSE:Leap:15.0
Don't buy Canon printers if you intend to use it on Linux. Simple as that.
(years ago I had one. I had to buy support from Turboprint)
Anyway, look here for official status:
http://www.openprinting.org/printers
http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/Canon
It is not there.
It's not there but there are drivers available at the link given by Liam. I had a canon pixma i something and it worked seamlessly with openSUSE, only couldn't make CD labels but could still print them. The only thing I don't like about HP printers is the one use cartridges with the integrated print head but maybe nowadays they've changed the system. I suppose if the printer part is a problem the scanner part will be even worse. Thanks Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/10/2018 04.43, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 10/10/18 12:01 pm, Doug wrote:
On 10/09/2018 07:41 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 9/10/18 11:49 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 09/10/2018 12.59, Dave Plater wrote:
...
HOWEVER: I bought an Epson color printer, model disremembered, for 11"x17" color printing, and it was impossible to calibrate, and the user interface was MINIMAL, to say the least. Also, the ink cartridges were very small and had a very limited life--I used one up just trying to calibrate the thing. I gave it away! Take a look in a Staples or someplace at whatever model you might be interested in, and ask questions. It's possible that the minimalist design has spread throughout the lineup.
Which is why I usually spend a couple of days looking at the specs and reading reviews of whatever-I-intend-to-buy before deciding in the morning after I has slept on the matter on which to buy :-).
Yep :-)
Some years ago a friend (now unfortunately deceased) bought the Epson Stylus R2000 printer but then added a 'gizmo' which came from a company in the USA which fed the various inks not from the usual cartridges but via tubes from bottles which made it far more economical to run than buying cartridges. I now don't recall the name of the ink company which supplied that addition to the printer (?The Ink Company?).
I have seen those things.
Also, if you want to have archival quality prints then use pigment-based inks in your printer -- the dyes aren't archival material.
I wouldn't know what they use for ink, they don't say and don't give a choice. Anyway, nowdays I use a laser printer. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))
On 13/10/2018 04:43, Basil Chupin wrote:
Some years ago a friend (now unfortunately deceased) bought the Epson Stylus R2000 printer but then added a 'gizmo' which came from a company in the USA which fed the various inks not from the usual cartridges but via tubes from bottles which made it far more economical to run than buying cartridges. I now don't recall the name of the ink company which supplied that addition to the printer (?The Ink Company?).
I had a client with such a setup. Epson may not have officially supported it, but the company did nothing to block it, making their printers favourites in the repro/graphic-design markets, and ideal for small-run commercial jobs. However I *think* only the pro models supported it, and due to commercial pressures, the company basically had to block such use of its low-end home-market devices. Cheap printers are sold under what's known as the "Gillette model". The actual hardware is sold at a loss -- like Gillette razors -- but the print cartridges (ink or toner) are marked up so high that all the profit comes from them, as it does from Gillette's razor blade cartridges. Q.v. https://boingboing.net/2005/09/14/gillettes-5blade-raz.html Basically all the claims about using special inks or special paper are marketing lies. Some 3rd party inks and media are superior to the manufacturers' options, as Trusted Reviews' "Inkjet Investigation" shows. http://www.bizintouch.com/sampleemails/TrustedReviewInkStudy_MichaelMansy.ht... http://www.cartridgeworldsa.com/business-direct-trusted-reviews/index.html (Sadly the domain name has been acquired and the article removed. Small disclaimer -- TR was staffed by former colleagues of mine, whose integrity I trusted, although I never wrote for them myself.) Due to the markup, plain black printer ink (in its special magic cartridge with a chip to measure use and ensure you don't refill it) is the 8th most expensive liquid in the world. http://www.bbcnewshub.com/the-10-most-expensive-liquids-in-the-world-2018/ -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/10/18 8:37 pm, Liam Proven wrote:
On 13/10/2018 04:43, Basil Chupin wrote:
Some years ago a friend (now unfortunately deceased) bought the Epson Stylus R2000 printer but then added a 'gizmo' which came from a company in the USA which fed the various inks not from the usual cartridges but via tubes from bottles which made it far more economical to run than buying cartridges. I now don't recall the name of the ink company which supplied that addition to the printer (?The Ink Company?). I had a client with such a setup.
Epson may not have officially supported it, but the company did nothing to block it, making their printers favourites in the repro/graphic-design markets, and ideal for small-run commercial jobs.
However I *think* only the pro models supported it, and due to commercial pressures, the company basically had to block such use of its low-end home-market devices.
Cheap printers are sold under what's known as the "Gillette model". The actual hardware is sold at a loss -- like Gillette razors -- but the print cartridges (ink or toner) are marked up so high that all the profit comes from them, as it does from Gillette's razor blade cartridges.
Q.v. https://boingboing.net/2005/09/14/gillettes-5blade-raz.html
Basically all the claims about using special inks or special paper are marketing lies. Some 3rd party inks and media are superior to the manufacturers' options, as Trusted Reviews' "Inkjet Investigation" shows.
http://www.bizintouch.com/sampleemails/TrustedReviewInkStudy_MichaelMansy.ht...
http://www.cartridgeworldsa.com/business-direct-trusted-reviews/index.html
(Sadly the domain name has been acquired and the article removed. Small disclaimer -- TR was staffed by former colleagues of mine, whose integrity I trusted, although I never wrote for them myself.)
Due to the markup, plain black printer ink (in its special magic cartridge with a chip to measure use and ensure you don't refill it) is the 8th most expensive liquid in the world.
http://www.bbcnewshub.com/the-10-most-expensive-liquids-in-the-world-2018/
Thanks, Liam, for this informative URL ... but who the heck wrote the article? :-) I mean, to give just one example of the grammar used: <quote> ...there are many types of Scorpion on earth but only 25 species have venom that which can be used to lethal humans,... </quote> :-) BC -- "One of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water". Donald Trump's observation on Hurricane Florence, 19 September 2018. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/10/2018 08:19, Basil Chupin wrote:
Thanks, Liam, for this informative URL ... but who the heck wrote the article? :-) I mean, to give just one example of the grammar used:
<quote>
...there are many types of Scorpion on earth but only 25 species have venom that which can be used to lethal humans,...
</quote>
:-)
I never even noticed! :-o Mind you, such things can happen due to clumsy editing. I've done it myself. You rephrase something, remove a few words to make it shorter, and accidentally break syntax. It's why you can't really edit your own writing. (Or at least not until you've forgotten what you wrote.) You know what you _mean_ to say so you miss broken bits... -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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