[opensuse] Re: Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3
BandiPat wrote:
On Saturday 01 September 2007, Matthew Stringer wrote:
Hi, [...] Couple of things I've not pinned down, main one is the motherboard, I'm leaning towards an Asus P5K3 Deluxe as it ticks all the boxes and looks sufficiently high quality to last.
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0&model=1645&m odelmenu=1
Although I'm happy that the chipset will be supported I've not found any info regarding the built in periferals (i.e LAN, Wi-Fi, FireWire etc).
In addition to using the machine as a regular desktop I also want to use it as part of my hobby recording studio (synth music) and have decided to take the plunge and use the DAW/studio software Linux has to offer so a nice quick stable machine is important.
If anyone has an opinion on this mobo I'd be interested in hearing it.
Kindest regards
Matthew =============
You take your chances with anything ASUS teaming it up with Linux. There are better choices.
bye if you don not mind, could you kindly name them?
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On 2007/09/02 07:51 (GMT-0400) Eberhard Roloff apparently typed:
BandiPat wrote:
You take your chances with anything ASUS teaming it up with Linux. There are better choices.
if you don not mind, could you kindly name them?
The real point is that ASUS support staff is openly hostile to Linux users who require and attempt to get support (e.g., RMA for defective product) from ASUS. So, the choices are all others until such time as it gets documented which if any of the others take a similar attitude to ASUS. http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html My most recent success with motherboard tech support was with Biostar. I purchased a several years old M7NCD http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=m7ncd new in box from an online vendor last fall. 7 months later it died as a consequence of a power supply failure. I emailed tech support. They emailed me an RMA authorization back. No stupid questions about what OS was installed. Board was replaced with new in box complete with manual and accessories M7NCD Ultra http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=M7NCD%20ULTRA . This system using this board has about 8 operating systems installed, including 10.2 and 10.3Beta2. ASUS' stupid web site is reason enough to avoid ASUS. I just tried to get a BIOS update there yesterday. Finding the P5A-B BIOS was easy, but finding on site the required update tool to install it was impossible. I was lucky enough to guess one I already downloaded for a P5S-B many years ago would be compatible. -- "It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape." Chief Justice Joseph Story Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 08:54 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2007/09/02 07:51 (GMT-0400) Eberhard Roloff apparently typed:
BandiPat wrote:
You take your chances with anything ASUS teaming it up with Linux. There are better choices.
if you don not mind, could you kindly name them?
The real point is that ASUS support staff is openly hostile to Linux users who require and attempt to get support (e.g., RMA for defective product) from ASUS. So, the choices are all others until such time as it gets documented which if any of the others take a similar attitude to ASUS. http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html
My most recent success with motherboard tech support was with Biostar. I purchased a several years old M7NCD http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=m7ncd new in box from an online vendor last fall. 7 months later it died as a consequence of a power supply failure. I emailed tech support. They emailed me an RMA authorization back. No stupid questions about what OS was installed. Board was replaced with new in box complete with manual and accessories M7NCD Ultra http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=M7NCD%20ULTRA . This system using this board has about 8 operating systems installed, including 10.2 and 10.3Beta2.
I've never heard of someone being asked what OS/Software they were running when returning faulty hardware, if I had a faulty mobo I'd return it to the vendor not the manufacturer so can't see ever having to speak to Asus or anyone else. A fault would cause problems regardless of OS. The Biostar board you link to is about a million miles away from the Asus one I was enquiring about (Biostar only make budget boards anyway), the only alternative I've found offering a simler specification is Abit's IP35 Pro board. But in my experience Abit boards are prone to dying. Quite like SuperMicro but they don't offer a similar product. Agreed that BIOS updating under Linux is still a complete PITA as there's too much reliance on Windows, MSDOS or floppy disks! Matthew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 02 September 2007 13:41, Matthew Stringer wrote:
http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html
I got a not found with that link. When did Asus start dealing direct with end users? I've always understood if you have a bad board you deal with your dealer. Who deals with their distributor. I know Asus provides bios updates for boards older then dirt. Nick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007/09/02 14:03 (GMT-0400) Nick Zentena apparently typed:
On Sunday 02 September 2007 13:41, Matthew Stringer wrote:
http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html
I got a not found with that link.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_... -- "It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape." Chief Justice Joseph Story Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2007/09/02 18:41 (GMT+0100) Matthew Stringer apparently typed:
I've never heard of someone being asked what OS/Software they were running when returning faulty hardware, if I had a faulty mobo I'd return it to the vendor not the manufacturer so can't see ever having to speak to Asus or anyone else. A fault would cause problems regardless of OS.
