I would wait an extra two or three months to get the bugs out, rather than have zillions of replacement files for months. Windows is not Wonderful, but W98SE did a pretty good job. Could we maybe try for something like that? I know that is not in the Linux tradition, but I'd really like to switch to the OS and not have to keep fooling around all the time. I also need a WINE that works, guys, come on! (All right, I haven't tried it lately.) --doug, wa2say At 09:03 01/29/2002 -0500, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
** On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:09:30 +0000 Gideon Hallett <diogenes@freeuk.com>dashed off this message:
**However, given the options of shoving in late-beta KDE 3, X 4.2.0, **gcc 3 and so forth, I wouldn't be surprised if SuSE went from 7.3 **to 8.0.
That would match up w/ last years releases where, IIRC, the 7.0 version was released sometime in Feb. However, also relying on my not 100% cafinated brain, there were notices in January to pre - order , or in Germany that the new (7.0) was about to be released.. or something like that. OTH , generally no news at all means everyone is beavering away to get all teh kinks out , and a release will come sooner than most expect ... <g> /snip/
* Doug McGarrett (dougmack@i-2000.com) [020129 16:46]: ->I would wait an extra two or three months to get the bugs out, ->rather than have zillions of replacement files for months. ->Windows is not Wonderful, but W98SE did a pretty good job. Could ->we maybe try for something like that? I know that is not in the ->Linux tradition, but I'd really like to switch to the OS and ->not have to keep fooling around all the time. I also need a ->WINE that works, guys, come on! (All right, I haven't tried it lately.) of course Win98 was better. It was 95 w/ the fixes ;) -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...
On Wednesday 30 January 2002 01.53, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
of course Win98 was better. It was 95 w/ the fixes ;)
It was a long time since I had a copy, but wasn't win95 really 4.00.1995, and win98 4.00.1998, so the difference was 0.00.0003 Or did I dream it //Anders
On 30 Jan 2002, at 7:32, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 30 January 2002 01.53, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
of course Win98 was better. It was 95 w/ the fixes ;)
It was a long time since I had a copy, but wasn't win95 really 4.00.1995, and win98 4.00.1998, so the difference was 0.00.0003
FWIW, Windows 98 Second Edition OEM ===== Win98SE Dos Box Microsoft(R) Windows 98 (C)Copyright Microsoft Corp 1981-1999. C:\WINDOWS>ver Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222] C:\WINDOWS> =====End Dos Box (Wish I could *END* it forever, but sadly :'( )
Or did I dream it
//Anders
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It was a long time since I had a copy, but wasn't win95 really 4.00.1995, and win98 4.00.1998, so the difference was 0.00.0003
FWIW, Windows 98 Second Edition OEM ===== Win98SE Dos Box Microsoft(R) Windows 98 (C)Copyright Microsoft Corp 1981-1999. C:\WINDOWS>ver
Windows 98 [Version 4.10.2222]
Isn't 4.10.2222 what you get with Win98 second edition, not the original Win98? T.J.
** On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:44:43 -0500 Doug McGarrett <dougmack@i-2000.com>dashed off this message: **I also need a **WINE that works, guys, come on! That isn't a suse specific project , is it? I'd be able to get rid of all Windows partitions left ( both of them <g>) if I could show the user that he can run PowerPoint and ( worse) create powerpoint presentations w/ wine .. tho , in that users case, it really needs to be one click and Powerpoint whatever version opens up looking as He expects it will.. I have managed to get him to at least start his projects in Linux (well, Star Office ) But there are apparently two good reasons to check or create the things in Win32 PowerPoint . Mainly having to do w/ "everybody" has Powerpoint on the laptops at Meetings and conventions ( He does a lot of lectures and speaking engagements as well as needs to be able to do custom presentations for various clients ) THis may be more important even than getting the whole world to stop using w32 stuff.. We need to find ways to make linux technology something that could be put onto a Palm/handpring visor or any other non Windows hand held. That any user could easily carry to conferences and plug right into the power supply in the Conference room, and proced to do presentations at least as good looking as the average PowerPoint Presentation. That very last bit shouldn't be too difficult, the average PP Presentation puts me to sleep in under a minute <G> but anyone who knows of suchlike tecnology out there now, or soon to be , please let me know. Off list if necessery. < nods to the "List Gods"> <smiles> -- j afterthought : And the only thing the Borg left was this Macintosh.
