Re: make boot disk from install disk--how?
On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 29/04/2021 22.27, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/28/21 8:32 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 28/04/2021 01.28, Doug McGarrett wrote:
...
I cannot get the screen you show in the picture. When I start the system, I get a note that says type startx, and then I get a blue-green screen with a caracature of a mouse and two icons for file-system and home.
I suspect you did not download the correct image. It is this:
Best put it on an USB stick. Instructions here:
For usb stick: <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_USB_stick>
If you have to use Windows, then:
<https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_Windows>
Then, just boot the stick:
Booting: <https://susepaste.org/14418492>
It goes directly to this, but can take a while, without touching any key: <https://susepaste.org/18739074>
Just double click on the partition you want to mount and use it normally:
<https://susepaste.org/37117851>
After much messing around I got the new file on a usb stick and tried to boot it. No luck. Messages: invalid magic number you need to load the kernel first
How exactly did you put the image on the USB?
It's almost 2;30 in the morning. I've been at this for a week. I know you and some others are trying to help but I guess I'm just too stupid. And too sleepy. I don't even know what
the messages mean--I thought the download was supposed to be bootable, like the other one.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 4/30/21 5:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 29/04/2021 22.27, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/28/21 8:32 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 28/04/2021 01.28, Doug McGarrett wrote:
...
I cannot get the screen you show in the picture. When I start the system, I get a note that says type startx, and then I get a blue-green screen with a caracature of a mouse and two icons for file-system and home.
I suspect you did not download the correct image. It is this:
Best put it on an USB stick. Instructions here:
For usb stick: <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_USB_stick>
If you have to use Windows, then:
<https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_Windows>
Then, just boot the stick:
Booting: <https://susepaste.org/14418492>
It goes directly to this, but can take a while, without touching any key: <https://susepaste.org/18739074>
Just double click on the partition you want to mount and use it normally:
<https://susepaste.org/37117851>
After much messing around I got the new file on a usb stick and tried to boot it. No luck. Messages: invalid magic number you need to load the kernel first
How exactly did you put the image on the USB?
It's almost 2;30 in the morning. I've been at this for a week. I know you and some others are trying to help but I guess I'm just too stupid. And too sleepy. I don't even know what
the messages mean--I thought the download was supposed to be bootable, like the other one.
A new week. I was thoroughly burned out last week. One problem I found, nothing to do with the blown computer, was the usb sticks. I have a small dish of them, mostly used. Tried to format one using Linux--it took an hour. Then formatted one using GParted --took milliseconds. In both cases, putting a recovery boot system on each of them failed. Finally made a DVD which booted nicely, if a lot slower. It thinks it's Mageia, but it has a graphical desktop and abilities, so used it to copy off what I could--lots of files but no pictures. Perhaps that part of the system got fried with the crash. Anyway: I would never try to use a reformatted usb stick again for something like this, but I don't have any brand new ones. I don't know why they don't work, they just don't. Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise. Thank you all for your patience in this mess. --doug
On 04/05/2021 01.24, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/30/21 5:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
A new week. I was thoroughly burned out last week. One problem I found,
nothing to do with the blown computer, was the usb sticks. I have a small dish of them, mostly used. Tried to format one using Linux--it took an hour. Then formatted one using GParted --took milliseconds. In both cases, putting a recovery boot system on each of them failed.
Do not try to format the sticks. Just do EXACTLY what the instructions page for putting the ISO on the USB stick that I pointed you to, say. Nothing more, nothing less. The instructions do not say "format the stick". So, don't.
Finally made a DVD which booted nicely, if a lot slower. It thinks it's Mageia,
Then it is the wrong disk. The link I gave you was "openSUSE"
but it has a graphical desktop and abilities, so used it to copy off what I could--lots of files but no pictures. Perhaps that part of the system got fried with the crash. Anyway: I would never try to use a reformatted usb stick again for something like this, but I don't have any brand new ones. I don't know why they don't work, they just don't.
Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise.
Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How many times have you reinstalled TW? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 5/3/21 8:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 01.24, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/30/21 5:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
A new week. I was thoroughly burned out last week. One problem I found,
nothing to do with the blown computer, was the usb sticks. I have a small dish of them, mostly used. Tried to format one using Linux--it took an hour. Then formatted one using GParted --took milliseconds. In both cases, putting a recovery boot system on each of them failed.
