Re: [SLE] Smart Update problem
I tried to update suse 10.1 with yast and failed miserably. I Installed smart, and gave a system update. Patches were downloaded for about 4 hours and in the end it popped a message saying some packages couldn't be retrieved(lots of packages were downloaded). Nothing happened after that, how do I make sure all the patches were installed properly? No messages or logs were given. What happened to the downloaded patches? Is there any proper documentation for Smart? http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/ This link has a section called "How to install and use smart on SUSE Linux 10.1" and there are several other notes on using Smart. The Smart website is at http://labix.org/smart The important thing to remember when updating using Smart is to first do a "smart update" followed by a "smart ugrade". If you don't do the "smart update" first, you will not get the current updates and then "smart upgrade" does the actual "update" Now the your mileage may vary. Smart is beta, not final product and there are some chinks in the armour already showing. First off, while Smart is like YOU on steroids (or YUM on Fedora), it is realatively fast but here is its downside. In order to decide which package update in which repo is best, it downloads tons of package updates which it "sorts" through and then installs the best "fit" of packages for your system; this extra downloading comes at a price of time. Second, Smart has not been consistent in updating when compared with YOU. Tonight, as an example, YOU had 5 packages for updating where Smart only knew about 3 of the updates. I used YOU to update my system. Third, I also have a Fedora Core 5 system which I tested Smart on; it did not pickup my Livna repo which YUM does so I am sticking with YUM there. Smart is definitely work in progress as Beta but you'll want to check it against YOU or YUM before taking anything to the bank. YOU is working pretty well for me. Clint
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 22:05, Clint Tinsley wrote: [...]
Now the your mileage may vary. Smart is beta, not final product and there are some chinks in the armour already showing. First off, while Smart is like YOU on steroids (or YUM on Fedora), it is realatively fast but here is its downside. In order to decide which package update in which repo is best, it downloads tons of package updates which it "sorts" through and then installs the best "fit" of packages for your system; this extra downloading comes at a price of time. Second, Smart has not been consistent in updating when compared with YOU. Tonight, as an example, YOU had 5 packages for updating where Smart only knew about 3 of the updates. I used YOU to update my system. Third, I also have a Fedora Core 5 system which I tested Smart on; it did not pickup my Livna repo which YUM does so I am sticking with YUM there. Smart is definitely work in progress as Beta but you'll want to check it against YOU or YUM before taking anything to the bank. YOU is working pretty well for me.
Clint ========
Clint, If you are comfortable with YUM in Fedora, you might also want to stick with that in SuSE. I have been using KYum recently with the added advantage of YUM from the command line and find it to be quite efficient! I've looked a Smart, but wanted a KDE interface where KYum fits that requirement nicely. I also felt the need to get away from a mono programmed YOU. YUM seems to be quite a good program for updating. The only thing I wasn't prepared for was that it downloads all the update files first before installing, where YOU does them individually. Otherwise, I'm becoming a YUM convert! :-) regards, Lee -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
BandiPat wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 22:05, Clint Tinsley wrote: [...]
Now the your mileage may vary. Smart is beta, not final product and there are some chinks in the armour already showing. First off, while Smart is like YOU on steroids (or YUM on Fedora), it is realatively fast but here is its downside. In order to decide which package update in which repo is best, it downloads tons of package updates which it "sorts" through and then installs the best "fit" of packages for your system; this extra downloading comes at a price of time. Second, Smart has not been consistent in updating when compared with YOU. Tonight, as an example, YOU had 5 packages for updating where Smart only knew about 3 of the updates. I used YOU to update my system. Third, I also have a Fedora Core 5 system which I tested Smart on; it did not pickup my Livna repo which YUM does so I am sticking with YUM there. Smart is definitely work in progress as Beta but you'll want to check it against YOU or YUM before taking anything to the bank. YOU is working pretty well for me.
