installing SuSE8.1 on top of WinXP
Currently I am running SuSEprof8.1 on a machine, which also has WindowsME installed. That works fine, and installing it was easy. Now I have a new PC, which has WindowsXP preinstalled. I want to ad another drive, and then install SuSE8.1prof on that machine as well. I have read on the SuSE web page that if you run XP with FAT32, there is no problem. However, the new machine has a 60GB drive, which is configured like this: C:\ (called BOOT) a NTFS file system of 28GB D:\ (called BACKUP), a NTFS file system of 25.5GB E:\ (called RECOVER), a FAT32 system with 2.4GB. I want to ad the drive from my old PC, a drive I bought very recent, 120GB in total, 80GB on FAT32 and 40GB on ReiserFS. Now, how do I install SuSE8.1? GRUB will be installed, but can the installation take care of the correct settings, as it doesn't seem to be able to re partition NTFS particions? I would be happy to have SuSE8.1 installed on the ReiserFS partition on the second drive. My other question is about the physical installation of that second drive. It is now as the slave of the primary IDE channel. My new PC has the 60GB as the master on the primary IDE, and the DVD as the slave on the primaryn IDE, the CD-R as the master of the second IDE, so I could ad this drive as the slave of the second IDE. However the first IDE drive is 100ATA, and the DVD drive 33ATA. I thought that they would default to whatever the slowest is. Is this correct, and am I losing speed on the first IDE already? This would be the same on the second when I ad the second drive there as well. Or is this not an issue? Thanks for your help, -- Frits Wüthrich Linux newbie
The PC used here has exactly the same setup. It is a Medion 2660+. Our solution was as follows : 1) Using Ranish, deleted all the partitions. 2) Using Ranish, created two partitions of 40 GB each. These sizes can be amended as necessary. 3) Formatted one as FAT32 and hid the second one so that it is not visible. 4) Using the recovery disks, restored Win XP to its previous state. 5) Unhid the second partition and installed Linux here. Before trying this, make sure that the recovery cds are available and work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frits Wüthrich" <frits@wuthrich.cc> To: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:27 PM Subject: [SLE] installing SuSE8.1 on top of WinXP Currently I am running SuSEprof8.1 on a machine, which also has WindowsME installed. That works fine, and installing it was easy. Now I have a new PC, which has WindowsXP preinstalled. I want to ad another drive, and then install SuSE8.1prof on that machine as well. I have read on the SuSE web page that if you run XP with FAT32, there is no problem. However, the new machine has a 60GB drive, which is configured like this: C:\ (called BOOT) a NTFS file system of 28GB D:\ (called BACKUP), a NTFS file system of 25.5GB E:\ (called RECOVER), a FAT32 system with 2.4GB. I want to ad the drive from my old PC, a drive I bought very recent, 120GB in total, 80GB on FAT32 and 40GB on ReiserFS. Now, how do I install SuSE8.1? GRUB will be installed, but can the installation take care of the correct settings, as it doesn't seem to be able to re partition NTFS particions? I would be happy to have SuSE8.1 installed on the ReiserFS partition on the second drive. My other question is about the physical installation of that second drive. It is now as the slave of the primary IDE channel. My new PC has the 60GB as the master on the primary IDE, and the DVD as the slave on the primaryn IDE, the CD-R as the master of the second IDE, so I could ad this drive as the slave of the second IDE. However the first IDE drive is 100ATA, and the DVD drive 33ATA. I thought that they would default to whatever the slowest is. Is this correct, and am I losing speed on the first IDE already? This would be the same on the second when I ad the second drive there as well. Or is this not an issue? Thanks for your help, -- Frits Wüthrich Linux newbie -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
I have read on the SuSE web page that if you run XP with FAT32, there is no problem. However, the new machine has a 60GB drive, which is configured like this: C:\ (called BOOT) a NTFS file system of 28GB D:\ (called BACKUP), a NTFS file system of 25.5GB E:\ (called RECOVER), a FAT32 system with 2.4GB.
I want to ad the drive from my old PC, a drive I bought very recent, 120GB in total, 80GB on FAT32 and 40GB on ReiserFS.
