Ximian2 - Need the monkey out
Hi: I am running SuSE 8.2 Pro, and installed Ximian 2 using instructions posted on Novel's site. The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency problems, to the point that I can not install nor update any packages now. Is there a way to uninstall Ximian and get my system the way it was before? Thank you. -- Alfredo J. Cole Grupo ACyC www.acyc.com - www.clshonduras.com
Hi:
I am running SuSE 8.2 Pro, and installed Ximian 2 using instructions posted on Novel's site.
The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency problems, to the point that I can not install nor update any packages now. Is there a way to uninstall Ximian and get my system the way it was before?
I sympathise - I've been there myself! In the past, I found I had to resort to a reinstall to get everything working properly again, but when apt for SuSE became available, I found I could usually install new software using that, rather that YaST or YOU. Take a look at http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/ for more info. I am sure there used to be a ximian apt repository available, which would probably make dependency resolution easier but I'm not sure if it's still there and I don't use Ximian Gnome any more. I am sure others will know the answer to that one. Good luck. David
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The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency
You can't uninstall - you have to use Red Carpet for all updates. Just point your Red Carpet at one of the public mirrors and look at Open Carpet for more repositories.
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 08:04, Jesse Pretorius wrote:
The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency
You can't uninstall - you have to use Red Carpet for all updates. Just point your Red Carpet at one of the public mirrors and look at Open Carpet for more repositories.
Or install Synaptic, and then update all of the ximian- packages with non-ximian packages. Which is what I did, having made the mistake of using Red-Carpet to upgrade my copy of Evolution, which lost me Glaeon, which cost me....... Mike -- who forgot how bad Red-Carpet was, and did a reinstall to fix the thing
On Sunday 01 August 2004 15:28, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 08:04, Jesse Pretorius wrote:
The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency
You can't uninstall - you have to use Red Carpet for all updates. Just point your Red Carpet at one of the public mirrors and look at Open Carpet for more repositories.
Or install Synaptic, and then update all of the ximian- packages with non-ximian packages. Which is what I did, having made the mistake of using Red-Carpet to upgrade my copy of Evolution, which lost me Glaeon, which cost me.......
...your sanity? red carpet told you exactly what it was going to do. It even told you why. You upgraded some packages, which broke dependencies, and red carpet said "hey, if you're going to upgrade these packages, then these other packages won't work any more, so I'm going to remove them as well" But you didn't read it, did you. "Mommy, it wants me to read something! Make it go away". So now "red carpet is bad" Guess what else: this wasn't because of red carpet, it was because of rpm dependencies. Any rpm tool would have done the exact same thing Guess what else: you just replaced apt with apt, since functionality in apt/synaptic is close to identical with rcd/red carpet, and the packages in red carpet come from the same source as those in synaptic, at least so far
Mike -- who forgot how bad Red-Carpet was, and did a reinstall to fix the thing
Anders -- who forgot that microsoft sometimes have a point when they blame "user error". Installing packages without verification, clicking away information dialogs without reading them - we're *this* close to virus hell PS. It's very possible to uninstall ximian's software. It's not even hard. It's a little time consuming, since package tools aren't really designed for downgrades, but it's possible. PPS. Please stop the FUD. It's not advisable to use YaST's packaging tool together with any other packaging tool, since YaST keeps insisting on reinstalling stuff from the CDs. But it's very possible to use YOU together with red carpet. apt/synaptic will have the exact same issues
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 09:47, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 01 August 2004 15:28, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 08:04, Jesse Pretorius wrote:
The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency
You can't uninstall - you have to use Red Carpet for all updates. Just point your Red Carpet at one of the public mirrors and look at Open Carpet for more repositories.
Or install Synaptic, and then update all of the ximian- packages with non-ximian packages. Which is what I did, having made the mistake of using Red-Carpet to upgrade my copy of Evolution, which lost me Galeon, which cost me.......
...your sanity? red carpet told you exactly what it was going to do. It even told you why. You upgraded some packages, which broke dependencies, and red carpet said "hey, if you're going to upgrade these packages, then these other packages won't work any more, so I'm going to remove them as well"
...Quite a bit of time, which is what I thought Red-Carpet was intended to save. Galeon broke because all of the software it needed didn't get dl'ed, which it did tell me about. It also told me how much of the system it wanted to change, and I did agree to it.
But you didn't read it, did you. "Mommy, it wants me to read something! Make it go away". So now "red carpet is bad"
I wouldn't say that Anders. What I would say is that my experience with it has been less than starling.
Guess what else: this wasn't because of red carpet, it was because of rpm dependencies. Any rpm tool would have done the exact same thing
Gee? Really? Who'd a thunk it.
