I've been thinking about the future of usr local bin, whether to create a full GNOME install (probably starting with GNOME 2.4.0 when it comes out) for SuSE, or whether to just stick with doing the apps, and occasionally have to let versions lag as I wait for an updated SuSE release (as happened in the run-up to 8.2 with Gnumeric and AbiWord) when major things change under the hood. My musings are in my latest Blog entry on www.rubberturnip.org.uk and I'd appreciate any thoughts people, especially those who already use the packages from my site, may have. Thanks for your time guys, the great feedback I get has really kept the site going so far. James -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
I love your apps updates for me stay the same thanks On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 08:28, James Ogley wrote:
I've been thinking about the future of usr local bin, whether to create a full GNOME install (probably starting with GNOME 2.4.0 when it comes out) for SuSE, or whether to just stick with doing the apps, and occasionally have to let versions lag as I wait for an updated SuSE release (as happened in the run-up to 8.2 with Gnumeric and AbiWord) when major things change under the hood.
My musings are in my latest Blog entry on www.rubberturnip.org.uk and I'd appreciate any thoughts people, especially those who already use the packages from my site, may have.
Thanks for your time guys, the great feedback I get has really kept the site going so far.
James -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, James Ogley wrote:
I've been thinking about the future of usr local bin, whether to create [...]
What are the relative numbers of downloads for the different packages? That might help answer the question regarding who is only interested in getting individual packages as against those who would like a full gnome distribution. However, I'm guessing, but I think the latter is probably what you're itching to do. In which case: do both ... -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd Appleton House 139 King Street Hammersmith W6 9JG ------------------ 020 8846 3923 ------------------ roger@suse.co.uk ------------------
Hi guys, This has now taken a possible turn for the worst... This question prompted an analysis of the site usage for the last year or so, since it was moved onto a cluster of new web servers. Up until now, usr local bin has existed and persisted as a result of the good will of my employer. I am extremely grateful to them for providing the hardware and bandwidth, that the site has required. There was really no need for them to do this, and they have provided this service to the SuSE community as much as I have. However, after reading the report on the usage as produced for me by my boss, I think that said good will may be about to run out. The trend has been that the traffic on the site has been increasing. Over the last seven days, the average traffic has been over 500M/day, with some days topping 1G. Last month, I served 13.6G, and already this month, it's been 11.2G! You can see why this would cause concern. Bottom line is the very existence of the site may be in jeopardy, given I can't afford the hardware to expand the options of what packages I provide, I certainly can't afford the sort of hosting the site requires now, never mind what it would require were I to create a full GNOME distribution. Right now, I'm asking if anyone knows of potential sponsors, anyone who can offer hosting with the sort of disk space and bandwidth I need, ideally in the UK, for free. The site currently stands at just under 300M, but with a full GNOME distribution, this would grow a lot. Again, many thanks for all the support I've been shown. James
What are the relative numbers of downloads for the different packages? That might help answer the question regarding who is only interested in getting individual packages as against those who would like a full gnome distribution. However, I'm guessing, but I think the latter is probably what you're itching to do. In which case: do both ... -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 17 July 2003 04:21 am, James Ogley wrote:
Hi guys,
This has now taken a possible turn for the worst...
This question prompted an analysis of the site usage for the last year or so, since it was moved onto a cluster of new web servers.
Up until now, usr local bin has existed and persisted as a result of the good will of my employer. I am extremely grateful to them for providing the hardware and bandwidth, that the site has required. There was really no need for them to do this, and they have provided this service to the SuSE community as much as I have.
However, after reading the report on the usage as produced for me by my boss, I think that said good will may be about to run out.
The trend has been that the traffic on the site has been increasing. Over the last seven days, the average traffic has been over 500M/day, with some days topping 1G.
Last month, I served 13.6G, and already this month, it's been 11.2G!
You can see why this would cause concern.
Bottom line is the very existence of the site may be in jeopardy, given I can't afford the hardware to expand the options of what packages I provide, I certainly can't afford the sort of hosting the site requires now, never mind what it would require were I to create a full GNOME distribution.
