[opensuse] Re: YaST appears 'squished'
On 12/14/2012 04:38 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
It looks like that every time I open an app from YaST in XFCE, regardless of how I resize it.
What do you get from output of 'xrdb -query | grep dpi'?
No results whatsoever, either as regular user or as root.
What do you get from output of 'xdpyinfo | grep resolution'?
96x96 dpi
What DPI is reported on http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html in a Gecko browser?
96
That image makes me think you have more than one problem, and the YaST Software window may be at least partially a side effect of a bigger problem. That image looks like it was taken of a full desktop, but it's a 1024x576 pixel (still 16:9, same as 1600x900) image.
I checked the display setting from inside KDE and XFCE... both report the monitor as 1600x900. I ran the Hardware Probe module from YaST, and it shows the monitor resources as being 1600x900 as well. I don't know if it makes a difference or not... but this system has two video controllers - one is an Intel HD 4000, and the other is an nVidia NVS 5400M. Honestly I'm not really sure which does what, other than they seem to 'just work' and they give *very* good performance (by my standards, anyways) under Win 7 Pro. No problems yet under other distros (Mint, Scientific, etc.).
It may be that XFCE/Xorg and YaST are somehow out of sync on screen resolution. The systemsettings window seems appropriate for its surroundings, but the YaST Software window obviously is as you say, insanely small.
Has your $HOME been used with Gnome3 or a late version of Gnome2?
Nope. The first time I posted about this was after a fresh install of nothing but XFCE. Had to fool around with some partitions and what not (going for quad boot) and re-installed, this time with a default KDE install and then from the Software Manager installed the patterns for XFCE. Whatever GNOME there is on this system got pulled in as a dependency, nothing more. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-12-17 21:03 (GMT-0800) Monte Milanuk composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
What do you get from output of 'xdpyinfo | grep resolution'?
96x96 dpi
What DPI is reported on http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html in a Gecko browser?
96
I don't know if it makes a difference or not... but this system has two video controllers - one is an Intel HD 4000, and the other is an nVidia NVS 5400M.
It could be a component of the problem.
Honestly I'm not really sure which does what, other than they seem to 'just work' and they give *very* good performance (by my standards, anyways) under Win 7 Pro.
Is your Win7 configured to 120 DPI in display settings, or 96?
No problems yet under other distros (Mint, Scientific, etc.).
But they don't have YaST2. Please save http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/xorg.conf-1600x0900x120 as /etc/X11/xorg.conf, restart X, run that same list of commands, then report back your overall results impression, a URL to your current /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old, a URL to your /var/log/Xorg.0.log generated upon starting X using the xorg.conf file, and a new screenshot URL that includes YaST2 Software Management. It's probably time to file a bug after this, but I may want to try to run XFCE here to see if I can reproduce first, which would probably best be done via a fresh 12.2 with XFCE installation. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-12-18 00:52 (GMT-0500) Felix Miata composed:
It's probably time to file a bug after this, but I may want to try to run XFCE here to see if I can reproduce first, which would probably best be done via a fresh 12.2 with XFCE installation.
I added a 120 DPI XFCE 1600x900 screenshot to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=793565 instead of opening another bug. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/17/2012 09:52 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Is your Win7 configured to 120 DPI in display settings, or 96?
It was whatever the original default settings were, which turned out to be 96 dpi.
Please save http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/xorg.conf-1600x0900x120 as /etc/X11/xorg.conf, restart X, run that same list of commands,
monte@machin-shin:~> su Password: machin-shin:/home/monte # xrdb -query | grep dpi machin-shin:/home/monte # xdpyinfo | grep resolution resolution: 121x120 dots per inch machin-shin:/home/monte #
report back your overall results impression,
For a given font size, text appears visibly larger in most applications, consistent with the ~125% increase in dpi
a URL to your current /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old,
a URL to your /var/log/Xorg.0.log generated upon starting X using the xorg.conf file
and a new screenshot URL that includes YaST2 Software Management
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s2t0p8yqof7w91w/YaST-screenshot-2.png -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-12-18 21:04 (GMT-0800) Monte Milanuk composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Is your Win7 configured to 120 DPI in display settings, or 96?
It was whatever the original default settings were, which turned out to be 96 dpi.
I guessed Lenovo would have set it to 120, which is close to accurate and should be more usable to more people.
Please save http://fm.no-ip.com/Share/xorg.conf-1600x0900x120 as /etc/X11/xorg.conf, restart X, run that same list of commands,
monte@machin-shin:~> su Password: machin-shin:/home/monte # xrdb -query | grep dpi machin-shin:/home/monte # xdpyinfo | grep resolution resolution: 121x120 dots per inch machin-shin:/home/monte #
report back your overall results impression,
For a given font size, text appears visibly larger in most applications, consistent with the ~125% increase in dpi
Nothwithstanding the subject, which do you prefer? If 120, you can keep it by just leaving xorg.conf in place. Don't feel urged to answer before you've done some web browsing @ 120.
