On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:11:57 -0500 "Steven T. Hatton" wrote:

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dunno if they are good, bad, or indiferent, but there is always the "man" pages -- they cover pretty much all of the library and many API's for X and other programs

For example, the command

man 3 printf

You could have a look at http://www.rocketaware.com -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation

On Monday 24 March 2003 19:41, Tom Emerson wrote:

On Monday 24 March 2003 4:32 pm, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

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I'm looking for a good online reference for C/C++. ...

Check these: http://www.cpp-home.com/ http://www.cppreference.com/ http://www.codeguru.com/ http://www.cplusplus.org/ http://www.experts-exchange.com/ Google is YOUR friend, too! ;-) L8r HG

On Tuesday 25 March 2003 12:17 pm, Magnus Hagebris wrote:

Don't forget Bruce Eckel C++ guide (and JAVA). Downloadable at http://www.mindview.net/Books (http://www.bruceeckel.com didn't work anymore ...)

Steven T. Hatton wrote:

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I'm not even sure what I have on my hard drive. It seems I've broken the help indexer, so perhaps what I'm seeking is right here, and I just can't get at it. I'm looking for a good online reference for C/C++. I haven't written in these languages for years, and I was never fluent. Does anybody know of a good online reference for these? Are any included with SuSE 8.1?

I can't get the C/C++ documentation working for KDevelop 2.1.5 either, so if your answere is there, then please let me know how to get it set up.

STH Here's the trick. ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde3 make as root make install cd /opt/kde3/share/doc/HTML/en/kdevelop/reference/C/ rm index.html (look at it first, you might have something different than I had)

ln -s master_index.html index.html http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/gentoo/distfiles/c_cpp_reference-2.0.2_fo... As for indexing the files, I haven't got that one going. I have discovered that SuSE used to provide a kdev_htdig.rpm with a htdig.conf. After I get some sleep, I may take a look at that. It's really quite say that a person would give so much of his own time and effor to provide that wonderful documentation, and then have it go unused because the configuration is broken. STH

Dear list, here's another newbie! I was pointed to this list from the OpenOffice.org mailing list, and I hope you'll be able to help me. I'm running SuSE 8.0, and I'm now preparing for a PC upgrade on a variety of components. The problem is that the supplier hasn't tested any of these on Linux. Although I'm pretty sure from my own research on the internet that this configuration should work with SuSE 8.0, I wonder if anyone had any comments or warnings about the following: Soltek SL-KT 400 motherboard AMD Duron 1.2 GHz CPU ATI Radeon 7000 video card Sony CRX220A1 CD-RW These new components are to be combined with the following existing items, which I'm already using and which work fine with SuSE 8.0: ProVideo PV720 sound card (ESS-Solo chipset) Quantum Fireball 40GB (?) HDD Generic FDD HFC PCI modem (with driver) Canon BJC-250 bubble jet printer Proview 17" monitor These last few items are just for information. If anyone knows any Linux compatibility issues regarding the mainboard, CPU, CD-RW or video card, would you please let me know? Thanks, Dennis

Sorry about the mistake. Vitaly's message to the list was the first I received, and I didn't have knowledge of the list address prior to that. And I'm using Windows because I have to, here at work. Thanks for the cordial welcome to the list :-( Dennis On 26 Mar 2003 at 9:49, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Dennis Nigbur [03-26-03 09:18]: [snip]

Why are you responding to the message from Vitaly Shishakov about {Any Good C/C++ online references?] that he posted @ Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:51:04 +0300?

You have changed the subject but destroyed threading.

Oh, oh. I just noticed that you are responding from whinedohs. You, perhaps, know no better.

If you are unable to type in the address or cut and paste, you *must* destroy the References: and In-Reply-To: headers or you mangle threading in compliant mail clients.

Your notice of these items in the future will be appreciated. -- Patrick Shanahan Please avoid TOFU and trim >quotes< http://wahoo.no-ip.org Registered Linux User #207535 icq#173753138 @ http://counter.li.org Linux, a continuous *learning* experience

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On 26 Mar 2003 at 10:07, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

You cannot cut/paste? Do you know what threading is?

I can cut and paste, and I find the tone of this comment and your previous post somewhat insulting. I also know what threading is, but have never used it - therefore, the issue of threading was not as salient in my mind at the time of posting as it should reasonably be. Again, I apologise. Dennis

* Mike [03-26-03 11:11]:

On Wednesday 26 March 2003 16:07, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I speak for myself, not the list, but you are cordially welcome.

Then speak for yourself, and not to the list. Don't you ever give up?

I think that that is what I said. No. Have a good day <smile>. <civilization is an adherence to rules> <apparently anarchy reigns> -- Patrick Shanahan Please avoid TOFU and trim >quotes< http://wahoo.no-ip.org Registered Linux User #207535 icq#173753138 @ http://counter.li.org Linux, a continuous *learning* experience

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [Originally, a new member of our community hijacked a thread to gain initial acccess]

eventually, "list cop" Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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You cannot cut/paste? Do you know what threading is? I speak for myself, not the list, but you are cordially welcome.

which garnered replies like:

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Then speak for yourself, and not to the list. Don't you ever give up? I second that vote, I'm getting tired of seeing his posts on the list playing the cop of the list. This is the type of stuff that you would espect from the redhat list not suse.