Clint ========
Clint, If you are comfortable with YUM in Fedora, you might also want to stick with that in SuSE. I have been using KYum recently with the added advantage of YUM from the command line and find it to be quite efficient! I've looked a Smart, but wanted a KDE interface where KYum fits that requirement nicely. I also felt the need to get away from a mono programmed YOU.
YUM seems to be quite a good program for updating. The only thing I wasn't prepared for was that it downloads all the update files first before installing, where YOU does them individually. Otherwise, I'm becoming a YUM convert! :-)
Sorry, I am jumping in in the middle of a thread and haven't read previous postings but happened to read what you said about YOU in this last paragraph. "Where YOU does them individually." This is something which I find totally mindboggling but then I may not know the full story behind how YOU actually works. In SuSE prior to 10.1 YOU would download ALL the update packages before applying them to the system. In 10.1 this suddenly changed and the updates are applied as they are received. This assumes that there will not be an interruption to the transfer process of all the remaining packages. But what would happen if the connection to the internet is terminated? Packages have dependencies and what happens if a package is downloaded and installed but another one on which it depends is not downloaded because the connection was lost and you have to reboot in the interim because this is the only way to get your connection back? If YUM, and smart does it too, downloads ALL the packages first before applying them then it is doing the intelligent thing. Cheers. -- "It is well known that among the blind, the one-eyed man is king". Desiderius Erasmus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 21:45, Basil Chupin wrote:
BandiPat wrote: [...]
Clint, If you are comfortable with YUM in Fedora, you might also want to stick with that in SuSE. I have been using KYum recently with the added advantage of YUM from the command line and find it to be quite efficient! I've looked a Smart, but wanted a KDE interface where KYum fits that requirement nicely. I also felt the need to get away from a mono programmed YOU.
YUM seems to be quite a good program for updating. The only thing I wasn't prepared for was that it downloads all the update files first before installing, where YOU does them individually. Otherwise, I'm becoming a YUM convert! :-)
Sorry, I am jumping in in the middle of a thread and haven't read previous postings but happened to read what you said about YOU in this last paragraph.
"Where YOU does them individually." This is something which I find totally mindboggling but then I may not know the full story behind how YOU actually works.
In SuSE prior to 10.1 YOU would download ALL the update packages before applying them to the system. In 10.1 this suddenly changed and the updates are applied as they are received.
Basil, got my updaters mixed up. YOU, the security updater, still performs as it did before, but Yast2 updater, zmd, rug or whatever it is now, downloads, then updates/installs each file as it gets them. Smart and YUM both download all files then installs. Sorry about the confusion. regards, Lee -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
BandiPat wrote:
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 21:45, Basil Chupin wrote:
Clint, If you are comfortable with YUM in Fedora, you might also want to stick with that in SuSE. I have been using KYum recently with the added advantage of YUM from the command line and find it to be quite efficient! I've looked a Smart, but wanted a KDE interface where KYum fits that requirement nicely. I also felt the need to get away from a mono programmed YOU.
YUM seems to be quite a good program for updating. The only thing I wasn't prepared for was that it downloads all the update files first before installing, where YOU does them individually. Otherwise, I'm becoming a YUM convert! :-) Sorry, I am jumping in in the middle of a thread and haven't read
BandiPat wrote: [...] previous postings but happened to read what you said about YOU in this last paragraph.
"Where YOU does them individually." This is something which I find totally mindboggling but then I may not know the full story behind how YOU actually works.
In SuSE prior to 10.1 YOU would download ALL the update packages before applying them to the system. In 10.1 this suddenly changed and the updates are applied as they are received.
Basil, got my updaters mixed up. YOU, the security updater, still performs as it did before, but Yast2 updater, zmd, rug or whatever it is now, downloads, then updates/installs each file as it gets them. Smart and YUM both download all files then installs.
Sorry about the confusion.
