access windows partition
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
On 2021-08-23 4:35 p.m., Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
I don't recall the details, but by default Windows does not fully shut down the partition. This blocks access to it.
On 2021-08-23 4:42 p.m., James Knott wrote:
On 2021-08-23 4:35 p.m., Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
I don't recall the details, but by default Windows does not fully shut down the partition. This blocks access to it.
I believe the problem is with Fast boot. Here's info on disabling it. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup
On 24/08/2021 02.45, James Knott wrote:
On 2021-08-23 4:42 p.m., James Knott wrote:
On 2021-08-23 4:35 p.m., Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
I don't recall the details, but by default Windows does not fully shut down the partition. This blocks access to it.
I believe the problem is with Fast boot. Here's info on disabling it.
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup
Windows has the habit of activating it again sometimes (updates?), so the only known safeguard is rebooting Windows, not shutting it down. And sometimes there is a choice of fast or full reboot, so it has to be full reboot. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 24/08/2021 02.45, James Knott wrote:
On 2021-08-23 4:42 p.m., James Knott wrote:
On 2021-08-23 4:35 p.m., Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
I don't recall the details, but by default Windows does not fully shut down the partition. This blocks access to it.
I believe the problem is with Fast boot. Here's info on disabling it.
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup
Windows has the habit of activating it again sometimes (updates?), so the only known safeguard is rebooting Windows, not shutting it down.
And sometimes there is a choice of fast or full reboot, so it has to be full reboot. Tried turning off fast boot. It still seems to boot pretty fast. Told Windows to restart, then started OS, but Linux can't see it.
The system has one of those funky new drives--nme***whatever. Is that a possibllity? --doug
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2021-08-23 at 22:25 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Tried turning off fast boot. It still seems to boot pretty fast. Told Windows to restart, then started OS, but Linux can't see it.
The system has one of those funky new drives--nme***whatever. Is that a possibllity?
Nope. Ok run this command and paste here the result: lsblk --output NAME,KNAME,RA,RM,RO,PARTFLAGS,SIZE,TYPE,FSTYPE,LABEL,PARTLABEL,PTTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,UUID,PARTUUID,WWN,MODEL,ALIGNMENT Just paste here the result and _wait_ for our answer. This is for diagnostic, not for solving the issue. Don't do anything else. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCYSTu4xwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVVbYAniqKOiR2xkWSavUphqJN 7nrhp9vmAJ0RJuTTksGNwV25rEKFeESkmPI46g== =Byfo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 8/24/21 9:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2021-08-23 at 22:25 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
Tried turning off fast boot. It still seems to boot pretty fast. Told Windows to restart, then started OS, but Linux can't see it.
The system has one of those funky new drives--nme***whatever. Is that a possibllity?
Nope.
Ok run this command and paste here the result:
lsblk --output NAME,KNAME,RA,RM,RO,PARTFLAGS,SIZE,TYPE,FSTYPE,LABEL,PARTLABEL,PTTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,UUID,PARTUUID,WWN,MODEL,ALIGNMENT
Just paste here the result and _wait_ for our answer. This is for diagnostic, not for solving the issue.
