[opensuse] Why does digikam wants to become installed via zypper up?

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cagsm

9 Feb 2016 9 Feb '16

12:39

Hello list: zypper lu doesnt say anything about digikam zypper lu Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Repository | Name | Current Version | Available Version | Arch --+-----------------+------------------+-----------------+-------------------+------- v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-glib8 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-qt4-4 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-qt5-1 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler44 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | poppler-tools | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 but still zypper up shows zypper up Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... The following 2 applications are going to be installed: Showfoto digiKam The following 13 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-doc digikam-lang digikam-libs digikam-plugin-color digikam-plugin-decorate digikam-plugin-enhance digikam-plugin-fxfilters digikam-plugin-transform kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang The following 6 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1 The following 5 packages are going to be upgraded: libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libpoppler44 poppler-tools 5 packages to upgrade, 13 new, 6 to remove. Where do these new applications or new packages come from or why do they want to become installed? I dont even have any other packages installed named anything with kam but rpm -aq | grep -i kam kio_kamera-15.12.1-11.1.x86_64 How does this work? I am trying to understand this suse packaging and software management especially with gold opensuse systems that have come a long way and had been constantly upgraded over time. Maybe a lot of crust and worthless stuff has amassed and left on this system and I definitely need to clean stuff up and get things back into order. System is cat /etc/os-release NAME="openSUSE Leap" VERSION="42.1" VERSION_ID="42.1" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Leap 42.1 (x86_64)" ID=opensuse -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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sdm

9 Feb 9 Feb

12:49

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Hello list: zypper lu doesnt say anything about digikam

zypper lu Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Repository | Name | Current Version | Available Version | Arch --+-----------------+------------------+-----------------+-------------------+------- v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-glib8 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-qt4-4 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-qt5-1 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler44 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | poppler-tools | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64

but still zypper up shows zypper up Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...

The following 2 applications are going to be installed: Showfoto digiKam

The following 13 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-doc digikam-lang digikam-libs digikam-plugin-color digikam-plugin-decorate digikam-plugin-enhance digikam-plugin-fxfilters digikam-plugin-transform kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang

The following 6 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1

The following 5 packages are going to be upgraded: libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libpoppler44 poppler-tools

5 packages to upgrade, 13 new, 6 to remove.

Where do these new applications or new packages come from or why do they want to become installed?

I dont even have any other packages installed named anything with kam but rpm -aq | grep -i kam kio_kamera-15.12.1-11.1.x86_64

How does this work? I am trying to understand this suse packaging and software management especially with gold opensuse systems that have come a long way and had been constantly upgraded over time. Maybe a lot of crust and worthless stuff has amassed and left on this system and I definitely need to clean stuff up and get things back into order.

System is cat /etc/os-release NAME="openSUSE Leap" VERSION="42.1" VERSION_ID="42.1" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Leap 42.1 (x86_64)" ID=opensuse I noticed this also on Leap, when doing a "zypper up --no-recommends". have a customized install with a lot of patterns I deselected at install time. You can mark those packages as taboo (digiKam and Shofoto) and the

On 02/09/2016 04:39 AM, cagsm wrote: problem should go away, but regardless, this should not happen. Tumbleweed does not exhibit the same behaviour, just fyi, with the same type of cherry-picked install. So maybe it's a bug in zypper or libsolv somewhere. From what I could tell on my test Leap install, the removal of libkexiv2-11 triggered the installation of all those unneccessary packages, except on my machine it was digiKam and a bunch of other dependencies which went along with it. sdm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

cagsm

12:55

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:49 PM, sdm wrote:

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I noticed this also on Leap, when doing a "zypper up --no-recommends". have a customized install with a lot of patterns I deselected at install time. You can mark those packages as taboo (digiKam and Shofoto) and the problem should go away, but regardless, this should not happen. Tumbleweed does not exhibit the same behaviour, just fyi, with the same type of cherry-picked install. So maybe it's a bug in zypper or libsolv somewhere. From what I could tell on my test Leap install, the removal of libkexiv2-11 triggered the installation of all those unneccessary packages, except on my machine it was digiKam and a bunch of other dependencies which went along with it.

I dont understand this pattern-business yet. I remember patterns being talked about and printed on screen when installing a fresh opensuse or upgrade offline from the recent years. So are patterns maybe some kind of grouping meta-packages that tell my system that it wants digikam and other stuff, and even rpm -e digikam and other stuff then will bring them back again via zypper up because the higher metalevel grouping package tells that the system wants digikam? tabooing a noninstalled rpm (package) doesnt sound right to me if its not even installed. There must be some logic that makes the package flowing inbound again. And this logic needs to be removed or disabled. I dont have this digikam issue on all suse systems. Some other suse systems have other trouble with packages. So there must be some metainformation that makes the package coming in again even though it is not even installed to begin with and thus doesnt need any updates. Any clues? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:23

On 2016-02-09 13:55, cagsm wrote:

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I dont understand this pattern-business yet. I remember patterns being talked about and printed on screen when installing a fresh opensuse or upgrade offline from the recent years. So are patterns maybe some kind of grouping meta-packages that tell my system that it wants digikam and other stuff, and even rpm -e digikam and other stuff then will bring them back again via zypper up because the higher metalevel grouping package tells that the system wants digikam?

Yes, that's about it. Also, till 13.1 there was a feature such that when a package was removed manually it would not be automatically reinstalled if something "soft" wanted it. Apparently this feature had problems and was removed.

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tabooing a noninstalled rpm (package) doesnt sound right to me if its not even installed.

Yes, but with the lack of the feature I mentioned above, that's what you have to do; that, or disable "recommends" globally. The latter I consider more intrusive. You ask about the "recommends". This is defined by the packager, based on recommendation from the particular package developers upstream, not by the project. Example. Say you install a file manager. This will need libraries to display windows, and to move files, say. Those are hard requirements. Suppose it has an optional feature to display, in icon size, the content of PDF files. As it is optional, this would be a soft requirement, or a recommend. The program doesn't break without the library to display PDF, just it doesn't have a feature. In this case of yours, probably some installed package says that it wants digikam whatever happens, so zypper up installs it. If you try with YaST, then click on digikam to disable it, and perhaps it will say that it is required by some other package. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Per Jessen

12:57

cagsm wrote:

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zypper up Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...

The following 2 applications are going to be installed: Showfoto digiKam

The following 13 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-doc digikam-lang digikam-libs digikam-plugin-color digikam-plugin-decorate digikam-plugin-enhance digikam-plugin-fxfilters digikam-plugin-transform kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang

The following 6 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1

The following 5 packages are going to be upgraded: libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libpoppler44 poppler-tools

5 packages to upgrade, 13 new, 6 to remove.

Where do these new applications or new packages come from or why do they want to become installed?

They even show up with '--no-recommends'. I think you ought to open a bugreport. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

cagsm

13:02

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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They even show up with '--no-recommends'. I think you ought to open a bugreport.

What is the idea behind these recommends stuff? Recommended software according to the opensuse project leaders? Software worth having to the whole opensuse userbase? On what terms is this decision being made? Can I disable this globally? Since when do opensuse have this behavior or feature? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org