No question if you're obviously dealing with a DOA. But, after the vendor's no questions asked period of usually 30 days or less, isolation of the fault of a previously working product to a particular software or hardware component is a commonly involved prerequisite to proceeding with an RMA return or replacement. At such point, few vendors will offer anything more than contact information for its manufacturer's support. This is when such questions get asked. Typically, they need to be answered in order to get useful results. Good support asks questions that don't require doz in order to obtain required answers. -- "It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape." Chief Justice Joseph Story Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 14:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2007/09/02 18:41 (GMT+0100) Matthew Stringer apparently typed:
I've never heard of someone being asked what OS/Software they were running when returning faulty hardware, if I had a faulty mobo I'd return it to the vendor not the manufacturer so can't see ever having to speak to Asus or anyone else. A fault would cause problems regardless of OS.
No question if you're obviously dealing with a DOA.
But, after the vendor's no questions asked period of usually 30 days or less, isolation of the fault of a previously working product to a particular software or hardware component is a commonly involved prerequisite to proceeding with an RMA return or replacement. At such point, few vendors will offer anything more than contact information for its manufacturer's support. This is when such questions get asked. Typically, they need to be answered in order to get useful results. Good support asks questions that don't require doz in order to obtain required answers.
But if I knew it wasn't faulty, I just couldn't get it working and had gotten to the point of giving up and wanting my money back then a slight over voltage is usually enough to ensure a premature death! Still the vendor usually supplies 12 months waranty on hardware if I had a component fail after that I'd probably just buy a new one given how cheap they are these days. Saying that after owing PC's since the days of 386's I don't think I've ever had one die on me. I'm still favouring the Asus as the Gigabyte website is horrible to navigate and I can't think of any other manufacturers (given how almost identical all these boards are I wonder who actually makes them before they get branded?). M. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2007/09/02 07:51 (GMT-0400) Eberhard Roloff apparently typed:
BandiPat wrote:
You take your chances with anything ASUS teaming it up with Linux. There are better choices.
if you don not mind, could you kindly name them?
The real point is that ASUS support staff is openly hostile to Linux users who require and attempt to get support (e.g., RMA for defective product) from ASUS. So, the choices are all others until such time as it gets documented which if any of the others take a similar attitude to ASUS. http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html
My most recent success with motherboard tech support was with Biostar. I purchased a several years old M7NCD http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=m7ncd new in box from an online vendor last fall. 7 months later it died as a consequence of a power supply failure. I emailed tech support. They emailed me an RMA authorization back. No stupid questions about what OS was installed. Board was replaced with new in box complete with manual and accessories M7NCD Ultra http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=M7NCD%20ULTRA . This system using this board has about 8 operating systems installed, including 10.2 and 10.3Beta2.
ASUS' stupid web site is reason enough to avoid ASUS. I just tried to get a BIOS update there yesterday. Finding the P5A-B BIOS was easy, but finding on site the required update tool to install it was impossible. I was lucky enough to guess one I already downloaded for a P5S-B many years ago would be compatible.