Don't do anything else.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
doug@linux1:~> lsblk --output NAME,KNAME,RA,RM,RO,PARTFLAGS,SIZE,TYPE,FSTYPE,LABEL,PARTLABEL,PTTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,UUID,PARTUUID,WWN,MODEL,ALIGNMENT NAME KNAME RA RM RO PARTFLAGS SIZE TYPE FSTYPE LABEL PARTLABEL PTTYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID PARTUUID WWN MODEL ALIGNMENT sr0 sr0 512 1 0 1024M rom DVDRA 0 nvme0n1 │ nvme0n1 │ 512 0 0 465.8G disk gpt eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc WDC W 0 ├─nvme0n1p1 │ nvme0n1p1 │ 512 0 0 100M part vfat EFI system partition │ gpt /boot/efi 2288-E297 b52232a0-49b0-4641-a843-8501cc410e24 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 ├─nvme0n1p2 │ nvme0n1p2 │ 512 0 0 16M part Microsoft reserved partition │ gpt 80f88fe2-cf9f-4bf2-bc9f-85d0d1f8a26b eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 ├─nvme0n1p3 │ nvme0n1p3 │ 512 0 0 157.2G part ntfs Basic data partition │ gpt A6D08B3AD08B0FAB 73d8a696-816b-4484-be66-75916f31db06 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 ├─nvme0n1p4 │ nvme0n1p4 │ 512 0 0 0x1 513M part ntfs gpt A6208CCC208CA541 640601eb-6da5-4af4-9bba-0599819e5ec4 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 ├─nvme0n1p5 │ nvme0n1p5 │ 512 0 0 294.4G part btrfs gpt /var 2131313e-e1ba-4df7-931f-be0ceb695e4d 50c3129f-2dfb-41b7-9362-2424df21e3c3 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 └─nvme0n1p6 nvme0n1p6 512 0 0 13.5G part swap gpt [SWAP] ae4fb81f-6dcd-40fc-92aa-f2724fd087b8 8aa43f3d-e3d2-4e8d-9f3e-9ab22317e3d2 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 doug@linux1:~>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <de7f558b-5bf6-8211-2181-893ab3293ae5@Telcontar.valinor> On Tuesday, 2021-08-24 at 13:56 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 9:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2021-08-23 at 22:25 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Ok run this command and paste here the result:
lsblk --output NAME,KNAME,RA,RM,RO,PARTFLAGS,SIZE,TYPE,FSTYPE,LABEL,PARTLABEL,PTTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,UUID,PARTUUID,WWN,MODEL,ALIGNMENT
Just paste here the result and _wait_ for our answer. This is for diagnostic, not for solving the issue.
Don't do anything else.
Ok, I have re-aligned your text so that it is easier to read: doug@linux1:~> lsblk --output NAME,KNAME,RA,RM,RO,PARTFLAGS,SIZE,TYPE,FSTYPE,LABEL,PARTLABEL,PTTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,UUID,PARTUUID,WWN,MODEL,ALIGNMENT NAME KNAME RA RM RO PARTFLAGS SIZE TYPE FSTYPE LABEL PARTLABEL PTTYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID PARTUUID WWN MODEL ALIGNMENT sr0 sr0 512 1 0 1024M rom DVDRA 0 nvme0n1 │ nvme0n1 │ 512 0 0 465.8G disk gpt eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc WDC W 0 ├─nvme0n1p1 │ nvme0n1p1 │ 512 0 0 100M part vfat EFI system partition gpt /boot/efi 2288-E297 b52232a0-49b0-4641-a843-8501cc410e24 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 │ ├─nvme0n1p2 │ nvme0n1p2 │ 512 0 0 16M part Microsoft reserved partition gpt 80f88fe2-cf9f-4bf2-bc9f-85d0d1f8a26b eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 │ ├─nvme0n1p3 │ nvme0n1p3 │ 512 0 0 157.2G part ntfs Basic data partition gpt A6D08B3AD08B0FAB 73d8a696-816b-4484-be66-75916f31db06 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 │ ├─nvme0n1p4 │ nvme0n1p4 │ 512 0 0 0x1 513M part ntfs gpt A6208CCC208CA541 640601eb-6da5-4af4-9bba-0599819e5ec4 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 ├─nvme0n1p5 │ nvme0n1p5 │ 512 0 0 294.4G part btrfs gpt /var 2131313e-e1ba-4df7-931f-be0ceb695e4d 50c3129f-2dfb-41b7-9362-2424df21e3c3 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 └─nvme0n1p6 nvme0n1p6 512 0 0 13.5G part swap gpt [SWAP] ae4fb81f-6dcd-40fc-92aa-f2724fd087b8 8aa43f3d-e3d2-4e8d-9f3e-9ab22317e3d2 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 doug@linux1:~> The windows partition is number three. So, the command to mount it would be (as root): # md /mnt # md /mnt/windows # mount -v /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/windows if it prints anything, paste it here. If it prints nothing, it worked. # ls /mnt/windows will list the files and directories. Notice that this method will not allow you to write files, only root can. We can solve that later. If it failed, run: dmesg | tail -n 30 and paste all that text here. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCYSU4tBwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfV8iUAn0GUMz4TkoRwmZDYgt/j nLogaUluAJsF0FK3TZRTyJUCNUNxcrRAZ1Q1Vw== =IV7R -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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On Tuesday, 2021-08-24 at 13:56 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 9:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2021-08-23 at 22:25 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
Ok run this command and paste here the result:
lsblk --output
NAME,KNAME,RA,RM,RO,PARTFLAGS,SIZE,TYPE,FSTYPE,LABEL,PARTLABEL,PTTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,UUID,PARTUUID,WWN,MODEL,ALIGNMENT
Just paste here the result and _wait_ for our answer. This is for diagnostic, not for solving the issue.
