[opensuse] complete system halt..
Dear List, I have suse 10.3 installed on a hp tx1000 laptop. I am using KDE. Ultimately, the system has become very unstable.. It halts completely very frequently. I have observed this halt while browsing the web (it has happened both with firefox and the konqueror), but I suppose it can happen with any program..(?) By a "halt" I mean a completely blockage. The screen stays still, mouse / keyboard does not respond.. they only way to restart my laptop is to remove the battery (!).. I think I almost broke my laptop an hour ago (afterwards it refused to boot for a while). Does anyone have any similar experiences? How could I start debugging this thing? (I also have problems when trying to automount some CDs and memory sticks (quite randomly). The system complains something about "hal".. but this is not urgent). Please help! Sampsa Riikonen P.S. The laptop has nvidia graphics and broadcomm wireless chips P.S.S. Could the crash be related to a crappy internet connection that disconnects suddenly? (we have one) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Dear List,
I have suse 10.3 installed on a hp tx1000 laptop. I am using KDE.
Ultimately, the system has become very unstable.. It halts completely very frequently. I have observed this halt while browsing the web (it has happened both with firefox and the konqueror), but I suppose it can happen with any program..(?)
By a "halt" I mean a completely blockage. The screen stays still, mouse / keyboard does not respond.. they only way to restart my laptop is to remove the battery (!)
All you should have to do is hold the power button in till it shuts off. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sampsa Riikonen wrote:
Dear List,
I have suse 10.3 installed on a hp tx1000 laptop. I am using KDE.
Ultimately, the system has become very unstable.. It halts completely very frequently. I have observed this halt while browsing the web (it has happened both with firefox and the konqueror), but I suppose it can happen with any program..(?)
By a "halt" I mean a completely blockage. The screen stays still, mouse / keyboard does not respond.. they only way to restart my laptop is to remove the battery (!).. I think I almost broke my laptop an hour ago (afterwards it refused to boot for a while).
Does anyone have any similar experiences? How could I start debugging this thing?
(I also have problems when trying to automount some CDs and memory sticks (quite randomly). The system complains something about "hal".. but this is not urgent).
Please help!
Sampsa Riikonen
P.S. The laptop has nvidia graphics and broadcomm wireless chips P.S.S. Could the crash be related to a crappy internet connection that disconnects suddenly? (we have one)
Have you tried running your system without the power management support?, turn it off from your grub options and see how it runs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, January 24, 2008 7:31 am, Sampsa Riikonen wrote:
Dear List,
I have suse 10.3 installed on a hp tx1000 laptop. I am using KDE.
Ultimately, the system has become very unstable.. It halts completely very frequently. I have observed this halt while browsing the web (it has happened both with firefox and the konqueror), but I suppose it can happen with any program..(?)
This is the same behavior I was witnessing on my nw9440 (Compaq/HP) laptop prior to downgrading to Vista a few weeks back. I had 10.2 running on it just fine since April and then instaleld (fresh) 10.3. It kept seizing up completely (except for mouse movement) and wouldn't even let me do a ctrl-alt-backspace. Sometimes it would run for a few minutes and other times for an hour or more prior to this issue. I also noticed this when just logging into runlevel 3. I thought it was the fact that I had an encrypted home partition, but maybe not? I'd be curious what the change from 10.2 to 10.3 is. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, PerfectReign wrote:- <snip>
This is the same behavior I was witnessing on my nw9440 (Compaq/HP) laptop prior to downgrading to Vista a few weeks back.
In my case, with an Acer Aspire 3002LMi, using 10.1 I had hard locks if power management was enabled. The only way to recover was to pull the battery and power cords. After I installed 10.3 as well, I don't get the hard locks when using 10.1 unless the it starts using the battery[0], and using 10.3 is fine whether I have mains power or not. [0] I get round this by having a second entry in the grub menu that disables ACPI for when I know I'll be using 10.1 on batteries. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0a0 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC |RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dear Kai, Jose & rest of The List, I was told by Jose (look for the mail archives with this same subject), not to use the powersave daemon. I disabled the powesaver daemon (from yast => runlevel) and kpowersave and my laptop has not halted since.. It is working perfectly (the problem has not occurred since.. few days). Other people have resolved this by removing acpi (?) from the grub. David commented that he had a similar problem with suse 10.2-3, but not with 10.1 So it seems we have a power management problem from version 10.2 ..? Should we make a bug report? To whom? Cheers, Sampsa On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 09:37 -0800, PerfectReign wrote:
On Thu, January 24, 2008 7:31 am, Sampsa Riikonen wrote:
Dear List,
I have suse 10.3 installed on a hp tx1000 laptop. I am using KDE.