Right now, I'm asking if anyone knows of potential sponsors, anyone who can offer hosting with the sort of disk space and bandwidth I need, ideally in the UK, for free. The site currently stands at just under 300M, but with a full GNOME distribution, this would grow a lot.
Again, many thanks for all the support I've been shown.
James
Well, I've haven't been a fan of Gnome for a while now. But that withstanding the service you and your employer have provided is testimony to the nature of OSS and Linux. That said I think this is a call to action for all those that benefited from your service. I for one am not presently in a position to help you right now. But, with those on the list, their personal/professional contacts and relationships should be utilized if possible to help get ULB to a place that it can thrive. Well, guys - List members! Any takers, comments, suggestions? Cheers, Curtis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Fm0FiqnGhdjCOJsRArcsAJ4v4dN7wzLB4CvxvMe04rftstEjggCdE+MK FrVb+86DN4nLqEMi5PrOFk8= =Pbu+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Op donderdag 17 juli 2003 11:31, schreef Curtis Rey:
Well, I've haven't been a fan of Gnome for a while now. But that withstanding the service you and your employer have provided is testimony to the nature of OSS and Linux. That said I think this is a call to action for all those that benefited from your service. I for one am not presently in a position to help you right now. But, with those on the list, their personal/professional contacts and relationships should be utilized if possible to help get ULB to a place that it can thrive.
Well, guys - List members! Any takers, comments, suggestions?
It's already mirrored for a long time at ftp://ftp.gwdg.de! The rpms of the previous SuSE versions are still being offered at gwdg. See ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.0-i386/RPMS.usr-local-bin/ ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.1-i386/RPMS.usr-local-bin/ ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.2-i386/RPMS.usr-local-bin/ gwdg.de is accessible via rsync, so it is very easy to mirror. My suggestion is to contact the ftp administrator of gwdg.de and obtain a login, and store the rpms over there. The following is a point of critism (I hope that I may). Is it really needed to announce everyday that packages have been build and released? People can check several websites to see which packages have been updated. James is the only one, announcing the package releases. Should the folks of packman, suser-kpietrz, suser-cousin, functronics and even suse-people be doing the same? -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
* Richard Bos (radoeka@xs4all.nl) [030717 11:25]:
It's already mirrored for a long time at ftp://ftp.gwdg.de! The rpms of the previous SuSE versions are still being offered at gwdg. See ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.0-i386/RPMS.usr-local-bin/ ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.1-i386/RPMS.usr-local-bin/ ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.2-i386/RPMS.usr-local-bin/
gwdg.de is accessible via rsync, so it is very easy to mirror.
My suggestion is to contact the ftp administrator of gwdg.de and obtain a login, and store the rpms over there.
The following is a point of critism (I hope that I may). Is it really needed to announce everyday that packages have been build and released? People can check several websites to see which packages have been updated. James is the only one, announcing the package releases. Should the folks of packman, suser-kpietrz, suser-cousin, functronics and even suse-people be doing the same?