Don't do anything else.
Ok, I have re-aligned your text so that it is easier to read:
doug@linux1:~> lsblk --output NAME,KNAME,RA,RM,RO,PARTFLAGS,SIZE,TYPE,FSTYPE,LABEL,PARTLABEL,PTTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,UUID,PARTUUID,WWN,MODEL,ALIGNMENT NAME KNAME RA RM RO PARTFLAGS SIZE TYPE FSTYPE LABEL PARTLABEL PTTYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID PARTUUID WWN MODEL ALIGNMENT sr0 sr0 512 1 0 1024M rom DVDRA 0 nvme0n1 │ nvme0n1 │ 512 0 0 465.8G disk gpt eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc WDC W 0 ├─nvme0n1p1 │ nvme0n1p1 │ 512 0 0 100M part vfat EFI system partition gpt /boot/efi 2288-E297 b52232a0-49b0-4641-a843-8501cc410e24 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 │ ├─nvme0n1p2 │ nvme0n1p2 │ 512 0 0 16M part Microsoft reserved partition gpt 80f88fe2-cf9f-4bf2-bc9f-85d0d1f8a26b eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 │ ├─nvme0n1p3 │ nvme0n1p3 │ 512 0 0 157.2G part ntfs Basic data partition gpt A6D08B3AD08B0FAB 73d8a696-816b-4484-be66-75916f31db06 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 │ ├─nvme0n1p4 │ nvme0n1p4 │ 512 0 0 0x1 513M part ntfs gpt A6208CCC208CA541 640601eb-6da5-4af4-9bba-0599819e5ec4 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 ├─nvme0n1p5 │ nvme0n1p5 │ 512 0 0 294.4G part btrfs gpt /var 2131313e-e1ba-4df7-931f-be0ceb695e4d 50c3129f-2dfb-41b7-9362-2424df21e3c3 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 └─nvme0n1p6 nvme0n1p6 512 0 0 13.5G part swap gpt [SWAP] ae4fb81f-6dcd-40fc-92aa-f2724fd087b8 8aa43f3d-e3d2-4e8d-9f3e-9ab22317e3d2 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 doug@linux1:~>
The windows partition is number three. So, the command to mount it would be (as root):
# md /mnt # md /mnt/windows # mount -v /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/windows
if it prints anything, paste it here. If it prints nothing, it worked. doug@linux1:~> su - Password:
On 8/24/21 2:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: linux1:~ # md /mnt linux1:~ # md /mnt/windows linux1:~ # mount -v /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/windows Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. Failed to mount '/dev/nvme0n1p3': Operation not permitted The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume read-only with the 'ro' mount option. I thought I turned hibernation off! I will have to go back and verify. I will recheck that and shut down Windows to zero after I verify, and then try it again. --dm
# ls /mnt/windows
will list the files and directories. Notice that this method will not allow you to write files, only root can. We can solve that later.
If it failed, run:
dmesg | tail -n 30
and paste all that text here.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 24/08/2021 20.50, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 2:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2021-08-24 at 13:56 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 9:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2021-08-23 at 22:25 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
The windows partition is number three. So, the command to mount it would be (as root):
# md /mnt # md /mnt/windows # mount -v /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/windows
if it prints anything, paste it here. If it prints nothing, it worked.
doug@linux1:~> su - Password: linux1:~ # md /mnt linux1:~ # md /mnt/windows linux1:~ # mount -v /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/windows Windows is hibernated, refused to mount.