Ah, OK, so YOU is still working the intelligent way :-) . Cheers. -- "It is well known that among the blind, the one-eyed man is king". Desiderius Erasmus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Wednesday, July 19, 2006 @ 10:25 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 21:45, Basil Chupin wrote:
Clint, If you are comfortable with YUM in Fedora, you might also want to stick with that in SuSE. I have been using KYum recently with the added advantage of YUM from the command line and find it to be quite efficient! I've looked a Smart, but wanted a KDE interface where KYum fits that requirement nicely. I also felt the need to get away from a mono programmed YOU.
YUM seems to be quite a good program for updating. The only thing I wasn't prepared for was that it downloads all the update files first before installing, where YOU does them individually. Otherwise, I'm becoming a YUM convert! :-) Sorry, I am jumping in in the middle of a thread and haven't read
BandiPat wrote: [...] previous postings but happened to read what you said about YOU in this last paragraph.
"Where YOU does them individually." This is something which I find totally mindboggling but then I may not know the full story behind how YOU actually works.
In SuSE prior to 10.1 YOU would download ALL the update packages before applying them to the system. In 10.1 this suddenly changed and the updates are applied as they are received.
Basil, got my updaters mixed up. YOU, the security updater, still performs as it did before, but Yast2 updater, zmd, rug or whatever it is now, downloads, then updates/installs each file as it gets them. Smart and YUM both download all files then installs.
Sorry about the confusion.
Ah, OK, so YOU is still working the intelligent way :-) .
Cheers.
Well, I don't think it is. I've been launching "Online Update" (i. e. YOU) to do my updates because the new "Software Updater" has not been working for me for some time (they're supposed to have it fixed with a patch pretty soon). Unless my short term memory is really bad (possible), then it looked like "Online Update" downloaded and installed each update one at a time each time I ran it. I'll pay closer attention next time, but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering this correctly. Greg Wallace -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Greg Wallace wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2006 @ 10:25 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
BandiPat wrote:
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 21:45, Basil Chupin wrote:
Clint, If you are comfortable with YUM in Fedora, you might also want to stick with that in SuSE. I have been using KYum recently with the added advantage of YUM from the command line and find it to be quite efficient! I've looked a Smart, but wanted a KDE interface where KYum fits that requirement nicely. I also felt the need to get away from a mono programmed YOU.
YUM seems to be quite a good program for updating. The only thing I wasn't prepared for was that it downloads all the update files first before installing, where YOU does them individually. Otherwise, I'm becoming a YUM convert! :-) Sorry, I am jumping in in the middle of a thread and haven't read
BandiPat wrote: [...] previous postings but happened to read what you said about YOU in this last paragraph.
"Where YOU does them individually." This is something which I find totally mindboggling but then I may not know the full story behind how YOU actually works.
In SuSE prior to 10.1 YOU would download ALL the update packages before applying them to the system. In 10.1 this suddenly changed and the updates are applied as they are received.
Basil, got my updaters mixed up. YOU, the security updater, still performs as it did before, but Yast2 updater, zmd, rug or whatever it is now, downloads, then updates/installs each file as it gets them. Smart and YUM both download all files then installs.
Sorry about the confusion.
Ah, OK, so YOU is still working the intelligent way :-) .
Cheers.
Well, I don't think it is. I've been launching "Online Update" (i. e. YOU) to do my updates because the new "Software Updater" has not been working for me for some time (they're supposed to have it fixed with a patch pretty soon). Unless my short term memory is really bad (possible), then it looked like "Online Update" downloaded and installed each update one at a time each time I ran it. I'll pay closer attention next time, but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering this correctly.
So, YOU *has* gone the stupid way, eh? :-( . That figures. The mental giants behind the flippant move to zmd also deaded YOU to complete the picture :-( . Switch over to smart. Even though it's in beta stage, it works a treat. At the moment it is sitting here waiting for me to finish this message so that it can upgrade a number of files including a new kernel. Cheers. -- "It is well known that among the blind, the one-eyed man is king". Desiderius Erasmus -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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