and I suppose I need to throw a "me too" posting in on this, and provide some (unasked for) "solutions" to keep the cops and the general populace happy. I'm on the OOo list as well, and in fact I had just read [and replied] to the thread there because it went something like this: Dennis posted an "I know this is OT, but can anyone tell me if this hardware will work w/SuSE?" query The response he got was simply [cut/paste] Please try the SuSE english mailing list. CPH [and I followed up with the signature block that this list adds, since the above doesn't give much of a clue where to start looking to find the list] However I presume that Dennis "went looking" and finding some hint of the list, did indeed "reply" to the first item he came to in order to "capture" the address [I've done that many a time myself] Rather than ignore an initial transgression [hey, the guy SAID he was new to the list] Patrick rolled out the "unwelcome" wagon and proceeded to thrash the positive helpful image this list has for people interested in linux. [you know what they say about "first impression", don't you?] My advice to you (Patrick) would be a modified "count to 10" approach 1) whenever you see someone do this, check to see if this is their absolute initial posting -- yes, go through the ENTIRE archive looking for a past post from this person [this should give you time to "cool off" from your insinct to "flame away"] 2) if you don't find any previous posts, chalk it up to someone using an insanely easy way to "capture" a list address rather than type it in by hand, or fiddle with "cut/paste" [after all, universal as it may seem, there may be some "clients" where cut/paste does NOT work -- if you're interested, I CAN give you an example] 3) if you do find another post, did the poster use the same client [yup, scan the HEADERS now] If they've changed e-mail clients, refer to item 2 :) 4) if you find that they've posted recently (or using the same client), take a look at how many threads they start by "hijacking" vs. manually started threads -- sure, it might be a sign of laziness on the part of the user, but that shouldn't be your concern -- after all, "hijacked" messages tend to be ignored by those that (a) religiously rely on threading, and (b) are quick to mark a thread as "ignored" if they are uninterested in the content [usually due to a flamewar breaking out, but I digress...] so "worst case", the "hijacker" won't get as many replies as they are expecting 5) if it seems like "only a few" threads are hijacked from time to time, it might be worthwhile to post PRIVATELY to that person and point out the facts I mentioned in item 4 (some people will ignore the thread -- you might get better results starting a new one completely) however BE POLITE in this message -- it will most likely be your first direct message to that person, so unless they recognize your name or e-mail from this list, it will makeTHE FIRST IMPRESSION of you on that other user. 6) If the user has constantly "hijacked" threads AND you've sent them a direct message letting them know that this "really isn't a good idea", THEN it is a good time to simply drop it -- after all, this list is unmoderated, which means that you are NOT the moderator and have little business DEMANDING that others post by certain rules [note, I'm making "suggestions" here, not "demanding" that you cease and desist ;) ] [sorry, can't think of any more steps to take to get this to "10" where it would be "alright" to publicly humiliate the transgressor, which generally starts a back-and-forth untrimmed TOFU dialog on the ignorance of the rules of "netiquette", and completely ignores the fact that hardware issues such as "which motherboard works well" with linux is a virtual non-issue nowadays ;)] - -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://osnut.homelinux.net/TomEmerson.asc iD8DBQE+gfXbV/YHUqq2SwsRAiagAKC5wlAbS0TvpZqNhpPMbGAP+t/z9QCgqHJp E+uAMemnB7wMM5CtdNT5+es= =lj87 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Wednesday 26 March 2003 20:34 pm, Derek Fountain wrote:

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Why are you responding to the message from Vitaly Shishakov about {Any Good C/C++ online references?] that he posted @ Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:51:04 +0300? -- Patrick Shanahan Please avoid TOFU and trim

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quotes< http://wahoo.no-ip.org Registered Linux User #207535 icq#173753138 @ http://counter.li.org Linux, a continuous *learning* experience

Oh, charming. The guy's brand new to the list, asks for help, and the first thing he gets in response is a mouthful of abuse from you. I left your sig line in the quote - yeah, it's a learning experience. Perhaps you should try to understand that.

As well as getting a system up and running, Dennis might want to learn about kill files. Rarely needed on this list, but you just made mine.

I too am getting quick sick of this 'policing' whiner..... I would suggest that if Patrick doesn't like the way this list is coming across to him, he start his own list where he can totally mold it to his liking... <PLONK> -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 03/26/03 20:54 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

On Wednesday 26 March 2003 14:57, Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Wednesday 26 March 2003 20:34 pm, Derek Fountain wrote:

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Why are you responding to the message from Vitaly Shishakov about {Any Good C/C++ online references?] that he posted @ Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:51:04 +0300? -- Patrick Shanahan Please avoid TOFU and trim

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quotes< http://wahoo.no-ip.org Registered Linux

User #207535 icq#173753138 http://counter.li.org Linux, a continuous *learning* experience

Oh, charming. The guy's brand new to the list, asks for help, and the first thing he gets in response is a mouthful of abuse from you. I left your sig line in the quote - yeah, it's a learning experience. Perhaps you should try to understand that.

As well as getting a system up and running, Dennis might want to learn about kill files. Rarely needed on this list, but you just made mine.

I too am getting quick sick of this 'policing' whiner..... I would suggest that if Patrick doesn't like the way this list is coming across to him, he start his own list where he can totally mold it to his liking...

<PLONK>

I too was guilty and corrected by PS. Was new to the list , read all these messages and ............ there it was A MESSAGE WITH THE SAME PROBLEM I HAD. I called my wife , the kids and next door's dog , showed them that there were more people with the same problem and HIT the reply button. Before I knew S*** there was an answer. Called the wife and the kids again ( next door's dog came together with the cat) and there it was : YOU hijacked this thread.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can imagine how I felt , can you.? And now I find out , PS is not even the moderator of this list!!!!!!!! Advice to PS, be more tolerant, everybody is not like you and should not be like you. Give friendly advice, that might work better. -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. (where the hell is that?). My holy cow is a penguin.