So there you have, as we thought from the start.
Failed to mount '/dev/nvme0n1p3': Operation not permitted The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
I thought I turned hibernation off! I will have to go back and verify. I will recheck that and shut down Windows to zero after I verify, and then try it again. Reboot instead of shutting down should have worked. Select in the Windows Menu "reboot machine", and if offers "full reboot", choose it.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 8/24/21 2:50 PM, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
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On Tuesday, 2021-08-24 at 13:56 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 9:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2021-08-23 at 22:25 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
Ok run this command and paste here the result:
lsblk --output
NAME,KNAME,RA,RM,RO,PARTFLAGS,SIZE,TYPE,FSTYPE,LABEL,PARTLABEL,PTTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,UUID,PARTUUID,WWN,MODEL,ALIGNMENT
Just paste here the result and _wait_ for our answer. This is for diagnostic, not for solving the issue.
Don't do anything else.
Ok, I have re-aligned your text so that it is easier to read:
doug@linux1:~> lsblk --output NAME,KNAME,RA,RM,RO,PARTFLAGS,SIZE,TYPE,FSTYPE,LABEL,PARTLABEL,PTTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,UUID,PARTUUID,WWN,MODEL,ALIGNMENT NAME KNAME RA RM RO PARTFLAGS SIZE TYPE FSTYPE LABEL PARTLABEL PTTYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID PARTUUID WWN MODEL ALIGNMENT sr0 sr0 512 1 0 1024M rom DVDRA 0 nvme0n1 │ nvme0n1 │ 512 0 0 465.8G disk gpt eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc WDC W 0 ├─nvme0n1p1 │ nvme0n1p1 │ 512 0 0 100M part vfat EFI system partition gpt /boot/efi 2288-E297 b52232a0-49b0-4641-a843-8501cc410e24 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 │ ├─nvme0n1p2 │ nvme0n1p2 │ 512 0 0 16M part Microsoft reserved partition gpt 80f88fe2-cf9f-4bf2-bc9f-85d0d1f8a26b eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 │ ├─nvme0n1p3 │ nvme0n1p3 │ 512 0 0 157.2G part ntfs Basic data partition gpt A6D08B3AD08B0FAB 73d8a696-816b-4484-be66-75916f31db06 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 │ ├─nvme0n1p4 │ nvme0n1p4 │ 512 0 0 0x1 513M part ntfs gpt A6208CCC208CA541 640601eb-6da5-4af4-9bba-0599819e5ec4 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 ├─nvme0n1p5 │ nvme0n1p5 │ 512 0 0 294.4G part btrfs gpt /var 2131313e-e1ba-4df7-931f-be0ceb695e4d 50c3129f-2dfb-41b7-9362-2424df21e3c3 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 └─nvme0n1p6 nvme0n1p6 512 0 0 13.5G part swap gpt [SWAP] ae4fb81f-6dcd-40fc-92aa-f2724fd087b8 8aa43f3d-e3d2-4e8d-9f3e-9ab22317e3d2 eui.e8238fa6bf530001001b448b4610debc 0 doug@linux1:~>
The windows partition is number three. So, the command to mount it would be (as root):
# md /mnt # md /mnt/windows # mount -v /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/windows
if it prints anything, paste it here. If it prints nothing, it worked. doug@linux1:~> su - Password:
On 8/24/21 2:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: linux1:~ # md /mnt linux1:~ # md /mnt/windows linux1:~ # mount -v /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/windows Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. Failed to mount '/dev/nvme0n1p3': Operation not permitted The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
I thought I turned hibernation off! I will have to go back and verify. I will recheck that and shut down Windows to zero after I verify, and then try it again. --dm
# ls /mnt/windows
will list the files and directories. Notice that this method will not allow you to write files, only root can. We can solve that later.