Do not try to format the sticks. Just do EXACTLY what the instructions page for putting the ISO on the USB stick that I pointed you to, say. Nothing more, nothing less.
The instructions do not say "format the stick". So, don't.
Finally made a DVD which booted nicely, if a lot slower. It thinks it's Mageia,
Then it is the wrong disk. The link I gave you was "openSUSE" Don't know why it came out this way--by this time I was fit to be tied, so anything that would boot and read the drive was fine.
but it has a graphical desktop and abilities, so used it to copy off what I could--lots of files but no pictures. Perhaps that part of the system got fried with the crash. Anyway: I would never try to use a reformatted usb stick again for something like this, but I don't have any brand new ones. I don't know why they don't work, they just don't.
Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise.
Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How many times have you reinstalled TW? Twice--once in 2019 once in 2020--that's the one that crashed. I installed Leap once. It does not have all the apps available as TW does, and it lasted only a couple of months and crashed and burned, and I hardly even used it. Put Mageia on the box. Not as capable as TW, but nearly.
What's the story about making the /boot and /home partitions for new install? --doug
On 04/05/2021 03.27, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/3/21 8:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 01.24, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/30/21 5:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise.
Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How many times have you reinstalled TW? Twice--once in 2019 once in 2020--that's the one that crashed. I installed Leap once. It does not have all the apps available as TW does, and it lasted only a couple of months and crashed
and burned, and I hardly even used it. Put Mageia on the box. Not as capable as TW, but nearly.
Leap has *everything*, but maybe in a different place than TW.
What's the story about making the /boot and /home partitions for new install?
I do not see a reason why you should have a separate /boot partition. Having a /home partition is as easy as telling yast that you want a separate /home partition. I do not use nor need gparted to create partitions in advance, the tools available during installation on YaST are good enough. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [05-04-21 07:46]:
On 04/05/2021 03.27, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/3/21 8:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 01.24, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/30/21 5:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise.
Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How many times have you reinstalled TW? Twice--once in 2019 once in 2020--that's the one that crashed. I installed Leap once. It does not have all the apps available as TW does, and it lasted only a couple of months and crashed
and burned, and I hardly even used it. Put Mageia on the box. Not as capable as TW, but nearly.
Leap has *everything*, but maybe in a different place than TW.
possibly, but a real stretch to declare it. it more than likely does not as some package *only* for Tumbleweed. but no one knows what Doug will want to install next nor where he will obtain the package(s).
What's the story about making the /boot and /home partitions for new install?
I do not see a reason why you should have a separate /boot partition. Having a /home partition is as easy as telling yast that you want a separate /home partition. I do not use nor need gparted to create partitions in advance, the tools available during installation on YaST are good enough.
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On 04/05/2021 14.02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [05-04-21 07:46]:
On 04/05/2021 03.27, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/3/21 8:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 01.24, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/30/21 5:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote: > On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise.
Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How many times have you reinstalled TW? Twice--once in 2019 once in 2020--that's the one that crashed. I installed Leap once. It does not have all the apps available as TW does, and it lasted only a couple of months and crashed
and burned, and I hardly even used it. Put Mageia on the box. Not as capable as TW, but nearly.
Leap has *everything*, but maybe in a different place than TW.
possibly, but a real stretch to declare it. it more than likely does not as some package *only* for Tumbleweed.
And others are available only on Leap :-)
but no one knows what Doug will want to install next nor where he will obtain the package(s).
Right. He has problems understanding repositories. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 04/05/2021 14.02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [05-04-21 07:46]:
On 04/05/2021 03.27, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/3/21 8:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 01.24, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 4/30/21 5:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote: >> On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise.
Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How many times have you reinstalled TW? Twice--once in 2019 once in 2020--that's the one that crashed. I installed Leap once. It does not have all the apps available as TW does, and it lasted only a couple of months and crashed
and burned, and I hardly even used it. Put Mageia on the box. Not as capable as TW, but nearly.
Leap has *everything*, but maybe in a different place than TW. possibly, but a real stretch to declare it. it more than likely does not as some package *only* for Tumbleweed.
And others are available only on Leap :-)
but no one knows what Doug will want to install next nor where he will obtain the package(s).