I'm confused. So are you saying that the E drive is on the second hard drive already? What is the layout exactly? i.e. IDE1 - 28GB NTFS - C, 28GB NTFS - D? Let me know because I'm a little confused. The main problem is that SuSE can't resize NTFS partitions. That's the bottom line. You can use a program like Partition Magic to accomplish this. Or, if you can install SuSE on a drive that has Fat32, it can resize FAT32 partitions. And it can boot from a second drive in a number of ways. One way is that Grub is more or less installed in the MBR so that when you boot Grub comes up and gives you the option of XP or SuSE on the second drive. The install should take care of this. You can also, as a trial, install SuSE on the second drive and just boot from floppy, I believe. Preston
Thanks for everyone helping out here. I'll answer the different questions raised in different emails here in one. C, D and E are all on the first drive. And yes, it is a Medion PC, I bought it new, and it was factory configered this way. I did came with the XP CD. Now I understand why SuSE8.1 is offered by Amazon together with Partition Magic. Sounds to me the easiest way is to resize D, make it smaller with say 10GB, and make that FAT32, so SuSE8.1 can install itself. I'll get Partitionmagic, it also supports GRUB, so I have read. Thanks everyone, this list proves ones more to be a big support. On Tuesday 14 January 2003 15:20, Preston Crawford wrote:
I have read on the SuSE web page that if you run XP with FAT32, there is no problem. However, the new machine has a 60GB drive, which is configured like this: C:\ (called BOOT) a NTFS file system of 28GB D:\ (called BACKUP), a NTFS file system of 25.5GB E:\ (called RECOVER), a FAT32 system with 2.4GB.
I want to ad the drive from my old PC, a drive I bought very recent, 120GB in total, 80GB on FAT32 and 40GB on ReiserFS.
I'm confused. So are you saying that the E drive is on the second hard drive already? What is the layout exactly?
i.e.
IDE1 - 28GB NTFS - C, 28GB NTFS - D?
Let me know because I'm a little confused. The main problem is that SuSE can't resize NTFS partitions. That's the bottom line. You can use a program like Partition Magic to accomplish this. Or, if you can install SuSE on a drive that has Fat32, it can resize FAT32 partitions. And it can boot from a second drive in a number of ways. One way is that Grub is more or less installed in the MBR so that when you boot Grub comes up and gives you the option of XP or SuSE on the second drive. The install should take care of this. You can also, as a trial, install SuSE on the second drive and just boot from floppy, I believe.
Preston
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Frits Wüthrich wrote:
Currently I am running SuSEprof8.1 on a machine, which also has WindowsME installed. That works fine, and installing it was easy.
Now I have a new PC, which has WindowsXP preinstalled. I want to ad another drive, and then install SuSE8.1prof on that machine as well.
No problem with this at all. (When you bought the computer with the re-installed XP you should have been given the CD with XP on it so that you could re-install it if necessary. Did you get the CD? afterall you paid for it. If you didn't, then go back to the shop and get the CD (and any others if other s/ware was pre-installed).)
I have read on the SuSE web page that if you run XP with FAT32, there is no problem.
There is NO problem with having XP running in an NTFS partition. Only thing is that Linux won't be able to WRITE to that partition but can READ what's in it- that's all.
However, the new machine has a 60GB drive, which is configured like this: C:\ (called BOOT) a NTFS file system of 28GB D:\ (called BACKUP), a NTFS file system of 25.5GB E:\ (called RECOVER), a FAT32 system with 2.4GB.
Sorry to say but whoever formatted the new drive in this way needs his/her head examined - and I'll bet XP is installed in drive C, right? Eh, never mind this is just my opinion and I guess it's horses for courses. I format my HD into 100Mb FAT for C (BOOT), 2.5Gb D NTFS where I install Win, then split the rest of the drive into say 4 equal parts and formatted in FAT32 AFTER keeping 5Gb for Linux which will go at the end of the HD. When installing SuSE and get to the bit where it "tells" you what it has decided it wants to do re the partitioning of your HDs and what it wants to format and where it wants to install itself, select the last option which is that you are not happy with its decision and that you are going to partition the HD(s) the way you want. Then select EXPERT mode and then select REREAD THE PARTITION TABLE. SuSE will give you a message that the sky is about to fall down if you don't know what you are doing but you ignore this and proceed. You will then be able to delete/create/format partitions the way you want. I mention this here because in SuSE 8 selecting where you wanted to install SuSE was different.
I want to ad the drive from my old PC, a drive I bought very recent, 120GB in total, 80GB on FAT32 and 40GB on ReiserFS.
Now, how do I install SuSE8.1? GRUB will be installed, but can the installation take care of the correct settings, as it doesn't seem to be able to re partition NTFS particions? I would be happy to have SuSE8.1 installed on the ReiserFS partition on the second drive.
Just like XP, you can install Linux anywhere you want - meaning that just install the second HD and install SuSE on it. However I would be suggesting that you reformat the second (the 'old') drive as on with an Extended partition with 5 or 6 Gb for SuSE (anything more than 6Gb is a waste unless you intend to install everything that comes on the 7 CD or the DVD for SuSE 8.1).
