[opensuse] Why does digikam wants to become installed via zypper up?
Hello list: zypper lu doesnt say anything about digikam zypper lu Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Repository | Name | Current Version | Available Version | Arch --+-----------------+------------------+-----------------+-------------------+------- v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-glib8 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-qt4-4 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-qt5-1 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler44 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | poppler-tools | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 but still zypper up shows zypper up Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... The following 2 applications are going to be installed: Showfoto digiKam The following 13 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-doc digikam-lang digikam-libs digikam-plugin-color digikam-plugin-decorate digikam-plugin-enhance digikam-plugin-fxfilters digikam-plugin-transform kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang The following 6 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1 The following 5 packages are going to be upgraded: libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libpoppler44 poppler-tools 5 packages to upgrade, 13 new, 6 to remove. Where do these new applications or new packages come from or why do they want to become installed? I dont even have any other packages installed named anything with kam but rpm -aq | grep -i kam kio_kamera-15.12.1-11.1.x86_64 How does this work? I am trying to understand this suse packaging and software management especially with gold opensuse systems that have come a long way and had been constantly upgraded over time. Maybe a lot of crust and worthless stuff has amassed and left on this system and I definitely need to clean stuff up and get things back into order. System is cat /etc/os-release NAME="openSUSE Leap" VERSION="42.1" VERSION_ID="42.1" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Leap 42.1 (x86_64)" ID=opensuse -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hello list: zypper lu doesnt say anything about digikam
zypper lu Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Repository | Name | Current Version | Available Version | Arch --+-----------------+------------------+-----------------+-------------------+------- v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-glib8 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-qt4-4 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler-qt5-1 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | libpoppler44 | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64 v | 42.1-update-oss | poppler-tools | 0.24.4-7.1 | 0.24.4-9.1 | x86_64
but still zypper up shows zypper up Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
The following 2 applications are going to be installed: Showfoto digiKam
The following 13 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-doc digikam-lang digikam-libs digikam-plugin-color digikam-plugin-decorate digikam-plugin-enhance digikam-plugin-fxfilters digikam-plugin-transform kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang
The following 6 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1
The following 5 packages are going to be upgraded: libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libpoppler44 poppler-tools
5 packages to upgrade, 13 new, 6 to remove.
Where do these new applications or new packages come from or why do they want to become installed?
I dont even have any other packages installed named anything with kam but rpm -aq | grep -i kam kio_kamera-15.12.1-11.1.x86_64
How does this work? I am trying to understand this suse packaging and software management especially with gold opensuse systems that have come a long way and had been constantly upgraded over time. Maybe a lot of crust and worthless stuff has amassed and left on this system and I definitely need to clean stuff up and get things back into order.
System is cat /etc/os-release NAME="openSUSE Leap" VERSION="42.1" VERSION_ID="42.1" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE Leap 42.1 (x86_64)" ID=opensuse I noticed this also on Leap, when doing a "zypper up --no-recommends". have a customized install with a lot of patterns I deselected at install time. You can mark those packages as taboo (digiKam and Shofoto) and the
On 02/09/2016 04:39 AM, cagsm wrote: problem should go away, but regardless, this should not happen. Tumbleweed does not exhibit the same behaviour, just fyi, with the same type of cherry-picked install. So maybe it's a bug in zypper or libsolv somewhere. From what I could tell on my test Leap install, the removal of libkexiv2-11 triggered the installation of all those unneccessary packages, except on my machine it was digiKam and a bunch of other dependencies which went along with it. sdm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:49 PM, sdm <fastcpu@openmailbox.org> wrote:
I noticed this also on Leap, when doing a "zypper up --no-recommends". have a customized install with a lot of patterns I deselected at install time. You can mark those packages as taboo (digiKam and Shofoto) and the problem should go away, but regardless, this should not happen. Tumbleweed does not exhibit the same behaviour, just fyi, with the same type of cherry-picked install. So maybe it's a bug in zypper or libsolv somewhere. From what I could tell on my test Leap install, the removal of libkexiv2-11 triggered the installation of all those unneccessary packages, except on my machine it was digiKam and a bunch of other dependencies which went along with it.