Right. He has problems understanding repositories. You're right. I understand exactly what repositories are and what
On 5/4/21 8:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: they're used for. What I don't understand are these two things: 1. How to determine what apps are in what repository 2. How to download an app that I want to use from the repository found in step 1. I probably have found and installed rpms for apps that might actually be available in one of the OS repositories. If there is a "user manual" for OpenSUSE, I'd like to know and if so, I want it. --doug
On 5/4/21 8:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 14.02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [05-04-21 07:46]:
On 04/05/2021 03.27, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/3/21 8:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 01.24, Doug McGarrett wrote: > On 4/30/21 5:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote: >>> On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as > possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine > to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I > may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I > use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I > installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise.
Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How many times have you reinstalled TW? Twice--once in 2019 once in 2020--that's the one that crashed. I installed Leap once. It does not have all the apps available as TW does, and it lasted only a couple of months and crashed
and burned, and I hardly even used it. Put Mageia on the box. Not as capable as TW, but nearly.
Leap has *everything*, but maybe in a different place than TW. possibly, but a real stretch to declare it. it more than
On 04/05/2021 22.02, Doug McGarrett wrote: likely
does not as some package *only* for Tumbleweed.
And others are available only on Leap :-)
but no one knows what Doug will want to install next nor where he will obtain the package(s).
Right. He has problems understanding repositories. You're right. I understand exactly what repositories are and what they're used for. What I don't understand are these two things: 1. How to determine what apps are in what repository 2. How to download an app that I want to use from the repository found in step 1.
You simply DON'T. That's how you break your system time after time. instead: step one: Tell YaST where is that repository and the name. Not where is the package, but where is the repo. step two: Tell YaST you want to install "whatever". That's all.
If there is a "user manual" for OpenSUSE, I'd like to know and if so, I
want it.
Yes, and I told you more than once: <https://doc.opensuse.org/> If you ask for a manual for Tumbleweed, it does not exist and will never exist. You are supposed to be an expert in openSUSE to use Tumbleweed and you are supposed to solve the problems yourself, finding the solutions and telling others. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 5/4/21 4:14 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 22.02, Doug McGarrett wrote: /snip/ Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as
possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise.
Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How many times have you reinstalled TW? Twice--once in 2019 once in 2020--that's the one that crashed. I installed Leap once. It does not have all the apps available as TW does, and it lasted only a couple of months and crashed
and burned, and I hardly even used it. Put Mageia on the box. Not as capable as TW, but nearly.
possibly, but a real stretch to declare it. it more than
Leap has *everything*, but maybe in a different place than TW. likely
does not as some package *only* for Tumbleweed.
And others are available only on Leap :-)
but no one knows what Doug will want to install next nor where he will obtain the package(s).
Right. He has problems understanding repositories. You're right. I understand exactly what repositories are and what they're used for. What I don't understand are these two things: 1. How to determine what apps are in what repository 2. How to download an app that I want to use from the repository found in step 1.
You simply DON'T. That's how you break your system time after time.
instead:
step one: Tell YaST where is that repository and the name. Not where is the package, but where is the repo. HOW CAN I KNOW WHERE OR WHAT THE REPO IS IF I ONLY KNOW THE NAME OF THE PACKAGE? For instance: I have on a usb stick the rpms for Light Scribe. These probably don't even exist anymore, but they work, when installed via the rpm command line. Are any of them in one of today's repositories, and if so, how would I find them?
And, I have the rpms from a commercial package--I can (and do) install them from the command line. These will never be in the repos.
step two: Tell YaST you want to install "whatever".
That's all.
If there is a "user manual" for OpenSUSE, I'd like to know and if so, I want it.
Yes, and I told you more than once:
<https://doc.opensuse.org/> OK, I forgot that I downloaded and printed (when the printer worked, of course) the docs for Leap, which mostly work for TW. I will study them.
I would welcome some ideas on how to get the printers to work again. --doug
On 05/05/2021 06.43, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/4/21 4:14 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 22.02, Doug McGarrett wrote: /snip/ Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as
possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise.
Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How many times have you reinstalled TW? Twice--once in 2019 once in 2020--that's the one that crashed. I installed Leap once. It does not have all the apps available as TW does, and it lasted only a couple of months and crashed
and burned, and I hardly even used it. Put Mageia on the box. Not as capable as TW, but nearly.
possibly, but a real stretch to declare it. it more than
Leap has *everything*, but maybe in a different place than TW. likely
does not as some package *only* for Tumbleweed.