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 20:42, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
** On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:44:43 -0500 Doug McGarrett <dougmack@i-2000.com>dashed off this message:
**I also need a **WINE that works, guys, come on!
That isn't a suse specific project , is it? I'd be able to get rid of all Windows partitions left ( both of them <g>) if I could show the user that he can run PowerPoint and ( worse) create powerpoint presentations w/ wine .. tho , in that users case, it really needs to be one click and Powerpoint whatever version opens up looking as He expects it will.. I have managed to get him to at least start his projects in Linux (well, Star Office ) But there are apparently two good reasons to check or create the things in Win32 PowerPoint . Mainly having to do w/ "everybody" has Powerpoint on the laptops at Meetings and conventions ( He does a lot of lectures and speaking engagements as well as needs to be able to do custom presentations for various clients ) THis may be more important even than getting the whole world to stop using w32 stuff.. We need to find ways to make linux technology something that could be put onto a Palm/handpring visor or any other non Windows hand held. That any user could easily carry to conferences and plug right into the power supply in the Conference room, and proced to do presentations at least as good looking as the average PowerPoint Presentation. That very last bit shouldn't be too difficult, the average PP Presentation puts me to sleep in under a minute <G> but anyone who knows of suchlike tecnology out there now, or soon to be , please let me know. Off list if necessery. < nods to the "List Gods"> <smiles>
-- j
afterthought : And the only thing the Borg left was this Macintosh.
Have you looked at Staroffice6 beta or OpenOffice build 638 or 641? The staroffice6 beta is now closed, so you would have had to already downloaded it. The OpenOffice builds are available at www.openoffice.org. I have two computers using the Staroffice6 beta under SuSE 7.3 and have dramatically reduced the problems related to the import and export of msoffice files, especially powerpoint. Previously my experience with SO 5.2 was the file conversion between SO 5.2 and msoffice was about 80 percent for text and spreadsheet and around 60 percent for presentations. Using Staroffice6 beta I would estimate the import and conversions to be around 95 percent. BTW, the powerpoint files range from 1.5 MB to 11 MB. I have been using Staroffice6 beta for about 2 months now and have had very few problems corresponding with others using exclusively msoffice. Even text documents that are heavily formatted (multiple fonts, styles, tagged table of contents, embedded pictures, background colouring behind headings, multiple headers and footers) have been transferred between Staroffice6 and msoffice with very minimal problems. The minor problems with moving between Staroffice and ms office were no greater than the problems the other users had when transferring from one version of msoffice on one ms OS to another version of msoffice on a different ms OS. As you say you are doing this for a client, then you should look at OpenOffice as the staroffice beta will expire at the end of March. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01
Hi: I walked away from Windows, once I installed OpenOffice641, and haven't looked back. PPT, transparencies, life is good. Now, if I could just figure out how to separate Adobe crap for pdf before I download, then life will be really good. My pdf viewer works for "real" pdf, but not the bastardized Adobe crap. Thanks, Tom On Tuesday 29 January 2002 20:22, Ralph Sanford wrote:
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 20:42, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
** On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:44:43 -0500 Doug McGarrett <dougmack@i-2000.com>dashed off this message:
**I also need a **WINE that works, guys, come on!
That isn't a suse specific project , is it? I'd be able to get rid of all Windows partitions left ( both of them <g>) if I could show the user that he can run PowerPoint and ( worse) create powerpoint presentations w/ wine .. tho , in that users case, it really needs to be one click and Powerpoint whatever version opens up looking as He expects it will.. I have managed to get him to at least start his projects in Linux (well, Star Office ) But there are apparently two good reasons to check or create the things in Win32 PowerPoint . Mainly having to do w/ "everybody" has Powerpoint on the laptops at Meetings and conventions ( He does a lot of lectures and speaking engagements as well as needs to be able to do custom presentations for various clients ) THis may be more important even than getting the whole world to stop using w32 stuff.. We need to find ways to make linux technology something that could be put onto a Palm/handpring visor or any other non Windows hand held. That any user could easily carry to conferences and plug right into the power supply in the Conference room, and proced to do presentations at least as good looking as the average PowerPoint Presentation. That very last bit shouldn't be too difficult, the average PP Presentation puts me to sleep in under a minute <G> but anyone who knows of suchlike tecnology out there now, or soon to be , please let me know. Off list if necessery. < nods to the "List Gods"> <smiles>
-- j
afterthought : And the only thing the Borg left was this Macintosh.
Have you looked at Staroffice6 beta or OpenOffice build 638 or 641? The staroffice6 beta is now closed, so you would have had to already downloaded it. The OpenOffice builds are available at www.openoffice.org. I have two computers using the Staroffice6 beta under SuSE 7.3 and have dramatically reduced the problems related to the import and export of msoffice files, especially powerpoint.
Previously my experience with SO 5.2 was the file conversion between SO 5.2 and msoffice was about 80 percent for text and spreadsheet and around 60 percent for presentations. Using Staroffice6 beta I would estimate the import and conversions to be around 95 percent. BTW, the powerpoint files range from 1.5 MB to 11 MB.