I dont understand this pattern-business yet. I remember patterns being talked about and printed on screen when installing a fresh opensuse or upgrade offline from the recent years. So are patterns maybe some kind of grouping meta-packages that tell my system that it wants digikam and other stuff, and even rpm -e digikam and other stuff then will bring them back again via zypper up because the higher metalevel grouping package tells that the system wants digikam? tabooing a noninstalled rpm (package) doesnt sound right to me if its not even installed. There must be some logic that makes the package flowing inbound again. And this logic needs to be removed or disabled. I dont have this digikam issue on all suse systems. Some other suse systems have other trouble with packages. So there must be some metainformation that makes the package coming in again even though it is not even installed to begin with and thus doesnt need any updates. Any clues? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-09 13:55, cagsm wrote:
I dont understand this pattern-business yet. I remember patterns being talked about and printed on screen when installing a fresh opensuse or upgrade offline from the recent years. So are patterns maybe some kind of grouping meta-packages that tell my system that it wants digikam and other stuff, and even rpm -e digikam and other stuff then will bring them back again via zypper up because the higher metalevel grouping package tells that the system wants digikam?
Yes, that's about it. Also, till 13.1 there was a feature such that when a package was removed manually it would not be automatically reinstalled if something "soft" wanted it. Apparently this feature had problems and was removed.
tabooing a noninstalled rpm (package) doesnt sound right to me if its not even installed.
Yes, but with the lack of the feature I mentioned above, that's what you have to do; that, or disable "recommends" globally. The latter I consider more intrusive. You ask about the "recommends". This is defined by the packager, based on recommendation from the particular package developers upstream, not by the project. Example. Say you install a file manager. This will need libraries to display windows, and to move files, say. Those are hard requirements. Suppose it has an optional feature to display, in icon size, the content of PDF files. As it is optional, this would be a soft requirement, or a recommend. The program doesn't break without the library to display PDF, just it doesn't have a feature. In this case of yours, probably some installed package says that it wants digikam whatever happens, so zypper up installs it. If you try with YaST, then click on digikam to disable it, and perhaps it will say that it is required by some other package. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
cagsm wrote:
zypper up Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
The following 2 applications are going to be installed: Showfoto digiKam
The following 13 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-doc digikam-lang digikam-libs digikam-plugin-color digikam-plugin-decorate digikam-plugin-enhance digikam-plugin-fxfilters digikam-plugin-transform kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang
The following 6 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1
The following 5 packages are going to be upgraded: libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libpoppler44 poppler-tools
5 packages to upgrade, 13 new, 6 to remove.
Where do these new applications or new packages come from or why do they want to become installed?
They even show up with '--no-recommends'. I think you ought to open a bugreport. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
They even show up with '--no-recommends'. I think you ought to open a bugreport.
What is the idea behind these recommends stuff? Recommended software according to the opensuse project leaders? Software worth having to the whole opensuse userbase? On what terms is this decision being made? Can I disable this globally? Since when do opensuse have this behavior or feature? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:02 PM, cagsm <cumandgets0mem00f@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the idea behind these recommends stuff?... Can I disable this globally?
Yes. See solver.onlyRequires in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the idea behind these recommends stuff?... Can I disable this globally? Yes. See solver.onlyRequires in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf.
Okay thanks for the information. And how is the opensuse project defining and flagging all the packages or where do we discuss what package is a recommended package and so forth? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
cagsm wrote:
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the idea behind these recommends stuff?... Can I disable this globally? Yes. See solver.onlyRequires in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf.
Okay thanks for the information. And how is the opensuse project defining and flagging all the packages or where do we discuss what package is a recommended package and so forth?
That is probably up to the packager. In this case it is still odd that digikam gets installed with an upgrade with --no-recommends. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
That is probably up to the packager. In this case it is still odd that digikam gets installed with an upgrade with --no-recommends.
I never tried that parameter. So did you guys did use that and even then it still gets installed? So bug then, right? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
cagsm wrote:
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
That is probably up to the packager. In this case it is still odd that digikam gets installed with an upgrade with --no-recommends.
I never tried that parameter. So did you guys did use that and even then it still gets installed? So bug then, right? Thanks.