Richard, I don't think anyone is forcing James to say " Here ya go..new builds "..he does it just because he likes to make sure people have new and cool stuff. :) Regards, -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
On Thursday 17 July 2003 1:22 pm, Richard
The following is a point of critism (I hope that I may). Is it really needed to announce everyday that packages have been build and released? People can check
My 2 cents. :) I think if he enjoys it, announce away. I have come to enjoy every time I see him announce a new gaim or xchat rpm. -Trey
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On Thursday 17 July 2003 1:22 pm, Richard
The following is a point of critism (I hope that I may). Is it really needed to announce everyday that packages have been build and released? People can check
My 2 cents. :) I think if he enjoys it, announce away. I have come to enjoy every time I see him announce a new gaim or xchat rpm. -Trey
I have to admit that I liked the announcements alot better when James was still supporting 8.1, but, that said, I certainly would rather allow a private individual to announce the availability of SuSified packages than not have the packages available at all. - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/F0wCBwgxlylUsJARAgzRAJ0bYE0y6eOHPVsjlyJq8gbJOYrLhACdFPaA ldE9hPJAV9VDfbcl3KjTIO4= =Po7J -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thursday 17 July 2003 20:22, Richard Bos wrote: [....] | The following is a point of critism (I hope that I may). Is it really needed | to announce everyday that packages have been build and released? People can | check several websites to see which packages have been updated. James is the | only one, announcing the package releases. Should the folks of packman, | suser-kpietrz, suser-cousin, functronics and even suse-people be doing the | same? Well, I don't mind and I don't think it is OT to post it here as well. Anyway ... I would like to see more announcements like that .. Cheers' Fab
On Thursday 17 July 2003 20:22, Richard Bos wrote: [....] | The following is a point of critism (I hope that I may). Is it really needed | to announce everyday that packages have been build and released? People can | check several websites to see which packages have been updated. James is the | only one, announcing the package releases. Should the folks of packman, | suser-kpietrz, suser-cousin, functronics and even suse-people be doing the | same?
I'm glad he not only takes the time to build the RPM's but announce them as well. I'm also a KDE fan but use numerous Gnome apps (Mozilla, Evolution, Gaim, etc) and his builds have helped to stabilize my installation of not just the apps but SuSE itself. I look forward to his announcements...I'm a huge fan of SuSE but they're very slow about app updates (I know, it's not like they aren't busy enough as it is.) Zach
On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 14:08, Zach Smith wrote:
On Thursday 17 July 2003 20:22, Richard Bos wrote: [....] | The following is a point of critism (I hope that I may). Is it really needed | to announce everyday that packages have been build and released? People can | check several websites to see which packages have been updated. James is the | only one, announcing the package releases. Should the folks of packman, | suser-kpietrz, suser-cousin, functronics and even suse-people be doing the | same?
I'm glad he not only takes the time to build the RPM's but announce them as well. I'm also a KDE fan but use numerous Gnome apps (Mozilla, Evolution, Gaim, etc) and his builds have helped to stabilize my installation of not just the apps but SuSE itself. I look forward to his announcements...I'm a huge fan of SuSE but they're very slow about app updates (I know, it's not like they aren't busy enough as it is.)
Zach
I'm with Zach here. Thank you James for everything. And I'd love it if other people making SuSE rpms would post about them. This list really helps enhance my SuSE Linux experience, not just by learning about when things don't work (although that is a Good Thing), but by learning when special things are available. I would never have known about James's work without this list, and I would definitely be the poorer for it. James has contributed directly to my happiness and productivity in using Linux because his versions of Evo and Moz are what I work with every day. Thanks again, Malke -- Elephant Boy Computers www.elephantboycomputers.com Don't Panic!
Op donderdag 17 juli 2003 20:22, schreef Richard Bos:
The following is a point of critism (I hope that I may). Is it really needed to announce everyday that packages have been build and released? People can check several websites to see which packages have been updated. James is the only one, announcing the package releases. Should the folks of packman, suser-kpietrz, suser-cousin, functronics and even suse-people be doing the same?
Like all of you I'm glad with the rpms James provide, I use some of them myself with great pleasure, but... Ben said: he is not is forced, but neither are the folks at packman, funktronics the susers, etc. They don't announce their updates here. Fab (hi Fab, nice to see here ;) said: It's not OT. There is a usr-local-bin-announcements emaillist, does that make the announcement messages on suse-linux-e OT, as the interessed people can just subscribe to the announcement list or visit the ulb website? Is a freshrpms for suse webpage not sufficient to cover all the above. Maybe the current one is not fancy enough, or does it not provide information or references to the sites providing the packages. In that case it would be nice if someone stands up, and improves the page. The current houses at: http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms.html I'm not meant to be negative, as said I just wanted to question James' announcements. We're happy with them, and that's good :)) -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
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Op donderdag 17 juli 2003 11:31, schreef Curtis Rey:
Well, I've haven't been a fan of Gnome for a while now. But that withstanding the service you and your employer have provided is testimony to the nature of OSS and Linux. That said I think this is a call to action for all those that benefited from your service. I for one am not presently in a position to help you right now. But, with those on the list, their personal/professional contacts and relationships should be utilized if possible to help get ULB to a place that it can thrive.
