is there a reason why handbrake vanished for all versions of opensuse?
Am Montag, 8. März 2021, 13:58:16 CET schrieb Stakanov:
is there a reason why handbrake vanished for all versions of opensuse?
Its there: zypper se -s handbrake Repository-Daten werden geladen... Installierte Pakete werden gelesen... S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository ---+-------------------------+------------+-----------------+--------+----------- | handbrake | Quellpaket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | noarch | packman | handbrake | Quellpaket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.3 | noarch | packman | handbrake-cli | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | packman | handbrake-cli-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | packman | handbrake-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | packman | handbrake-debugsource | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | packman i+ | handbrake-gtk | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | packman | handbrake-gtk-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | packman i+ | handbrake-gtk-lang | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | noarch | packman v | handbrake-gtk-lang | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.3 | noarch | packman Stephan
In data lunedì 8 marzo 2021 15:07:48 CET, Stephan Hemeier ha scritto:
Am Montag, 8. März 2021, 13:58:16 CET schrieb Stakanov:
is there a reason why handbrake vanished for all versions of opensuse?
Its there: zypper se -s handbrake Repository-Daten werden geladen... Installierte Pakete werden gelesen...
S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository ---+-------------------------+------------+-----------------+--------+----- ------ | handbrake | Quellpaket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | noarch | | packman | handbrake | Quellpaket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.3 | noarch | | packman | handbrake-cli | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman | handbrake-cli-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman | handbrake-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman | handbrake-debugsource | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman
i+ | handbrake-gtk | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | packman | handbrake-gtk-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman
i+ | handbrake-gtk-lang | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | noarch | packman v | handbrake-gtk-lang | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.3 | noarch | packman
Stephan Strange because when searching on the software.opensuse.org the only distributions mentioned are debian 8-10. And in my repos (TW) it vanished.
Op maandag 8 maart 2021 15:50:58 CET schreef Stakanov:
In data lunedì 8 marzo 2021 15:07:48 CET, Stephan Hemeier ha scritto:
Am Montag, 8. März 2021, 13:58:16 CET schrieb Stakanov:
is there a reason why handbrake vanished for all versions of opensuse?
Its there: zypper se -s handbrake Repository-Daten werden geladen... Installierte Pakete werden gelesen...
S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository ---+-------------------------+------------+-----------------+--------+---- - ------
| handbrake | Quellpaket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | noarch | | packman | handbrake | Quellpaket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.3 | noarch | | packman | handbrake-cli | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman | handbrake-cli-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman | handbrake-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman | handbrake-debugsource | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman
i+ | handbrake-gtk | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | packman
| handbrake-gtk-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman
i+ | handbrake-gtk-lang | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | noarch | packman v | handbrake-gtk-lang | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.3 | noarch | packman
Stephan
Strange because when searching on the software.opensuse.org the only distributions mentioned are debian 8-10. And in my repos (TW) it vanished. Packages built by Packman don't show on software.o.o
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
In data lunedì 8 marzo 2021 15:54:53 CET, Knurpht-openSUSE ha scritto:
Op maandag 8 maart 2021 15:50:58 CET schreef Stakanov:
In data lunedì 8 marzo 2021 15:07:48 CET, Stephan Hemeier ha scritto:
Am Montag, 8. März 2021, 13:58:16 CET schrieb Stakanov:
is there a reason why handbrake vanished for all versions of opensuse?
Its there: zypper se -s handbrake Repository-Daten werden geladen... Installierte Pakete werden gelesen...
S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository ---+-------------------------+------------+-----------------+--------+-- -- - ------
| handbrake | Quellpaket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | noarch | | packman | handbrake | Quellpaket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.3 | noarch | | packman | handbrake-cli | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman | handbrake-cli-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman | handbrake-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman | handbrake-debugsource | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman
i+ | handbrake-gtk | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | packman
| handbrake-gtk-debuginfo | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | x86_64 | | packman
i+ | handbrake-gtk-lang | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.5 | noarch | packman v | handbrake-gtk-lang | Paket | 1.3.3-pm152.3.3 | noarch | packman
Stephan
Strange because when searching on the software.opensuse.org the only distributions mentioned are debian 8-10. And in my repos (TW) it vanished.