And others are available only on Leap :-)
but no one knows what Doug will want to install next nor where he will obtain the package(s).
Right. He has problems understanding repositories. You're right. I understand exactly what repositories are and what they're used for. What I don't understand are these two things: 1. How to determine what apps are in what repository 2. How to download an app that I want to use from the repository found in step 1.
You simply DON'T. That's how you break your system time after time.
instead:
step one: Tell YaST where is that repository and the name. Not where is the package, but where is the repo. HOW CAN I KNOW WHERE OR WHAT THE REPO IS IF I ONLY KNOW THE NAME OF THE
PACKAGE? For instance: I have on a usb stick the rpms for Light Scribe. These probably don't even exist anymore, but they work, when installed via the rpm command line. Are any of them in one of today's repositories, and if so, how would I find them?
Again, you don't. Meaning, you do not use that USB stick (and not with yast nor zypper, certainly).
And, I have the rpms from a commercial package--I can (and do) install them from the command line. These will never be in the repos.
Very bad idea to use commercial packages with Tumbleweed, that is asking for trouble. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 05/05/2021 13.05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/05/2021 06.43, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/4/21 4:14 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 22.02, Doug McGarrett wrote:
... Doug, please SAVE or PRINT this email.
And, I have the rpms from a commercial package--I can (and do) install
them from the command line. These will never be in the repos.
Very bad idea to use commercial packages with Tumbleweed, that is asking for trouble.
I will explain, again, how you do this. 1) Create a directory, for example /home/doug/extrarepository/ 2) Copy all the rpms from that commercial thing into that directory. 3) start yast as root in graphic mode: su - yast2 4) Start the "Software repository" module 5) Click the button "Add repository" 6) on the list that appears, click "Local directory", then [next]. 7.0) On "repository name" put whatever you like. 7.1) On path to directory, you write the path (/home/doug/extrarepository/). 7.2) Click on "Plain rpm directory" 7.3) [NEXT] It thinks for a while, and if all goes well, you click [OK]. Now, you have created your own private repository for external packages. Next, install those packages. 1) On YaST, click "Software management module 2) On view, select "repositories". 3.0) On repositories, you will see a list of repositories on the left panel. Select the repository you created. 3.1) On the right panel, you will see the list of packages in that repository. If it is empty, exit YaST, run "zypper refresh --force" and try yast2 again. 3.2) select the package, solve the dependencies if needed, accept and finish. Done. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2021-05-05 7:05 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
And, I have the rpms from a commercial package--I can (and do) install them from the command line. These will never be in the repos.
Very bad idea to use commercial packages with Tumbleweed, that is asking for trouble.
If the 'commercial package' was produced by competent, professional people it will have been tested and verified against different versions of and different releases of Linux, and the same documented. You can be quite sure that no professional is going to test and verity against Tumbleweed! It wouldn't make sense since Tumbleweed is so dynamic and unstable So go back to the documentation on the package and look to which versions of Linux and OpenSUSE that package has been verified for and work with that rather than with Tumbleweed. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On 05/05/2021 14.28, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2021-05-05 7:05 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
And, I have the rpms from a commercial package--I can (and do) installthem from the command line. These will never be in the repos.
Very bad idea to use commercial packages with Tumbleweed, that is asking for trouble.
If the 'commercial package' was produced by competent, professional people it will have been tested and verified against different versions
of and differentreleases of Linux, and the same documented.
You can be quite sure that no professional is going to test and verity against Tumbleweed! It wouldn't make sense since Tumbleweed is so dynamic and unstable
Exactly. There maybe exceptions when that commercial entity is very interested in Linux support and development. Think Nvidia, but there is often a delay and people hit problems now and then.
So go back to the documentation on the package and look to which versionsof Linux and OpenSUSE that package has been verified for and work with that ratherthan with Tumbleweed.