If it failed, run:
dmesg | tail -n 30
and paste all that text here.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Apparently I had not succeeded in turning hibernation off. I have now done so. Your commands now work. linux1:~ # md /mnt linux1:~ # md /mnt/windows linux1:~ # mount -v /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/windows linux1:~ # ls /mnt/windows $Recycle.Bin $WinREAgent Documents and Settings ESD PerfLogs Program Files (x86) Recovery Users bootTel.dat swapfile.sys $WINDOWS.~BT $Windows.~WS DumpStack.log.tmp Intel Program Files ProgramData System Volume Information Windows pagefile.sys l linux1:~ # cd /mnt/windows linux1:/mnt/windows # ls -la total 2506809 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 2 14:17 $Recycle.Bin drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 25 19:53 $WINDOWS.~BT drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Aug 21 11:05 $WinREAgent drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 25 19:53 $Windows.~WS drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8192 Aug 24 10:01 . drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14 Aug 24 14:43 .. lrwxrwxrwx 2 root root 60 Jun 3 19:38 Documents and Settings -> /mnt/windows/Users -rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 8192 Aug 24 09:51 DumpStack.log.tmp drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 25 20:10 ESD drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Aug 24 09:51 Intel drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec 7 2019 PerfLogs drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8192 Aug 22 16:53 Program Files drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Aug 9 07:56 Program Files (x86) drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Aug 9 07:56 ProgramData drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jun 3 19:38 Recovery drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Aug 21 11:05 System Volume Information drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Jun 4 01:01 Users drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16384 Aug 22 14:58 Windows -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 112 Jul 21 19:42 bootTel.dat -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2550136832 Aug 24 09:51 pagefile.sys -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16777216 Aug 24 09:51 swapfile.sys linux1:/mnt/windows # However, there is no indication in File Manager (root Dolphin) that it sees the Windows directory. --doug
On 8/24/21 3:27 PM, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
However, there is no indication in File Manager (root Dolphin) that it sees the Windows directory.
--doug
That's an error. Dolphin shows "Basic Data Partition" and on that are the Windows files. Right now there are no personal entries in Windows. --doug
On 8/24/21 4:16 PM, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 3:27 PM, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
However, there is no indication in File Manager (root Dolphin) that it sees the Windows directory.
--doug
That's an error. Dolphin shows "Basic Data Partition" and on that are the Windows files. Right now there are no personal entries in Windows. --doug
Even though it is not a requirement - and it may be too late now for you to do this, anyway - but I have always found it safer to use a separate W$ partition for "personal entries". I try to never write to the C:\ volume from linux, and so I mount this -ro from fstab. Always remember that Windows behaves as if it has full solo control of the machine. --dg 15.2 & 15.3 w/Plasma
On 29/08/2021 19.07, DennisG wrote:
On 8/24/21 4:16 PM, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 3:27 PM, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
Even though it is not a requirement - and it may be too late now for you to do this, anyway - but I have always found it safer to use a separate W$ partition for "personal entries". I try to never write to the C:\ volume from linux, and so I mount this -ro from fstab. Always remember that Windows behaves as if it has full solo control of the machine.
An external disk, formatted exfat, perhaps, would work very nicely to exchange files between OSes or computers. Being external, you only have to "remove safely" to make sure it is closed. Small, rotating rust disks, can be purchased quite cheap nowdays. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
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29 авг. 2021 г., в 20:51, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> написал(а):
An external disk, formatted exfat, perhaps, would work very nicely to exchange files between OSes or computers. Being external, you only have to "remove safely" to make sure it is closed.
UDF is supported natively by Linux kernel and Windows (starting with Windows 7), offers random read-write access and is often overlooked format for sharing files with older kernels without exFAT support.
On 8/29/21 2:24 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
Отправлено с iPhone
29 авг. 2021 г., в 20:51, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> написал(а):
An external disk, formatted exfat, perhaps, would work very nicely to exchange files between OSes or computers. Being external, you only have to "remove safely" to make sure it is closed.
UDF is supported natively by Linux kernel and Windows (starting with Windows 7), offers random read-write access and is often overlooked format for sharing files with older kernels without exFAT support.