Guess what else: you just replaced apt with apt, since functionality in apt/synaptic is close to identical with rcd/red carpet, and the packages in red carpet come from the same source as those in synaptic, at least so far
That's the funny part Anders, Synaptic hasn't had the negative effect in the system that Red-Carpet has had. In fact it has helped a good deal.
Mike -- who forgot how bad Red-Carpet was, and did a reinstall to fix the thing
Anders -- who forgot that microsoft sometimes have a point when they blame "user error". Installing packages without verification, clicking away information dialogs without reading them - we're *this* close to virus hell
Oddly enough I do read things Anders, I also understand them.
PS. It's very possible to uninstall ximian's software. It's not even hard. It's a little time consuming, since package tools aren't really designed for downgrades, but it's possible.
PPS. Please stop the FUD. It's not advisable to use YaST's packaging tool together with any other packaging tool, since YaST keeps insisting on reinstalling stuff from the CDs. But it's very possible to use YOU together with red carpet. apt/synaptic will have the exact same issues
I haven't had any Yast/synaptic problems. One hasn't complained about what the other has done. Mike
On Sunday 01 August 2004 16:03, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 09:47, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 01 August 2004 15:28, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 08:04, Jesse Pretorius wrote:
The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency
You can't uninstall - you have to use Red Carpet for all updates. Just point your Red Carpet at one of the public mirrors and look at Open Carpet for more repositories.
Or install Synaptic, and then update all of the ximian- packages with non-ximian packages. Which is what I did, having made the mistake of using Red-Carpet to upgrade my copy of Evolution, which lost me Galeon, which cost me.......
...your sanity? red carpet told you exactly what it was going to do. It even told you why. You upgraded some packages, which broke dependencies, and red carpet said "hey, if you're going to upgrade these packages, then these other packages won't work any more, so I'm going to remove them as well"
...Quite a bit of time, which is what I thought Red-Carpet was intended to save. Galeon broke because all of the software it needed didn't get dl'ed, which it did tell me about.
Excuse me? Last I checked, red carpet downloads everything before it even starts to install anything. If a download fails, the install/upgrade never starts, so how can anything break? We are talking about rc2, right? You're not talking about things that happened two years ago I hope
It also told me how much of the system it wanted to change, and I did agree to it.
But you didn't read it, did you. "Mommy, it wants me to read something! Make it go away". So now "red carpet is bad"
I wouldn't say that Anders. What I would say is that my experience with it has been less than starling.
Guess what else: this wasn't because of red carpet, it was because of rpm dependencies. Any rpm tool would have done the exact same thing
Gee? Really? Who'd a thunk it.
Sarcasm like this usually means "this is so blatantly obvious I'm going to make fun of it", do I read that correctly? But if you realize that it's a dependency problem, why blame the tool?
Guess what else: you just replaced apt with apt, since functionality in apt/synaptic is close to identical with rcd/red carpet, and the packages in red carpet come from the same source as those in synaptic, at least so far
That's the funny part Anders, Synaptic hasn't had the negative effect in the system that Red-Carpet has had. In fact it has helped a good deal.
Funny. They are just about identical
Mike -- who forgot how bad Red-Carpet was, and did a reinstall to fix the thing
Anders -- who forgot that microsoft sometimes have a point when they blame "user error". Installing packages without verification, clicking away information dialogs without reading them - we're *this* close to virus hell
Oddly enough I do read things Anders, I also understand them.
brave statement
PS. It's very possible to uninstall ximian's software. It's not even hard. It's a little time consuming, since package tools aren't really designed for downgrades, but it's possible.
PPS. Please stop the FUD. It's not advisable to use YaST's packaging tool together with any other packaging tool, since YaST keeps insisting on reinstalling stuff from the CDs. But it's very possible to use YOU together with red carpet. apt/synaptic will have the exact same issues
I haven't had any Yast/synaptic problems. One hasn't complained about what the other has done.
YaST doesn't complain. It just installs
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 10:21, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 01 August 2004 16:03, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 09:47, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 01 August 2004 15:28, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 08:04, Jesse Pretorius wrote:
The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency
You can't uninstall - you have to use Red Carpet for all updates. Just point your Red Carpet at one of the public mirrors and look at Open Carpet for more repositories.
Or install Synaptic, and then update all of the ximian- packages with non-ximian packages. Which is what I did, having made the mistake of using Red-Carpet to upgrade my copy of Evolution, which lost me Galeon, which cost me.......
...your sanity? red carpet told you exactly what it was going to do. It even told you why. You upgraded some packages, which broke dependencies, and red carpet said "hey, if you're going to upgrade these packages, then these other packages won't work any more, so I'm going to remove them as well"
...Quite a bit of time, which is what I thought Red-Carpet was intended to save. Galeon broke because all of the software it needed didn't get dl'ed, which it did tell me about.