Yep: office34:~ # zypper up --no-recommends Retrieving repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update' metadata ....[done] Building repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update' cache ....[done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... The following 2 applications are going to be installed: digiKam Showfoto The following 2 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-libs The following 7 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkface3 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1 The following 21 packages are going to be upgraded: curl kaccounts-integration kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang libaccounts-qt5-1 libcurl4 libmysqlclient18 libmysqlclient_r18 libmysqld18 libpoppler44 libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libsignon-qt5-1 libzip2 mariadb mariadb-client mariadb-errormessages poppler-tools 21 packages to upgrade, 2 new, 7 to remove. Overall download size: 38.8 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 58.3 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y): -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2016 05:55 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
cagsm wrote:
That is probably up to the packager. In this case it is still odd that digikam gets installed with an upgrade with --no-recommends. I never tried that parameter. So did you guys did use that and even
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote: then it still gets installed? So bug then, right? Thanks. Yep:
office34:~ # zypper up --no-recommends Retrieving repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update' metadata ....[done] Building repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update' cache ....[done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
The following 2 applications are going to be installed: digiKam Showfoto
The following 2 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-libs
The following 7 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkface3 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1
The following 21 packages are going to be upgraded: curl kaccounts-integration kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang libaccounts-qt5-1 libcurl4 libmysqlclient18 libmysqlclient_r18 libmysqld18 libpoppler44 libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libsignon-qt5-1 libzip2 mariadb mariadb-client mariadb-errormessages poppler-tools
21 packages to upgrade, 2 new, 7 to remove. Overall download size: 38.8 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 58.3 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y):
If a bug report gets filed, please post the link here so people can add to it. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
sdm wrote:
On 02/09/2016 05:55 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
cagsm wrote:
That is probably up to the packager. In this case it is still odd that digikam gets installed with an upgrade with --no-recommends. I never tried that parameter. So did you guys did use that and even
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote: then it still gets installed? So bug then, right? Thanks. Yep:
office34:~ # zypper up --no-recommends Retrieving repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update' metadata ....[done] Building repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update' cache ....[done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
The following 2 applications are going to be installed: digiKam Showfoto
The following 2 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-libs
The following 7 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkface3 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1
The following 21 packages are going to be upgraded: curl kaccounts-integration kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang libaccounts-qt5-1 libcurl4 libmysqlclient18 libmysqlclient_r18 libmysqld18 libpoppler44 libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libsignon-qt5-1 libzip2 mariadb mariadb-client mariadb-errormessages poppler-tools
21 packages to upgrade, 2 new, 7 to remove. Overall download size: 38.8 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 58.3 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y):
If a bug report gets filed, please post the link here so people can add to it. Thanks.
https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=965865 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
09.02.2016 16:55, Per Jessen пишет:
cagsm wrote:
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
That is probably up to the packager. In this case it is still odd that digikam gets installed with an upgrade with --no-recommends.
I never tried that parameter. So did you guys did use that and even then it still gets installed? So bug then, right? Thanks.
Yep:
office34:~ # zypper up --no-recommends Retrieving repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update' metadata ....[done] Building repository 'openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update' cache ....[done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
The following 2 applications are going to be installed: digiKam Showfoto
The following 2 NEW packages are going to be installed: digikam digikam-libs
The following 7 packages are going to be REMOVED: libkdcraw23 libkexiv2-11 libkface3 libkgeomap2 libkipi11 libksane0 libmediawiki1
The following 21 packages are going to be upgraded: curl kaccounts-integration kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-acquireimage
10:~ # zypper se --requires digikam Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------------------+-------------------------------------+------------ | Showfoto | Manage your photographs like a pr-> | application | digiKam | Manage your photographs like a pr-> | application | digikam | A KDE Photo Manager | package | digikam-lang | Languages for package digikam | package | digikam-libs | Libraries required to run digikam | package | digikam-plugin-color | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Color | package | digikam-plugin-decorate | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Decorate | package | digikam-plugin-enhance | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Enhance | package | digikam-plugin-fxfilters | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-FxFilters | package | digikam-plugin-transform | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Color | package | kipi-plugins | KDE Plug-Ins for Image Manipulation | package 10:~ # zypper se --requires digikam-libs Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------+-------------------------------------+-------- | digikam | A KDE Photo Manager | package | kipi-plugins | KDE Plug-Ins for Image Manipulation | package 10:~ # So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
kipi-plugins-geolocation kipi-plugins-lang libaccounts-qt5-1 libcurl4 libmysqlclient18 libmysqlclient_r18 libmysqld18 libpoppler44 libpoppler-glib8 libpoppler-qt4-4 libpoppler-qt5-1 libsignon-qt5-1 libzip2 mariadb mariadb-client mariadb-errormessages poppler-tools
21 packages to upgrade, 2 new, 7 to remove. Overall download size: 38.8 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 58.3 MiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y):