Packages built by Packman don't show on software.o.o I found now, thank you. It was not only that problem, but also that after the migration of the Austrian mirror of packman, something seems not to work (getting CURL error 16) or also the links do not work as expected (at least when I join them as usual). Dropped back on "join community repos" and now it works as it should. Sorry for the noise.
One question, how would a new user know about the existence of packages in packman without the warning that packman packages are not shown in the search machine (this is without polemic, just trying to understand the design logic of the search).
Op maandag 8 maart 2021 16:14:24 CET schreef Stakanov:
One question, how would a new user know about the existence of packages in packman without the warning that packman packages are not shown in the search machine (this is without polemic, just trying to understand the design logic of the search). A much easier way than software.o.o is to install opi ( the OBS Package Installer ).
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team
On 08/03/2021 16.17, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op maandag 8 maart 2021 16:14:24 CET schreef Stakanov:
One question, how would a new user know about the existence of packages in packman without the warning that packman packages are not shown in the search machine (this is without polemic, just trying to understand the design logic of the search). A much easier way than software.o.o is to install opi ( the OBS Package Installer ).
Easier, easier... define easier :-) cer@Telcontar:~> opi handbrake Searching... 1. handbrake-cli 2. handbrake-gtk Choose a number(0 to quit): 0 cer@Telcontar:~> It does not say where it is; you have to try to install it to get that info: Choose a number(0 to quit): 1 You have selected package name: handbrake-cli 1. Packman Multimedia ? | 1.3.3 | x86_64 Choose a number(0 to quit): Doesn't write a link. It is not a search program proper. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 08/03/2021 à 16:14, Stakanov a écrit :
One question, how would a new user know about the existence of packages in packman without the warning that packman packages are not shown in the search machine (this is without polemic, just trying to understand the design logic of the search).
use yast?? jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 08/03/2021 17.00, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/03/2021 à 16:14, Stakanov a écrit :
One question, how would a new user know about the existence of packages in packman without the warning that packman packages are not shown in the search machine (this is without polemic, just trying to understand the design logic of the search).
use yast??
That will not work by default, till one is aware and adds the packman repo. The information is out there, but in subtle manners, not direct. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
In data lunedì 8 marzo 2021 19:58:34 CET, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 08/03/2021 17.00, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/03/2021 à 16:14, Stakanov a écrit :
One question, how would a new user know about the existence of packages in packman without the warning that packman packages are not shown in the search machine (this is without polemic, just trying to understand the design logic of the search).
use yast??
That will not work by default, till one is aware and adds the packman repo.
The information is out there, but in subtle manners, not direct.
If you know the system with packman you are already insider. I do not discuss of course the legal issue, it is known. But at least a sentence "other community repos not listed here may offer supplemental software" in the bottom of the page may be helpful. So at least you know that it is not listing all opensuse software. Because the new user for sure will think that packman is part of opensuse software... while with all probability not having the whole subculture underlying. As you say, once you know not a problem. But a newbie (or somebody like me that knows or should at least, and simply forgot) will be for a second disorientated. In my case I was not recalling it was a packman package. So my bad.
Le 08/03/2021 à 23:54, Stakanov a écrit :
In my case I was not recalling it was a packman package. So my bad.
*any* usable multimedia package is on packman :-)) jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 08/03/2021 23.54, Stakanov wrote:
In data lunedì 8 marzo 2021 19:58:34 CET, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 08/03/2021 17.00, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/03/2021 à 16:14, Stakanov a écrit :
One question, how would a new user know about the existence of packages in packman without the warning that packman packages are not shown in the search machine (this is without polemic, just trying to understand the design logic of the search).
use yast??
That will not work by default, till one is aware and adds the packman repo.