a URL to your current /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old,
Excerpts from it: [ 45795.529] (II) intel(0): clock: 90.4 MHz Image Size: 345 x 194 mm [ 45795.529] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor "LEN", prod id 16561 [ 45795.529] (II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines: [ 45795.529] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1600x900"x0.0 108.50 1600 1648 1680 1920 900 903 908 942 -hsync -vsync (56.5 kHz eP) [ 45795.529] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1600x900"x0.0 90.43 1600 1648 1680 1920 900 903 908 942 -hsync -vsync (47.1 kHz e) [ 45795.530] (II) intel(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes [ 45795.530] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 using initial mode 1600x900 [ 45795.530] (II) intel(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated. [ 45795.530] (II) intel(0): Kernel page flipping support detected, enabling [ 45795.530] (**) intel(0): Display dimensions: (350, 190) mm [ 45795.530] (**) intel(0): DPI set to (116, 120) Strange it finds two different sets of display dimensions. [ 45795.602] (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 423 x 238 Then something forces DPI to 96 by applying arbitrary dimensions.
a URL to your /var/log/Xorg.0.log generated upon starting X using the xorg.conf file
Looks like you captured it prior to ending your X session. Excerpts from it: [ 24.558] (**) intel(0): Display dimensions: (338, 190) mm [ 24.558] (WW) intel(0): Probed monitor is 350x190 mm, using Displaysize 338x190 mm [ 24.558] (**) intel(0): DPI set to (120, 120) [ 24.574] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i965 [ 24.574] (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 1600x900 stride 6656, tiled It reports the physical dimensions, but then applies DisplaySize dimensions from xorg.conf to get DPI to the 120x120 that those dimensions correspond to @ 1600x900 resolution. I found nothing further down referring to DPI or dimensions. [ 43.792] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor "LEN", prod id 16561 [ 43.792] (II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines: [ 43.792] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1600x900"x0.0 108.50 1600 1648 1680 1920 900 903 908 942 -hsync -vsync (56.5 kHz eP) [ 43.792] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1600x900"x0.0 90.43 1600 1648 1680 1920 900 903 908 942 -hsync -vsync (47.1 kHz e) In any event, it's the Intel chip that's being used for the Lenovo display, not the nVidia.
and a new screenshot URL that includes YaST2 Software Management
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s2t0p8yqof7w91w/YaST-screenshot-2.png
Your 1024x576 image upload sizes have me confused. Does dropbox reduce them from what you uploaded? Can you upload both the originals to http://susepaste.org/ ? WRT subject, there's apparently nothing you can do to improve the situation. You might want to track progress of https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=793565 by adding a CC for yourself. The bug's owner might be inclined to see multiple issues and want the bug split into more than one, since the problem differs somewhat according to DE. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/19/2012 10:17 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
Nothwithstanding the subject, which do you prefer? If 120, you can keep it by just leaving xorg.conf in place. Don't feel urged to answer before you've done some web browsing @ 120.
Its kind of a toss-up for me. I had been compensating by increasing the font size from 9 to 11 or 12, and with 120 dpi I can reduce that back to 10-11 comfortably... but some rather full tool bars (like bookmarks on Firefox) start looking kind of cramped again.
Your 1024x576 image upload sizes have me confused. Does dropbox reduce them from what you uploaded?
It must, as I checked and the originals for both images are 1600x900.
Can you upload both the originals to http://susepaste.org/ ?
http://susepaste.org/47088290 http://susepaste.org/88110174
WRT subject, there's apparently nothing you can do to improve the situation. You might want to track progress of https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=793565 by adding a CC for yourself.
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On 2012-12-19 11:08 (GMT-0800) Monte Milanuk composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Nothwithstanding the subject, which do you prefer? If 120, you can keep it by just leaving xorg.conf in place. Don't feel urged to answer before you've done some web browsing @ 120.
Its kind of a toss-up for me. I had been compensating by increasing the font size from 9 to 11 or 12, and with 120 dpi I can reduce that back to 10-11 comfortably... but some rather full tool bars (like bookmarks on Firefox) start looking kind of cramped again.
Compare your http://susepaste.org/images/88110174.png to my http://bugzillafiles.novell.org/attachment.cgi?id=517464 Your YSM window is the same height as mine, but 10% wider. Notice the fonts difference. I'm not sure whether the font family difference is entirely responsible, or yours is still carrying slightly larger than default sizes. Yours appears to still be using the default DejaVu Sans. Mine's using Google Droid Sans, which is close in height, but narrower at any given size, somewhat like the difference between Verdana and Tahoma. The YAS windows are the same width, so the Droid fonts are a better fit. Why your YAS icons are totally different from mine I have no idea, unless your default installation is using a different theme than mine, which has other themes & things pulled in by LXDE and some KDE apps.
Your 1024x576 image upload sizes have me confused. Does dropbox reduce them from what you uploaded?
It must, as I checked and the originals for both images are 1600x900.
Can you upload both the originals to http://susepaste.org/ ?
Confusion gone. :-)
WRT subject, there's apparently nothing you can do to improve the situation. You might want to track progress of https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=793565 by adding a CC for yourself.
I suppose there might be some improvement possible without that bug being fixed by using an alternate theme or adding some optional pattern. As explained in the bug, YSM behaves a lot better in LXDE than XFCE, maybe similar to or same as YSM in Gnome. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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