I have been using Staroffice6 beta for about 2 months now and have had very few problems corresponding with others using exclusively msoffice. Even text documents that are heavily formatted (multiple fonts, styles, tagged table of contents, embedded pictures, background colouring behind headings, multiple headers and footers) have been transferred between Staroffice6 and msoffice with very minimal problems. The minor problems with moving between Staroffice and ms office were no greater than the problems the other users had when transferring from one version of msoffice on one ms OS to another version of msoffice on a different ms OS.
As you say you are doing this for a client, then you should look at OpenOffice as the staroffice beta will expire at the end of March.
Hi: I walked away from Windows, once I installed OpenOffice641, and haven't looked back. PPT, transparencies, life is good. Now, if I could just
Several correspondents have mentioned StarOffice. Will it read MSWord for MacIntosh 2.0? I need that, since I edit copy that comes from this program, via the net. WordPerfect for Windows can do that. I need WINE to do AutoCadLt 95 for Windows, and to run GW BASIC and Borland Pascal programs, which I have had no luck in trying to run natively in Linux. There are also some other Windows programs, like EZNec, that I need to run on occasion. It would be nice to run Eudora, also, which I like better than Kmail, altho Kmail is not bad. I don't understand the reference to "Adobe crap"--below--Adobe created pdf, afaik, so how could it be "crap?" I have never had any trouble with pdf files in Windows, so if someone is having trouble with them in Linux, it is probably a problem with the Linux version of the decoder. Be reasonable: this is mostly a contributor environment, and there may be bugs that have to be worked out. Sooner or later, they will be. I hope and expect. I am not a programmer, so I have to rely on those who are. I am grateful to those who put these bugs to rest. --doug, wa2say At 20:26 01/29/2002 -0800, tom poe wrote: figure
out how to separate Adobe crap for pdf before I download, then life will be really good. My pdf viewer works for "real" pdf, but not the bastardized Adobe crap. Thanks, Tom
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 20:22, Ralph Sanford wrote:
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 20:42, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
** On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:44:43 -0500 Doug McGarrett <dougmack@i-2000.com>dashed off this message:
**I also need a **WINE that works, guys, come on!
That isn't a suse specific project , is it?
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 21:30, Doug McGarrett wrote: Several correspondents have mentioned StarOffice. Will it read MSWord for MacIntosh 2.0? I need that, since I edit copy that comes from this program, via the net. WordPerfect for Windows can do that. Ouch, no idea. I did just check the file filters and there's a ton of them, but cannot tell without really trying. I need WINE to do AutoCadLt 95 for Windows, and to run GW BASIC and Borland Pascal programs, which I have had no luck in trying to run natively in Linux. There are also some other Windows programs, like EZNec, that I need to run on occasion. It would be nice to run Eudora, also, which I like better than Kmail, altho Kmail is not bad. Put that on my Wife's computer so she can stop using that horrid OE. It is nice :). Perhaps they will make a Linux version sometime, but then try and pry mutt from Linux users... I don't understand the reference to "Adobe crap"--below--Adobe created pdf, afaik, so how could it be "crap?" I have never had any trouble with pdf files in Windows, so if someone is having trouble with them in Linux, it is probably a problem with the Linux version of the decoder. Be reasonable: this is mostly a contributor environment, and there may be bugs that have to be worked out. Sooner or later, they will be. I hope and expect. I am not a programmer, so I have to rely on those who are. I am grateful to those who put these bugs to rest. Don't forget you don't have to be a programmer to contribute! In fact by being so open with your issues and what you need you have just contributed. Now if you went and subbed to some relevant lists (cups, samba and wine etc) and posted your thoughts and issues there you may directly influence development. Or indeed submission of bug reports too. Matt --doug, wa2say
** On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:44:43 -0500 Doug McGarrett <dougmack@i-2000.com>dashed off this message: **I would wait an extra two or three months to get the bugs out, **rather than have zillions of replacement files for months. whelp, who , then, would be testing to find your average security or other bugs? If you watch this list right after a new version shows up ;you'll see a flurry of activety as the earlly adopters among us discover on our assortment of variants to a "normal or average" computer , things that often just weren't a problen in house. And there will be the occassional security fixes , sometimes also discovered by a knowledgable SysAdmin , "just testing stuff" before deploying it system wide. I have actually had at least one problem solved I each of the new releases I've tried. AND sometimes one thing is fixed and something else still needs tweaking... And as we always seem to wind up saying during this recycled thread.. if you don't want or need something in the new release, truely you are not obligated to buy it. I know it didn't come up yet, but believe me, like the swallows and Capistrano , it will return about a nanosecond behind the news of a new release . <G> -- j afterthought : From the Department of Redundancy Dept.
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