The information is out there, but in subtle manners, not direct.
If you know the system with packman you are already insider. I do not discuss of course the legal issue, it is known. But at least a sentence "other community repos not listed here may offer supplemental software" in the bottom of the page may be helpful. So at least you know that it is not listing all opensuse software. Because the new user for sure will think that packman is part of opensuse software... while with all probability not having the whole subculture underlying.
As you say, once you know not a problem. But a newbie (or somebody like me that knows or should at least, and simply forgot) will be for a second disorientated.
In my case I was not recalling it was a packman package. So my bad.
There is <https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Multimedia>, basically empty. There is <https://en.opensuse.org/Concepts_multimedia> (I start on the start home page of Firefox: <https://search.opensuse.org/>) "Concepts multimedia" is very explicit on why the packages are not there, and points to two pages with *information* (one external). <https://en.opensuse.org/Codecs> <https://www.opensuse-community.org/> which says "make sure all your multimedia packages are coming from Packman" "Concepts multimedia" also links to <https://www.opensuse-community.org/> "Concepts multimedia" also says: «Also, if one wishes more control over the installation, then the traditional method of adding a repository works well. There is guidance describing how to do that at How to install codecs from Packman repositories» with a link: <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installing_codecs_from_Packman_repositories> How more explicit information do you want? :-) I said that the information is there ;-) I'm actually surprised that "packman" is mentioned at all on our wiki. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
In data martedì 9 marzo 2021 21:22:32 CET, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 08/03/2021 23.54, Stakanov wrote:
In data lunedì 8 marzo 2021 19:58:34 CET, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 08/03/2021 17.00, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 08/03/2021 à 16:14, Stakanov a écrit :
One question, how would a new user know about the existence of packages in packman without the warning that packman packages are not shown in the search machine (this is without polemic, just trying to understand the design logic of the search).
use yast??
That will not work by default, till one is aware and adds the packman repo.
The information is out there, but in subtle manners, not direct.
If you know the system with packman you are already insider. I do not discuss of course the legal issue, it is known. But at least a sentence "other community repos not listed here may offer supplemental software" in the bottom of the page may be helpful. So at least you know that it is not listing all opensuse software. Because the new user for sure will think that packman is part of opensuse software... while with all probability not having the whole subculture underlying.
As you say, once you know not a problem. But a newbie (or somebody like me that knows or should at least, and simply forgot) will be for a second disorientated.
In my case I was not recalling it was a packman package. So my bad.
There is <https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Multimedia>, basically empty.
There is <https://en.opensuse.org/Concepts_multimedia>
(I start on the start home page of Firefox: <https://search.opensuse.org/>)
"Concepts multimedia" is very explicit on why the packages are not there, and points to two pages with *information* (one external).
<https://en.opensuse.org/Codecs>
<https://www.opensuse-community.org/>
which says "make sure all your multimedia packages are coming from Packman"
"Concepts multimedia" also links to
<https://www.opensuse-community.org/>
"Concepts multimedia" also says:
«Also, if one wishes more control over the installation, then the traditional method of adding a repository works well. There is guidance describing how to do that at How to install codecs from Packman repositories» with a link:
<https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Installing_codecs_from_Packman_repositories>
How more explicit information do you want? :-)
I said that the information is there ;-)
I'm actually surprised that "packman" is mentioned at all on our wiki. Well using vidcutter and that is actually again NOT a packman package. Now I have to admit that surprised me.
On 09/03/2021 22.03, Stakanov wrote:
In data martedì 9 marzo 2021 21:22:32 CET, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 08/03/2021 23.54, Stakanov wrote:
How more explicit information do you want? :-)
I said that the information is there ;-)
I'm actually surprised that "packman" is mentioned at all on our wiki. Well using vidcutter and that is actually again NOT a packman package. Now I have to admit that surprised me.
I guess because the tool itself doesn't incur in any "protected" algorithm or whatever. It calls other tools or libraries to do the actual job. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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