* Tom Wesley (tawesley@yahoo.com) [011224 12:25]: ->-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ->Hash: SHA1 -> ->> ->> For the wheelmouse check that you have the 'imwheel' package installed. ->> ->> If it's an IMPS/2 type mouse you can run: ->> ->> Sax2 -t imps/2 -n /dev/psaux ->> -> ->Am I wrong in thinking that KDE2 now does the imwheel stuff itself? And ->better I seem to recall. I'm quite unsure though as a wheeled mouse is ->still on my must-buy list... Yes, it does it for most apps. The only app that I run sometimes that requires imwheel is Netscap 4.x which I don't use often enough to bother with imwheel. I have a Logitech Optical mouse with a scroll wheel and it works quite well. I wouldn't give it up for anything now that I am very use to it. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

* Jon Pennington (cowboydren@yahoo.com) [011224 14:12]: ->--- Ben Rosenberg wrote: -> ->> Yes, it does it for most apps. The only app that I run sometimes ->> that requires imwheel is Netscap 4.x which I don't use often enough ->> to bother with imwheel. -> ->MORE FUD! Ben, I expected more from you. ;) There are simpler ways ->to get Nutscrape 4 to use the wheel, but I like the ->overly-complicated example here: -> -> http://artwiz.artramp.org/files/settings/.Xdefaults -> ->Or you could hit this site, and look for other examples that don't ->tweak quite as much stuff: -> -> http://www.dotfiles.com/ -> ->OPEN YOUR EYES! ;) About as wide as you open your mouth eh? ;) As I said .. the only app that appeared to not work with KDE2 handling the scroll wheel was Netscape..and I *hadn't* investigated it because I've used either Mozilla or Konqueror for about the last year.. :P~ Dork :P I'm sure there are better ways then imwheel..I just didn't know of any and didn't care to find out because ALL the apps I use work fine with KDE2.X ;) Cheers! Ya grumpy ole sorehead. *laugh* -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

Just recieved a package from IBM...IBM Deutschland GmbH that is lol. Ots pretty big, full of Linux facts and figures, however one problem. Most of its in German! All I know of German is Hund...Don't even know the word for Penguin. Anyway, though it a little weird that they noticed it was going to the USA, yet didn't have IBM usa send the package. These are good for advodcy. Matt

On Monday 24 December 2001 05:07 pm, you wrote:

--- Tom Wesley wrote:

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Am I wrong in thinking that KDE2 now does the imwheel stuff itself?

No, you're not entirely wrong, everyone else is, though. IMWheel has been mostly useless since XFree86 4.0 was released. IMWheel was a stopgap until X supported the 4th and 5th buttons (and more) natively, which it indeed has supported since XFree86 4.0.

STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO GET IMWHEEL unless they are using some ancient software that absolutely must have it. Some weird console application tweaks are still nice to have IMWheel for, but most people don't need it at all.

John, your yelling upset me, for the fact I was telling him from my own experience, because of all the distro's I have used, currently using the new RH 7.2 and SuSE 7.1 with *KDE-2.2.2* *IMWHEEL* was needed for many apps AND STILL IS second of all, I *DID NOT* tell him to get IMWHEEL, for the fact it is already there, I only told him to run IMWHEEL. David M.

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Jon Pennington wrote:

--- Tom Wesley wrote:

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Am I wrong in thinking that KDE2 now does the imwheel stuff itself?

No, you're not entirely wrong, everyone else is, though. IMWheel has been mostly useless since XFree86 4.0 was released. IMWheel was a stopgap until X supported the 4th and 5th buttons (and more) natively, which it indeed has supported since XFree86 4.0.

STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO GET IMWHEEL unless they are using some ancient software that absolutely must have it. Some weird console application tweaks are still nice to have IMWheel for, but most people don't need it at all.

I suspect there are MANY people still using ACIENT programs that WILL need imwheel. Not only that, but some (me) are using ANCIENT programs with imwheel because imwheel provides a feature that X/KDE DOES NOT. SMOOTH SCROLLING in netscape 4.x for one. Once you've had it you'll not be able to go without it. The mouse wheel CAN scrool exactly like if you grabbed the side bar and moved it up and down. Also the acroread pluggin for netscape will not scroll without it. So there IS a need for imwheel in the world for now. -- Mark Hounschell dmarkh@cfl.rr.com

Jon Pennington wrote:

On Thu, 2001-12-27 at 04:10, Mark Hounschell wrote:

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Not only that, but some (me) are using ANCIENT programs with imwheel because imwheel provides a feature that X/KDE DOES NOT. SMOOTH SCROLLING in netscape 4.x for one.

Not true. I've already disproven that. Adding a few lines to ~/.Xdefaults is just as easy as configuring an entire daemon to do the same job, IMHO.

Be so kind as to prove it to me and provide me with those lines so that I may try it please.

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Once you've had it you'll not be able to go without it. The mouse wheel CAN scrool exactly like if you grabbed the side bar and moved it up and down.

Mine does already, and I have found no need for IMWheel since I converted to the XFree86 4 base over a year and a half ago.

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Also the acroread pluggin for netscape will not scroll without it. So there IS a need for imwheel in the world for now.

I haven't tried acroread recently, since xpdf reads PDF files almost as well, and I prefer to read PDF files outside of my main browser window anyway. It may be noted that xpdf can run like acroread through the use of plugger, as well. The fact that I use xpdf instead of acroread is personal preference though,, and I'll not argue the superiority of one to the other. I will say that the wheel works perfectly with the native ZAxisMapping provided by X, however.

I still find xpdf buggy on some files. Regards -- Mark Hounschell dmarkh@cfl.rr.com

Jon Pennington wrote:

On Thu, 2001-12-27 at 04:25, Jon Pennington wrote:

Tucked-tail addendums inline...

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Mine does already, and I have found no need for IMWheel since I converted to the XFree86 4 base over a year and a half ago.

Though the browser window functions fine, Netscape's dialogs don't.

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I haven't tried acroread recently, since xpdf reads PDF files almost as well, and I prefer to read PDF files outside of my main browser window

Well, I just tried, and I take back my statements about xpdf being just as good. For instance, I have some PDF documents from Allwell concerning their set-top-box products (http://www.allwell.com.tw/). These files extensively use highly-upscaled fonts, and xpdf doesn't anti-alias them much at all, whereas acroread handles the fonts beautifully.

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to the other. I will say that the wheel works perfectly with the native ZAxisMapping provided by X, however.

This appears to not be true anymore as well. I'm not sure what I'm doing differently this time, but xpdf *used* to scroll. At any rate, it's still not enough to convince me to switch back to acroread *or* imwheel. ;)

Have a great day, Mark, Ben, and others. You've proven me wrong! :D

What about those .Xdefaults lines for the smooth scrolling?? If thats possible I'd be very interested. -- Mark Hounschell dmarkh@cfl.rr.com