Well, guys - List members! Any takers, comments, suggestions?
It's already mirrored for a long time at ftp://ftp.gwdg.de! The rpms of the previous SuSE versions are still being offered at gwdg. See ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.0-i386/RPMS.usr-local-bin/ ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.1-i386/RPMS.usr-local-bin/ ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.2-i386/RPMS.usr-local-bin/
gwdg.de is accessible via rsync, so it is very easy to mirror.
My suggestion is to contact the ftp administrator of gwdg.de and obtain a login, and store the rpms over there.
I was about to suggest the same - as gwdg.de is already mirroring the
stuff anyway, why not simply putting the files there by default?
Additionally, you could change the links on your web pages to link to
gwdg.de directly - this would most likely reduce your site traffic a lot.
I am getting the same problem here - my little site currently runs on my
home box (which is not always online) - if two or three people download
packages in parallel, my uplink is saturated.
Bye,
LenZ
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James Ogley wrote:
Right now, I'm asking if anyone knows of potential sponsors, anyone who can offer hosting with the sort of disk space and bandwidth I need, ideally in the UK, for free. The site currently stands at just under 300M, but with a full GNOME distribution, this would grow a lot.
Can't you speak to SuSE? Seems to me that you're supporting their product and that they could spare a few MB of disc space ;-) sjb
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 10:21:07AM +0100, james@usr-local-bin.org wrote: [snip]
Right now, I'm asking if anyone knows of potential sponsors, anyone who can offer hosting with the sort of disk space and bandwidth I need, ideally in the UK, for free. The site currently stands at just under 300M, but with a full GNOME distribution, this would grow a lot.
You could try contacting the people behind www.ukfsn.org. -- David Smith Work Email: Dave.Smith@st.com STMicroelectronics Home Email: David.Smith@ds-electronics.co.uk Bristol, England GPG Key: 0xF13192F2
James, et al -- I'm new to the SLE, having signed up with questions already in hand, but your site sounds very neat and I hope to swing by. Kinda like sunfreeware or so. Thanks for your efforts! I wish you luck hosting, too. My server isn't solely my own or I'd offer you space; 300M or so is nothing and 15G of traffic is bearable. You might consider - sourceforge hosting (do they have "projects" that big?) - mirrors (to cut the traffic impact) - some local ISP with a big "thanks" on your page and donation money from your visitors to take care of the hosting and (here's where the thanks comes in) the bandwidth to keep your packages available. Thanks again & HTH & Good Luck & HAND :-D -- David T-G * There is too much animal courage in (play) davidtg@justpickone.org * society and not sufficient moral courage. (work) davidtgwork@justpickone.org -- Mary Baker Eddy, "Science and Health" http://justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg!
hi, I wonder if mirror.ac.uk might be able to help you? rob David T-G wrote:
James, et al --
I'm new to the SLE, having signed up with questions already in hand, but your site sounds very neat and I hope to swing by. Kinda like sunfreeware or so. Thanks for your efforts!
I wish you luck hosting, too. My server isn't solely my own or I'd offer you space; 300M or so is nothing and 15G of traffic is bearable.
You might consider
- sourceforge hosting (do they have "projects" that big?)
- mirrors (to cut the traffic impact)
- some local ISP with a big "thanks" on your page and donation money from your visitors to take care of the hosting and (here's where the thanks comes in) the bandwidth
to keep your packages available.
Thanks again & HTH & Good Luck & HAND
:-D
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Howdy all, welcome to the final answer to my ponderings
Bottom line is the very existence of the site may be in jeopardy, given I can't afford the hardware to expand the options of what packages I provide, I certainly can't afford the sort of hosting the site requires now, never mind what it would require were I to create a full GNOME distribution.