I found 31 definitions of UDF, but Universal Disk Format is probably what is meant. It is not clear to me how one would use it, even tho I did look it up in Firefox. --doug
On 29/08/2021 20.24, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
Отправлено с iPhone
29 авг. 2021 г., в 20:51, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> написал(а):
An external disk, formatted exfat, perhaps, would work very nicely to exchange files between OSes or computers. Being external, you only have to "remove safely" to make sure it is closed.
UDF is supported natively by Linux kernel and Windows (starting with Windows 7), offers random read-write access and is often overlooked format for sharing files with older kernels without exFAT support.
True, I forget about it. I'll have to try on my TV tuner, but I don't think it is mentioned in the doc. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from oS Leap 15.2 x86_64 (Minas Tirith))
On 24/08/2021 21.27, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 2:50 PM, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 2:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Content-ID: <de7f558b-5bf6-8211-2181-893ab3293ae5@Telcontar.valinor> On Tuesday, 2021-08-24 at 13:56 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/24/21 9:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2021-08-23 at 22:25 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Apparently I had not succeeded in turning hibernation off. I have now done so. Your commands now work.
linux1:~ # md /mnt linux1:~ # md /mnt/windows
You only need those two commands once per life.
linux1:~ # mount -v /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt/windows linux1:~ # ls /mnt/windows $Recycle.Bin $WinREAgent Documents and Settings ESD PerfLogs Program Files (x86) Recovery Users bootTel.dat swapfile.sys $WINDOWS.~BT $Windows.~WS DumpStack.log.tmp Intel Program Files ProgramData System Volume Information Windows pagefile.sys l
linux1:~ # cd /mnt/windows linux1:/mnt/windows # ls -la total 2506809 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 2 14:17 $Recycle.Bin drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 25 19:53 $WINDOWS.~BT drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Aug 21 11:05 $WinREAgent drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 25 19:53 $Windows.~WS ... -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16777216 Aug 24 09:51 swapfile.sys linux1:/mnt/windows #
However, there is no indication in File Manager (root Dolphin) that it sees the Windows directory.
Because you are not pointing it at the mounted directory (/mnt/windows). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 5:26 AM Douglas McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 24/08/2021 02.45, James Knott wrote:
On 2021-08-23 4:42 p.m., James Knott wrote:
On 2021-08-23 4:35 p.m., Douglas McGarrett wrote:
as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it?
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The system has one of those funky new drives--nme***whatever. Is that a possibllity?
Maybe. You never described what "cannot access Windows" actually means, what you did, what result you intended to achieve and what results you got so how do you expect anyone to guess "what you are doing wrong"?
On 8/24/21 10:34 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 5:26 AM Douglas McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:
On 8/23/21 9:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 24/08/2021 02.45, James Knott wrote:
On 2021-08-23 4:42 p.m., James Knott wrote:
On 2021-08-23 4:35 p.m., Douglas McGarrett wrote:
as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it?
...
The system has one of those funky new drives--nme***whatever. Is that a possibllity? Maybe. You never described what "cannot access Windows" actually means, what you did, what result you intended to achieve and what results you got so how do you expect anyone to guess "what you are doing wrong"? Many months ago, using Tumbleweed, I could open Dolphin, or the File Manager, and read from or write a file to the Windows installation on the same drive. I did not need to do this often, but it was handy, rather than pasting a file onto a flash drive and then opening it up in the other system. I would see an entry in Dolphin or the File Manger for the Windows partition. Now I don't. Now I'm using Leap 15.3, and I tried the same thing, but it doesn't work. The version of Windows 10 is more recent--this is a newer computer. I hope that's all clear enough. --doug
On 23/08/2021 22.35, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 8/23/21 5:49 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 23/08/2021 22.35, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try.
Shut down Windows. Computer off. Waited about 20 seconds or so. Booted into Linux. No access to Windows partition.
On 24/08/2021 00.26, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 5:49 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 23/08/2021 22.35, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try.
Shut down Windows.
No. Didn't you read me? I said: "Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try". I never said "Shut down Windows".