If what he wants to use is Light Scribe, flat chance of getting TW support, because it has been dead for 8 years. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LightScribe> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 5/4/21 4:14 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 5/4/21 8:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 14.02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [05-04-21 07:46]:
On 04/05/2021 03.27, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/3/21 8:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 04/05/2021 01.24, Doug McGarrett wrote: >> On 4/30/21 5:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 30/04/2021 08.28, Doug McGarrett wrote: >>>> On 4/29/21 5:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Will install a new TW system on the computer as soon as >> possible. I would like to know how to set the install routine >> to make /boot and /home partitions so if this happens again I >> may have a slightly better chance of recovery. Do I >> use GParted to make partitions first, or what? Tried that when I >> installed the old system, but it didn't work. Please advise. > > Our advice will always be to forget Tumbleweed and use Leap. How > many times have you reinstalled TW? Twice--once in 2019 once in 2020--that's the one that crashed. I installed Leap once. It does not have all the apps available as TW does, and it lasted only a couple of months and crashed
and burned, and I hardly even used it. Put Mageia on the box. Not as capable as TW, but nearly.
Leap has *everything*, but maybe in a different place than TW. possibly, but a real stretch to declare it. it more than
On 04/05/2021 22.02, Doug McGarrett wrote: likely
does not as some package *only* for Tumbleweed.
And others are available only on Leap :-)
but no one knows what Doug will want to install next nor where he will obtain the package(s).
Right. He has problems understanding repositories. You're right. I understand exactly what repositories are and what they're used for. What I don't understand are these two things: 1. How to determine what apps are in what repository 2. How to download an app that I want to use from the repository found in step 1.
You simply DON'T. That's how you break your system time after time.
instead:
step one: Tell YaST where is that repository and the name. Not where is the package, but where is the repo. Very nice. How do I know what the repository is, or where?
step two: Tell YaST you want to install "whatever".
That's all.
If there is a "user manual" for OpenSUSE, I'd like to know and if so, I
want it.
Yes, and I told you more than once:
If you ask for a manual for Tumbleweed, it does not exist and will never exist. You are supposed to be an expert in openSUSE to use Tumbleweed and you are supposed to solve the problems yourself, finding the solutions and telling others.
On 05/05/2021 06.48, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/4/21 4:14 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 22.02, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 5/4/21 8:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 14.02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
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You're right. I understand exactly what repositories are and what they're used for. What I don't understand are these two things: 1. How to determine what apps are in what repository 2. How to download an app that I want to use from the repository found in step 1.
You simply DON'T. That's how you break your system time after time.
instead:
step one: Tell YaST where is that repository and the name. Not where is the package, but where is the repo. Very nice. How do I know what the repository is, or where?
What package do you you want? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2021-05-04 4:14 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/05/2021 22.02, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Right. He has problems understanding repositories.
You're right. I understand exactly what repositories are and what they're used for. What I don't understand are these two things: 1. How to determine what apps are in what repository 2. How to download an app that I want to use from the repository found in step 1.
You simply DON'T. That's how you break your system time after time.
+1 No, I correct myself: + BIGNUM + Swedish Chef[1]
instead:
step one: Tell YaST where is that repository and the name. Not where is the package, but where is the repo.
+1 While the slick and experienced and CLI'd among us might use wget, rsync, zypper and even rpm, we are also working in a more 'informed' setting. Even so, we might resort to YaST (as in 'yast2 sw_single') and searching there might even show up a package in more than one registered repository. Oh, wait! Have you registered the repository? Well you can use YaST for that too. I very strongly suggest using YaST. There's an old saying: if you know more than the computer use the CLI, if you don't then use the GUI.
step two: Tell YaST you want to install "whatever".
Indeed. The "Software Manager" has good search facilities *for the installed repositories*.
If there is a "user manual" for OpenSUSE, I'd like to know and if so, I
want it.
Yes, and I told you more than once:
If you ask for a manual for Tumbleweed, it does not exist and will never exist. You are supposed to be an expert in openSUSE to use Tumbleweed and you are supposed to solve the problems yourself, finding the solutions and telling others.
Doug: I think you have a misunderstanding of what Tumbleweed is about. There's never going to be a manual for it 'cos it's not standing still. It's the dynamic, the experimental, the bleeding edge. It's where development and innovation happens. it's not for the beginners or those unwilling to live with risk. I'm in the latter category. Despite over 45 years experience with generation of and flavours of UNIX and Linux I don't want the risk. I'm slow to upgrade. I'm one of those that think that Leap 42.3 is still unstable (as you might have seen from my comments here in the past). I don't want to work with Tumbleweed and I think from your questions the level to experience and understanding you have that you shouldn't be working with it. Ho with a stable, supported version. [1] That's "Bork! Bork! Bork!" many times over for those that are Muppet-literate -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
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