I've subsequently spoken to my boss, and although he didn't say it outright, I got the impression that I'm not going to be asked to move the site off the company web servers. I suspect I over-reacted and panicked a bit, understandably though I think. However, as I've said in my latest blog entry, I also feel that it might be tempting fate, and pushing my luck to expand the site to a full GNOME distribution with the added disk space and traffic that will result in, so in a round-about way, I've come to an answer to my question of yesterday. usr-local-bin.org will, for the time being at least, continue to provide packages of the applications and their dependencies, as well as the themes and misc stuff sections. I want to express my deep gratitude for all the messages of support I've had over the last couple of days, it's so good to know people find the site so useful. James -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
I want to express my deep gratitude for all the messages of support I've had over the last couple of days, it's so good to know people find the site so useful.
James
James, I use gaim, xchat & gimp alot. Without your site & pacmans, I probably would not still be using suse. I like suse, but I really like gnome apps. Although I don't use KDE or Gnome. Thank you very much. Now if only someone could make a suse rpm for xmame.70.1 :) How do you learn howto make rpms anyway? I'd like to make a xmame rpm from the redhat rpm, but I don't know where to begin. Is there a FAQ/Tutorial for RPM building? -Trey
I've recently changed from KDE to GNOME, so I would love to see precompiled GNOME packages for SuSE. /Lars James Ogley wrote:
I've been thinking about the future of usr local bin, whether to create a full GNOME install (probably starting with GNOME 2.4.0 when it comes out) for SuSE, or whether to just stick with doing the apps, and occasionally have to let versions lag as I wait for an updated SuSE release (as happened in the run-up to 8.2 with Gnumeric and AbiWord) when major things change under the hood.
My musings are in my latest Blog entry on www.rubberturnip.org.uk and I'd appreciate any thoughts people, especially those who already use the packages from my site, may have.
Thanks for your time guys, the great feedback I get has really kept the site going so far.
James
On Wednesday 16 July 2003 1:28 pm, James Ogley wrote:
I've been thinking about the future of usr local bin, whether to create a full GNOME install
James. I am changing over from KDE to Gnome, so would like to add my "vote" for a ULB version of Gnome. I would willingly send a donation. Cheers Keith
What would be the difference compared to ximian (which I'm running now and liking a lot)
My experience of Ximian's desktop offering is that when it works on SuSE, it's more by luck than design, they focus on RH & Debian, SuSE often seems like an after thought. Plus, no Dread Carpet to screw up your system (not saying it will, just that I've been burnt in the past) -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2). GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
Hi James I don't use Gnome but I do use Gnucash, Mozilla and Galeon. The installation of these programs esp Gnucash was soooooooooooooo..... easy. On the Gnucash side I have recommended your website several times. AFAIC you can leave it as it is. Thanks for all the great work. -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. On Wednesday 16 July 2003 01:28, James Ogley wrote:
I've been thinking about the future of usr local bin, whether to create a full GNOME install (probably starting with GNOME 2.4.0 when it comes out) for SuSE, or whether to just stick with doing the apps, and occasionally have to let versions lag as I wait for an updated SuSE release (as happened in the run-up to 8.2 with Gnumeric and AbiWord) when major things change under the hood.
My musings are in my latest Blog entry on www.rubberturnip.org.uk and I'd appreciate any thoughts people, especially those who already use the packages from my site, may have.
Thanks for your time guys, the great feedback I get has really kept the site going so far.
James -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
On Wednesday 16 July 2003 07:28, James Ogley wrote:
I've been thinking about the future of usr local bin, whether to create a full GNOME install (probably starting with GNOME 2.4.0 when it comes out) for SuSE, [snip, snip]
James
I used to use Gnome. I went with KDE when I loaded SuSE after abandoning RH. I would love to go back to Gnome as I really preferred it to KDE, but SuSE's Gnome is usually somewhat weak or behind or both. If I could get my hands on a good working version of Gnome, I would definitely consider going back to Gnome. -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL
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