Greetings, Seems it is quite a job to get Xen to work, even though Suse provides a Xen kernel... I must ask if it is even worth all the effort to get a new kernel and system to run Xen, because the documentation just goes on about domains and mor domains.. What about just running windows, is Xen capable of doing this ? If so is there anthing I need to know, as when I boot the kernel I get and error 5: file not found, or I get an error 13: invalid file format I have run mkinitrd mkinitrd -k vmlinux-2.6.13-15-xen.gz -i initrd-2.6.13-15-xen -d /dev/hda1 -s 1024x768 Thanks Chadley
On 3/5/06, Chadley Wilson
Greetings,
Seems it is quite a job to get Xen to work, even though Suse provides a Xen kernel...
I must ask if it is even worth all the effort to get a new kernel and system to run Xen, because the documentation just goes on about domains and mor domains..
What about just running windows, is Xen capable of doing this ?
No, not by default. There used to exist a patched Windows XP version specifically to be run by Xen. Due to licensing issues, that version cannot be distributed. To boot Windows from within Xen, you will have to set up bootstrapping the kernel manually (provide a kernel image, path to drivers, etc.). It's not impossible but requires strong knowledge of the Windows architecture and is eventually illegal (not to mention the load of work).
If so is there anthing I need to know, as when I boot the kernel I get and error 5: file not found, or I get an error 13: invalid file format
I have run mkinitrd mkinitrd -k vmlinux-2.6.13-15-xen.gz -i initrd-2.6.13-15-xen -d /dev/hda1 -s 1024x768
I've never been able to successfully build a custom kernel and it's initrd for Xen. It produced lots of different errors, yours among them. I used to stick to the stock kernel versions delivered for use with Xen. \Steve
On Sunday 05 March 2006 11:56, Steve Graegert wrote:
On 3/5/06, Chadley Wilson
wrote: Greetings,
Seems it is quite a job to get Xen to work, even though Suse provides a Xen kernel...
I must ask if it is even worth all the effort to get a new kernel and system to run Xen, because the documentation just goes on about domains and mor domains..
What about just running windows, is Xen capable of doing this ?
No, not by default. There used to exist a patched Windows XP version specifically to be run by Xen. Due to licensing issues, that version cannot be distributed. To boot Windows from within Xen, you will have to set up bootstrapping the kernel manually (provide a kernel image, path to drivers, etc.). It's not impossible but requires strong knowledge of the Windows architecture and is eventually illegal (not to mention the load of work).
If so is there anthing I need to know, as when I boot the kernel I get and error 5: file not found, or I get an error 13: invalid file format
I have run mkinitrd mkinitrd -k vmlinux-2.6.13-15-xen.gz -i initrd-2.6.13-15-xen -d /dev/hda1 -s 1024x768
I've never been able to successfully build a custom kernel and it's initrd for Xen. It produced lots of different errors, yours among them. I used to stick to the stock kernel versions delivered for use with Xen.
\Steve
OK... :(
Then I suppose since I hate VMware, I should setup a separate box with XP, and
then use some remote desktop client.. :)
Is there a way to setup krdc to open a remote session on a different konsole I
wonder.... :) or even on a dedicate desktop ?
likewise preferred would be,
X - kde will run on <ctrl>-<alt>-<F7> ttyS7
and
krdc -Xp will be on <ctrl>-<alt>-
On 05/03/06, Steve Graegert
No, not by default. There used to exist a patched Windows XP version specifically to be run by Xen. Due to licensing issues, that version cannot be distributed. To boot Windows from within Xen, you will have to set up bootstrapping the kernel manually (provide a kernel image, path to drivers, etc.). It's not impossible but requires strong knowledge of the Windows architecture and is eventually illegal I wonder if it would still be illegal even if one had a proper, genuine licensed copy of Win XP?
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On 3/5/06, Kevanf1
On 05/03/06, Steve Graegert
wrote: No, not by default. There used to exist a patched Windows XP version specifically to be run by Xen. Due to licensing issues, that version cannot be distributed. To boot Windows from within Xen, you will have to set up bootstrapping the kernel manually (provide a kernel image, path to drivers, etc.). It's not impossible but requires strong knowledge of the Windows architecture and is eventually illegal I wonder if it would still be illegal even if one had a proper, genuine licensed copy of Win XP?
I really don't know. The "Windows XP in Xen" thing I read about a couple of months ago was an experimental project at a university I don't recall the name of and they asked the same question: Is it possible to run Windows XP in a Xen domain? The answer was: technically yes, practically no. They not only needed to setup the Windows environment manually (which turned out to be extremely awkward), but also needed to patch the kernel, which is illegal, since the EULA prohibits the manipulation of the underlying code. They got it running but due to licensing issues they were not allowed share the results (the binaries and setup instructions) with the community. \Steve
On Sunday 05 March 2006 14:05, Steve Graegert wrote:
On 3/5/06, Kevanf1
wrote: On 05/03/06, Steve Graegert
wrote: No, not by default. There used to exist a patched Windows XP version specifically to be run by Xen. Due to licensing issues, that version cannot be distributed. To boot Windows from within Xen, you will have to set up bootstrapping the kernel manually (provide a kernel image, path to drivers, etc.). It's not impossible but requires strong knowledge of the Windows architecture and is eventually illegal
I wonder if it would still be illegal even if one had a proper, genuine licensed copy of Win XP?
I really don't know. The "Windows XP in Xen" thing I read about a couple of months ago was an experimental project at a university I don't recall the name of and they asked the same question: Is it possible to run Windows XP in a Xen domain? The answer was: technically yes, practically no. They not only needed to setup the Windows environment manually (which turned out to be extremely awkward), but also needed to patch the kernel, which is illegal, since the EULA prohibits the manipulation of the underlying code. They got it running but due to licensing issues they were not allowed share the results (the binaries and setup instructions) with the community.
\Steve
Actually the correct answer to this question is: Eventually... with a hardware upgrade. AMD and Intel are releasing tech in the chips which facilitates the concept of a hypervisor, making it much easier for the virtualisation of an OS without the need to modify the OS. Of course this will require the 3.x release of Xen, and a new CPU (probably entailing a new motherboard). Once you've got that little lot in place, you'll be able to run as many OS's as your system can handle (Win XP, Linux, BSD, Solaris, etc.) As to the legality, provided no large monopoly companies find a way to technically sabotage the ability, then you should have no problem. I believe the EULA mentions running a single instance on a single machine. Nothing is mentioned about virtualisation, though I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyers are trying to come up with some way of making you agree not to run Vista on top of an FLOSS OS... But thats a whole other enchilada. -- Steve Boddy
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:37:06 +0200, you wrote:
Greetings,
Seems it is quite a job to get Xen to work, even though Suse provides a Xen kernel...
I must ask if it is even worth all the effort to get a new kernel and system to run Xen, because the documentation just goes on about domains and mor domains..
What about just running windows, is Xen capable of doing this ?
According to the Xen web site, no - not at this time. VMware workstation is reasonable priced and works fine. Mike- -- If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments,
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