Well I feel unable to comment on that, since I always refer to my vendor, when my hardware fails, which I never experienced with Asus. ;-(. However I must say, that for years now, I am used to choose either Asus (NEVER Laptops, just MoBos!) or Gigabyte as default brands, because I never had trouble with these (under DOS/Win/OS2/Linux...) in regard to Bios update availability, support (via vendor), performance and anything else I can think of. Maybe I just stick with them for reasons of traditition, but I will happily do so until I will have reason to act differently. regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 02 September 2007 1:02:17 pm Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Well I feel unable to comment on that, since I always refer to my vendor, when my hardware fails, which I never experienced with Asus. ;-(. However I must say, that for years now, I am used to choose either Asus (NEVER Laptops, just MoBos!) or Gigabyte as default brands, because I never had trouble with these (under DOS/Win/OS2/Linux...) in regard to Bios update availability, support (via vendor), performance and anything else I can think of.
Maybe I just stick with them for reasons of traditition, but I will happily do so until I will have reason to act differently.
Some time ago, my brother bought a new ASUS mobo. He booted it with a floppy drive attached and it worked fine til he removed the floppy drive,, then it went tits up. Got an RMA from ASUS and got a new one, worked ok with a floppy but failed when the drive was disconected. Once failed it remained failed. So he called ASUS, they acknowledged a problem with that board but refused to do anything but send him another identical board with the identical problem. When asked about getting a non defective board they told him to take it or leave it or he could purchase another board. He did, and gave the ASUS to someother poor fool. No ASUS boards in either of our computer rooms again. One solution to the "what kind of os are you using" is to always tell them XP or the latest windows. I've never had anyone on the phone that could tell the difference. Besides, most of the folks you talk to are simply reading a script anyway. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Richard Atcheson wrote:
When asked about getting a non defective board they told him to take it or leave it or he could purchase another board.
He did, and gave the ASUS to someother poor fool. No ASUS boards in either of our computer rooms again.
I fully agree that ASUS and xxxx (feel free to insert any other brad name here) in fact do supply faulty hardware and underdone Firmware and BIOS editions. I should have mentioned that I also buy ultraconservatively. I.E. I never buy the newest, latest and greatest motherboard, no matter how funky it looks. Instead I wait for at least six months or even longer until you can tell about potential hardware problems via internet and computer mag reviews) and you usually get a decent firmware revision. In short: After a while, you feel more like a customer rather than like an unpaid Beta-Tester. Imho this is much better than living on the fast lane and: Prizes tend to be lower, as well.
One solution to the "what kind of os are you using" is to always tell them XP or the latest windows. I've never had anyone on the phone that could tell the difference.
This is a good one and works out greatly for me, as well. I do not like this approach since doing so, people will never know about that other OS, but at least it is quick and it works everytime! regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Richard Atcheson wrote:
When asked about getting a non defective board they told him to take it or leave it or he could purchase another board.
He did, and gave the ASUS to someother poor fool. No ASUS boards in either of our computer rooms again.
I fully agree that ASUS and xxxx (feel free to insert any other brad name here) in fact do supply faulty hardware and underdone Firmware and BIOS editions.
I should have mentioned that I also buy ultraconservatively. I.E. I never buy the newest, latest and greatest motherboard, no matter how funky it looks. Instead I wait for at least six months or even longer until you can tell about potential hardware problems via internet and computer mag reviews) and you usually get a decent firmware revision.
In short: After a while, you feel more like a customer rather than like an unpaid Beta-Tester.
I bet you're already running 10.3 ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Matthew Stringer wrote:
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
I fully agree that ASUS and xxxx (feel free to insert any other brand name here) in fact do supply faulty hardware and underdone Firmware and BIOS editions.
I should have mentioned that I also buy ultraconservatively. I.E. I never buy the newest, latest and greatest motherboard, no matter how funky it looks. Instead I wait for at least six months or even longer until you can tell about potential hardware problems (via internet and computer mag reviews) and you usually get a decent firmware revision.
In short: After a while, you feel more like a customer rather than like an unpaid Beta-Tester.
I bet you're already running 10.3 ;)
How did you find out? I did not tell anyone about it! :-)) Seriously, with Software, I do it just like this. It's a bit like good wine. It's most often gets better with age. Kind regards Eberhard
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