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Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
10:~ # zypper se --requires digikam Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------------------+-------------------------------------+------------ | Showfoto | Manage your photographs like a pr-> | application | digiKam | Manage your photographs like a pr-> | application | digikam | A KDE Photo Manager | package | digikam-lang | Languages for package digikam | package | digikam-libs | Libraries required to run digikam | package | digikam-plugin-color | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Color | package | digikam-plugin-decorate | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Decorate | package | digikam-plugin-enhance | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Enhance | package | digikam-plugin-fxfilters | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-FxFilters | package | digikam-plugin-transform | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Color | package | kipi-plugins | KDE Plug-Ins for Image Manipulation | package 10:~ # zypper se --requires digikam-libs Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------+-------------------------------------+-------- | digikam | A KDE Photo Manager | package | kipi-plugins | KDE Plug-Ins for Image Manipulation | package 10:~ #
So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.3°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
10:~ # zypper se --requires digikam Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------------------+-------------------------------------+------------ | Showfoto | Manage your photographs like a pr-> | application | digiKam | Manage your photographs like a pr-> | application | digikam | A KDE Photo Manager | package | digikam-lang | Languages for package digikam | package | digikam-libs | Libraries required to run digikam | package | digikam-plugin-color | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Color | package | digikam-plugin-decorate | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Decorate | package | digikam-plugin-enhance | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Enhance | package | digikam-plugin-fxfilters | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-FxFilters | package | digikam-plugin-transform | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Color | package | kipi-plugins | KDE Plug-Ins for Image Manipulation | package 10:~ # zypper se --requires digikam-libs Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------+-------------------------------------+-------- | digikam | A KDE Photo Manager | package | kipi-plugins | KDE Plug-Ins for Image Manipulation | package 10:~ #
So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
Am I doing this the wrong way: office34:~ # rpm -q --whatrequires digikam no package requires digikam -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2016 02:08 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too? Am I doing this the wrong way:
office34:~ # rpm -q --whatrequires digikam no package requires digikam
Shouldn't that be # rpm -q --whatrequires kipi-plugins -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 02/09/2016 02:08 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too? Am I doing this the wrong way:
office34:~ # rpm -q --whatrequires digikam no package requires digikam
Shouldn't that be
# rpm -q --whatrequires kipi-plugins
I was trying to determine what caused digikam to be installed on an upgrade. Andrei pointed out that it is required by kipi-plugins, so I was expecting to see that listed. /Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2016 04:08 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 02/09/2016 02:08 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too? Am I doing this the wrong way:
office34:~ # rpm -q --whatrequires digikam no package requires digikam
Shouldn't that be
# rpm -q --whatrequires kipi-plugins
I was trying to determine what caused digikam to be installed on an upgrade. Andrei pointed out that it is required by kipi-plugins, so I was expecting to see that listed.
DUH? Whatever made me think digikam required kipi-plugins? I have digikam installed .. # rpm -q --whatrequires kipi-plugins kipi-plugins-lang-4.14.0-53.1.noarch digikam-4.9.0-41.1.x86_64 # rpm -q --whatrequires digikam no package requires digikam -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
09.02.2016 22:08, Per Jessen пишет:
Per Jessen wrote:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
10:~ # zypper se --requires digikam Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------------------+-------------------------------------+------------ | Showfoto | Manage your photographs like a pr-> | application | digiKam | Manage your photographs like a pr-> | application | digikam | A KDE Photo Manager | package | digikam-lang | Languages for package digikam | package | digikam-libs | Libraries required to run digikam | package | digikam-plugin-color | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Color | package | digikam-plugin-decorate | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Decorate | package | digikam-plugin-enhance | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Enhance | package | digikam-plugin-fxfilters | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-FxFilters | package | digikam-plugin-transform | DigiKam: ImagePlugin-Color | package | kipi-plugins | KDE Plug-Ins for Image Manipulation | package 10:~ # zypper se --requires digikam-libs Loading repository data... Reading installed packages...
S | Name | Summary | Type --+--------------+-------------------------------------+-------- | digikam | A KDE Photo Manager | package | kipi-plugins | KDE Plug-Ins for Image Manipulation | package 10:~ #
So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
Am I doing this the wrong way:
office34:~ # rpm -q --whatrequires digikam no package requires digikam
I'm not going to really *install* it for testing, I can only believe zypper. And please do not forget that RPM --whatrequires is much more literal and must be exact. 10:~ # zypper info --requires kipi-plugins Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Information for package kipi-plugins: ------------------------------------- Repository: openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update Name: kipi-plugins Version: 4.14.0-8.1 ... Requires: ... digikam-libs ... 10:~ # zypper info --requires digikam-libs Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Information for package digikam-libs: ------------------------------------- Repository: openSUSE-Leap-42.1-Update Name: digikam-libs Version: 4.14.0-8.1 Arch: x86_64 ... Requires: ... digikam == 4.14.0 10:~ # -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
09.02.2016 22:08, Per Jessen пишет:
Per Jessen wrote:
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I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
Am I doing this the wrong way:
office34:~ # rpm -q --whatrequires digikam no package requires digikam
I'm not going to really *install* it for testing, I can only believe zypper. And please do not forget that RPM --whatrequires is much more literal and must be exact.