Excuse me? Last I checked, red carpet downloads everything before it even starts to install anything. If a download fails, the install/upgrade never starts, so how can anything break?
The fault was with in the libgal file, it wasn't compatible with the new version of Galeon.
We are talking about rc2, right? You're not talking about things that happened two years ago I hope
I am talking about things that happened this spring, not two years ago.
It also told me how much of the system it wanted to change, and I did agree to it.
But you didn't read it, did you. "Mommy, it wants me to read something! Make it go away". So now "red carpet is bad"
I wouldn't say that Anders. What I would say is that my experience with it has been less than starling.
Guess what else: this wasn't because of red carpet, it was because of rpm dependencies. Any rpm tool would have done the exact same thing
Gee? Really? Who'd a thunk it.
Sarcasm like this usually means "this is so blatantly obvious I'm going to make fun of it", do I read that correctly?
No it means I need an attitude adjustment. I'm sorry about the sarcasm, Anders. That kind of crap really gets no one anywhere and I'm guilty of using it. My apologies for the tone, it was uncalled for.
But if you realize that it's a dependency problem, why blame the tool?
It did not update the proper file that Galeon needed, either by not accounting for it, or not making sure it had correctly dl'ed before making changes to the system. I dropped to a shell and tried to run Galeon only to find a problem with the libgal (this is the only part of the name that I can remember,) file.
Guess what else: you just replaced apt with apt, since functionality in apt/synaptic is close to identical with rcd/red carpet, and the packages in red carpet come from the same source as those in synaptic, at least so far
That's the funny part Anders, Synaptic hasn't had the negative effect in the system that Red-Carpet has had. In fact it has helped a good deal.
Funny. They are just about identical
What's the difference between the two. Coding?, sources?, packaging?
Mike -- who forgot how bad Red-Carpet was, and did a reinstall to fix the thing
Anders -- who forgot that microsoft sometimes have a point when they blame "user error". Installing packages without verification, clicking away information dialogs without reading them - we're *this* close to virus hell
Oddly enough I do read things Anders, I also understand them.
brave statement
True, but true.
PS. It's very possible to uninstall ximian's software. It's not even hard. It's a little time consuming, since package tools aren't really designed for downgrades, but it's possible.
PPS. Please stop the FUD. It's not advisable to use YaST's packaging tool together with any other packaging tool, since YaST keeps insisting on reinstalling stuff from the CDs. But it's very possible to use YOU together with red carpet. apt/synaptic will have the exact same issues
I haven't had any Yast/synaptic problems. One hasn't complained about what the other has done.
YaST doesn't complain. It just installs
Above you say it will insist on reinstalling stuff from the CD, I have not had it do that.
El Dom 01 Ago 2004 06:04, Jesse Pretorius escribió:
The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency
You can't uninstall - you have to use Red Carpet for all updates. Just point your Red Carpet at one of the public mirrors and look at Open Carpet for more repositories.
Well, it kind of reminds me of what happened to DR-DOS, Multiuser DOS, WordPerfect, etc., after Novell bought them. Maybe SuSE is going the same direction, since Novell announced Ximian will be the default desktop in 9.2. Thank you. -- Alfredo J. Cole Grupo ACyC www.acyc.com - www.clshonduras.com
On Sat, 2004-07-31 at 15:59, Alfredo Cole wrote:
Hi:
I am running SuSE 8.2 Pro, and installed Ximian 2 using instructions posted on Novel's site.
The install went fine, and Ximian runs fine also. The problem is that installing any new software using Yast results in numerous dependency problems, to the point that I can not install nor update any packages now. Is there a way to uninstall Ximian and get my system the way it was before?
Hehe, yes but it's a bit work. You'll have to either forceupgrade a number of libs (ca 20 - 30 rpms ) backu to the latest original suselibs. This will take you about 1 hour on a broadbanc connection. Basicly: rpm -qa |grep ximian Now you know which packages you need to downgrade. Then rpm -qa |grep ximian |perl -ni -e '$n = m/(\w+)-(\d+)/; print $1. "\n" ;' to get a list of the packages w/o the versionumbers. I'm not sure, but maybe you can use apt-get with the -d (only downlod) switch to get the packages, if not, you'll have to ftp to a suse mirror ang download them from there (remember to get the secure versions!). Also remember not only the --force switch to rpm but also the --oldpackage for downgrading packages. Very usefull IMHO. Cheers, Tarjei
Thank you.
-- Alfredo J. Cole Grupo ACyC www.acyc.com - www.clshonduras.com
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