Ultimately, the system has become very unstable.. It halts completely very frequently. I have observed this halt while browsing the web (it has happened both with firefox and the konqueror), but I suppose it can happen with any program..(?)
This is the same behavior I was witnessing on my nw9440 (Compaq/HP) laptop prior to downgrading to Vista a few weeks back.
I had 10.2 running on it just fine since April and then instaleld (fresh) 10.3. It kept seizing up completely (except for mouse movement) and wouldn't even let me do a ctrl-alt-backspace. Sometimes it would run for a few minutes and other times for an hour or more prior to this issue.
I also noticed this when just logging into runlevel 3.
I thought it was the fact that I had an encrypted home partition, but maybe not?
I'd be curious what the change from 10.2 to 10.3 is.
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Sampsa Riikonen wrote:-
David commented that he had a similar problem with suse 10.2-3, but not with 10.1
My problem was with 10.1, and not 10.3. I can use 10.3 with ACPI enabled and it has no problems. I can also use 10.1, if I have mains power and have ACPI enabled, but only if I boot from grub installed by 10.3. If I have a power loss and the system switches to battery only while I'm using 10.1 with ACPI, the system hard-locks. With 10.3, this doesn't happen, and I couldn't boot with grub installed by 10.1 with ACPI enabled with or without mains power. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0a0 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC |RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sampsa Riikonen wrote:
Dear List,
I have suse 10.3 installed on a hp tx1000 laptop. I am using KDE.
Ultimately, the system has become very unstable.. It halts completely very frequently. I have observed this halt while browsing the web (it has happened both with firefox and the konqueror), but I suppose it can happen with any program..(?)
That sounds like overheating. Rendering web pages can be very CPU - intensive. My laptop's fan runs at a one of three speeds, depending on CPU temp...and web browsing is the primary cause of almost all occurances of the fan going to its highest speed. The solution involves managing your CPU temp, making sure that your air inlet is kept both clean and away from any obstruction (like resting the intake right on your leg). And get a laptop cooler thing that plugs into a USB port and keeps a good airflow under the whole laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Might be getting hot. I have a laptop that runs hotter under MS than OpenSUSE most of the time, except when compiling or running a lot of stuff. Have you noticed the fan behavior? Does it always run at high speed, never run at high speed? There are a lot of tweaks you can do with regard to power management. I wonder if the cpu is not scaling down when the load is low? On my Thinkpad I used to have a custom speedstep/cpu scaling configuration, the cpu ran at 200MHz most of the time, stayed nice and cool. Linc Lincoln Rutledge Network Engineer OSC Networking 800-627-6420
Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00@hotpop.com> 01/24/08 1:07 PM >>> Sampsa Riikonen wrote: Dear List,
I have suse 10.3 installed on a hp tx1000 laptop. I am using KDE.
Ultimately, the system has become very unstable.. It halts completely very frequently. I have observed this halt while browsing the web (it has happened both with firefox and the konqueror), but I suppose it can happen with any program..(?)
That sounds like overheating. Rendering web pages can be very CPU - intensive. My laptop's fan runs at a one of three speeds, depending on CPU temp...and web browsing is the primary cause of almost all occurances of the fan going to its highest speed. The solution involves managing your CPU temp, making sure that your air inlet is kept both clean and away from any obstruction (like resting the intake right on your leg). And get a laptop cooler thing that plugs into a USB port and keeps a good airflow under the whole laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 1/24/08, Sampsa Riikonen <sampsa.riikonen@iki.fi> wrote:
Dear List,
I have suse 10.3 installed on a hp tx1000 laptop. I am using KDE.
Ultimately, the system has become very unstable.. It halts completely very frequently. I have observed this halt while browsing the web (it has happened both with firefox and the konqueror), but I suppose it can happen with any program..(?)
By a "halt" I mean a completely blockage. The screen stays still, mouse / keyboard does not respond.. they only way to restart my laptop is to remove the battery (!).. I think I almost broke my laptop an hour ago (afterwards it refused to boot for a while).
Does anyone have any similar experiences? How could I start debugging this thing?
(I also have problems when trying to automount some CDs and memory sticks (quite randomly). The system complains something about "hal".. but this is not urgent).
Please help!
Sampsa Riikonen
P.S. The laptop has nvidia graphics and broadcomm wireless chips P.S.S. Could the crash be related to a crappy internet connection that disconnects suddenly? (we have one)
i have the same problem like you yesterday, and then i try to install new NVidia driver, and it's fixed. maybe you shouLd downLoad new NVidia driver in nvidia.com. have fun :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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