Hi Andrei I think this is the issue we're seeing - the current kipi-plugins, at least on my test system, does _not_ require digikam. Presumably this is why I was able to remove digikam without kipi-plugins getting upset. The _new_ kipi-plugins from the update requires digikam-libs, which in turn requires digikam, hence zypper needs to install it. One might wonder why digikam-libs requires digikam, it's usually the other way round. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 10.02.2016 um 08:25 schrieb Per Jessen:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
09.02.2016 22:08, Per Jessen пишет:
Per Jessen wrote:
[snip]
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
Am I doing this the wrong way:
office34:~ # rpm -q --whatrequires digikam no package requires digikam
I'm not going to really *install* it for testing, I can only believe zypper. And please do not forget that RPM --whatrequires is much more literal and must be exact.
Hi Andrei
I think this is the issue we're seeing -
the current kipi-plugins, at least on my test system, does _not_ require digikam. Presumably this is why I was able to remove digikam without kipi-plugins getting upset.
The _new_ kipi-plugins from the update requires digikam-libs, which in turn requires digikam, hence zypper needs to install it.
One might wonder why digikam-libs requires digikam, it's usually the other way round.
I am sure you are right. Just for testing I ran a "zypper rm digikam" as dryrun to see what it wants to do. It will not remove kipi-plugins, it says it will replace it by an older version. Also I am a bit surprised that digikam-libs requires digikam instead of the other way around (which I have missed before to see that strange dependency and misread it) so it is pulled in by an indirect dependency via kipi-plugins when it fetches the digikam-libs which the older one does not need. Strange dependencies here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2016 10:53 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
Guys: Are we all running on 250 Meg drives again, or what? -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On 02/09/2016 10:53 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
Guys: Are we all running on 250 Meg drives again, or what?
Nah, it's not about space, it's about unwanted fluff. /Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2016 04:04 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Nah, it's not about space, it's about unwanted fluff.
+1, but on "1" -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
9. února 2016 19:53:57 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
No, it can be used by another applications (Gwenview among others)... -- Vojtěch Zeisek http://trapa.cz/cs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
9. února 2016 19:53:57 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
No, it can be used by another applications (Gwenview among others)...
Yes, but when it won't work without 'digikam'? /Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
9. února 2016 22:04:08 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
9. února 2016 19:53:57 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
No, it can be used by another applications (Gwenview among others)...
Yes, but when it won't work without 'digikam'?
Sorry? May be we don't understand each other... Kipi plugins does not need any single application to run. It can run with various KDE applications and provide the services. So it *can* work without digiKam (it depends on another available applications). -- Vojtěch Zeisek http://trapa.cz/cs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
9. února 2016 22:04:08 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
9. února 2016 19:53:57 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
No, it can be used by another applications (Gwenview among others)...
Yes, but when it won't work without 'digikam'?
Sorry? May be we don't understand each other... Kipi plugins does not need any single application to run. It can run with various KDE applications and provide the services. So it *can* work without digiKam (it depends on another available applications).
I was under the impression that kipi-plugins has a Requires: for digikam which is what causes digikam to be installed when one does a zypper up. /Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I was under the impression that kipi-plugins has a Requires: for digikam which is what causes digikam to be installed when one does a zypper up. /Per
Am 09.02.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Per Jessen: the only dependency I can find for digikam is a soft one, it is recommended (but not required) by patterns-openSUSE-kde_imaging -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
9. února 2016 22:04:08 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
9. února 2016 19:53:57 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
No, it can be used by another applications (Gwenview among others)...
Yes, but when it won't work without 'digikam'?
Sorry? May be we don't understand each other... Kipi plugins does not need any single application to run.
Hi Vojtěch the most recent kipi-plugins (from the update) does require digikam-libs which requires digikam. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
10. února 2016 8:26:36 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
9. února 2016 22:04:08 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
9. února 2016 19:53:57 CET, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> napsal:
Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
So digikam is required by kipi-plugins which is going to be updated.
I removed digikam today, shouldn't kipi-plugins have been automatically removed too?
No, it can be used by another applications (Gwenview among others)...
Yes, but when it won't work without 'digikam'?
Sorry? May be we don't understand each other... Kipi plugins does not need any single application to run.
Hi Vojtěch
the most recent kipi-plugins (from the update) does require digikam-libs which requires digikam.
Hm, then it is new and IMHO it shouldn't be so... -- Vojtěch Zeisek http://trapa.cz/cs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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