My other question is about the physical installation of that second drive. It is now as the slave of the primary IDE channel. My new PC has the 60GB as the master on the primary IDE, and the DVD as the slave on the primaryn IDE, the CD-R as the master of the second IDE, so I could ad this drive as the slave of the second IDE. However the first IDE drive is 100ATA, and the DVD drive 33ATA. I thought that they would default to whatever the slowest is. Is this correct, and am I losing speed on the first IDE already? This would be the same on the second when I ad the second drive there as well. Or is this not an issue?
The PRIMARY IDE connetion is for HDs and the SECONDARY is for everything else. Do NOT mix HDs and CDROMS/DVD on the same cable. Install the new HD and the 'old' HD on the same PRIMARY connection. Don't forget to use an 80-wire cable for this otherwise UDMA will not work. Connect the MASTER at the END of the cable and the slave on the middle connector (the cable itself should already have Master and Slave 'stamped' on it). You can either use jumpers on the HDs to make one a Master and the other a Slave or you can jumper both as CABLE SELECT in which case the Bios will automatically sort out which is master and which is slave (which is why you put the master at the end of the cable). Then put the DVD and the CDROM on the other, secondary cable. Same condtions apply as for the HDs. Put the DVD at the end of cable because this will be the Master - and you will find that it has a faster DMA than the CDROM; same jumpering conditons apply as well. Your new BIOS will have the opton of AUTO DETECTING all the drives and you should use this option. BTW, when installing Linux you must set in the BIOS that you are NOT using a PnP platform, EVEN though you have XP installed which is PnP, so that the BIOS will control all the devices. Linux expects the BIOS to be in control. I've been thru what you are about to go thru so many times that I can install everything with my eyes closed :-). I had the same questions as you at the beginning so what I say above is the end result of what I learnt. Cheers.
Thanks for your help,
Not a problem. Cheers. -- Sound that shatters silence is called noise. Sound that enhances silence is called music.
In a previous message, Basil Chupin wrote:
(anything more than 6Gb is a waste unless you intend to install everything that comes on the 7 CD or the DVD for SuSE 8.1).
Not necessarily, unless you know what data someone is likely to store. It's very easy to exceed that sort of size if you have a digital camera, or rip your CDs. But, for a basic install with no expectation of huge files, you're right. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies!
Now, how do I install SuSE8.1? GRUB will be installed, but can the installation take care of the correct settings, as it doesn't seem to be able to re partition NTFS particions? I would be happy to have SuSE8.1 installed on the ReiserFS partition on the second drive. Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 7476 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 576 4626688+ b Win95 FAT32(98$)Virt.Dub,Acad ..any :( /dev/hda2 577 7476 55424250 f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda5 577 1724 9221278+ b Win95 FAT32 (~2G XP$)expert mode /dev/hda6 1725 1729 40131 83 Linux /dev/hda7 1730 1826 779121 82 Linux swap /dev/hda8 1827 1903 618471 83 Linux /dev/hda9 1904 2056 1228941 83 Linux /dev/hda10 2057 2448 3148708+ 83 Linux /dev/hda11 2449 2487 313236 83 Linux /dev/hda12 2488 2618 1052226 83 Linux /dev/hda13 2619 2801 1469916 83 Linux /dev/hda14 2802 3585 6297448+ 83 Linux /dev/hda15 3586 4369 6297448+ 83 Linux /dev/hda16 4370 4604 1887606 83 Linux /dev/hda17 4605 4782 1429753+ 6 FAT16(1.4G NT$)expert mode /dev/hda18 4783 4790 64228+ 83 Linux /dev/hda19 4791 4892 819283+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda20 4893 4943 409626 83 Linux /dev/hda21 4944 5052 875511 83 Linux /dev/hda22 5053 5371 2562336 83 Linux /dev/hda23 5372 5473 819283+ 83 Linux /dev/hda24 5474 5639 1333363+ 83 Linux /dev/hda25 5640 5901 2104483+ 83 Linux /dev/hda26 5902 6042 1132551 83 Linux /dev/hda27 6043 6105 506016 83 Linux /dev/hda28 6106 6136 248976 82 Linux swap /dev/hda29 6137 6518 3068383+ 83 Linux /dev/hda30 6519 7476 7695103+ 83 Linux all Linux install with Grub (floppy) after this Acronis http://www.acronis.de/ .... Google -> Acromis not bad and all works Boris
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