Computer off. Waited about 20 seconds or so. Booted into Linux. No access to Windows partition.
So, repeat as told. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 8/23/21 6:52 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 24/08/2021 00.26, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 5:49 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 23/08/2021 22.35, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try.
Shut down Windows.
No. Didn't you read me? I said: "Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try".
I never said "Shut down Windows".
Computer off. Waited about 20 seconds or so. Booted into Linux. No access to Windows partition.
So, repeat as told.
I don't know how to select Linux without actually shutting down Windows--i.e., logging out of it to a situation where I have a black screen and the option to select Linux or Windows. Is there some other way to get to Linux from Windows without shutting down Windows? And to get back to the original question, I neve had to do any special tricks before--a set of Windows files just showed up as a selection line in Dolphin or File Manager. In either one, the available possibilities are "Basic data partition" and "294.4 GiB Hard Drive." However, it occurs to me, that I was running Tumbleweed, and now am running Leap. Is that the trick? --doug
On 24/08/2021 02.37, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 6:52 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 24/08/2021 00.26, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 5:49 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 23/08/2021 22.35, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try.
Shut down Windows.
No. Didn't you read me? I said: "Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try".
I never said "Shut down Windows".
Computer off. Waited about 20 seconds or so. Booted into Linux. No access to Windows partition.
So, repeat as told.
I don't know how to select Linux without actually shutting down Windows--i.e., logging out of it to a situation where I have a black screen and the option to select Linux or Windows. Is there some other way to get to Linux from Windows without shutting down Windows?
I repeat: just do a full reboot in Windows. The next screen after Windows dies will be the BIOS or Grub asking what to boot. Select Linux.
And to get back to the original question, I neve had to do any special tricks before--a set of Windows files just showed up as a selection line in Dolphin or File Manager. In either one, the available possibilities are "Basic data partition" and "294.4 GiB Hard Drive." However, it occurs to me, that I was running Tumbleweed, and now am running Leap. Is that the trick?
Again. The trick is REBOOT IN FULL. Just do it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 8/23/21 8:18 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 24/08/2021 02.37, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 6:52 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 24/08/2021 00.26, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
On 8/23/21 5:49 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 23/08/2021 22.35, Douglas McGarrett wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try.
Shut down Windows.
No. Didn't you read me? I said: "Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try".
I never said "Shut down Windows".
Computer off. Waited about 20 seconds or so. Booted into Linux. No access to Windows partition.
So, repeat as told.
I don't know how to select Linux without actually shutting down Windows--i.e., logging out of it to a situation where I have a black screen and the option to select Linux or Windows. Is there some other way to get to Linux from Windows without shutting down Windows?
I repeat: just do a full reboot in Windows.
The next screen after Windows dies will be the BIOS or Grub asking what to boot. Select Linux.
And to get back to the original question, I neve had to do any special tricks before--a set of Windows files just showed up as a selection line in Dolphin or File Manager. In either one, the available possibilities are "Basic data partition" and "294.4 GiB Hard Drive." However, it occurs to me, that I was running Tumbleweed, and now am running Leap. Is that the trick?
Again. The trick is REBOOT IN FULL. Just do it.
A trick that I used to use on my dual boot system, but I haven't done in a long time, so I don't know if it still works. When shutting down windows, hold down the left-shift button when selecting to shut down windows. This apparently shuts windows down completely. IIRC, when I used to do that regularly, that was what would allow me to access the windows drives when I powered up. But I suppose you could also check the mask codes in fstab that indicate whether the windows drive is mounted read-write or read-only. -- George Box: 15.2 | Plasma 5 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 15.2 | Plasma 5 | AMD FX 7TH GEN | 64 | 32GB Laptop #2: 15.2 | Plasma 5 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB
Douglas McGarrett composed on 2021-08-23 18:26 (UTC-0400):
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Make sure that in Windows you do a full reboot, then select Linux and try.
Shut down Windows. Computer off. Waited about 20 seconds or so. Booted into Linux. No access to Windows partition.
Never "shut down" Windows. Always reboot. Do your shutdowns only either: 1-from Grub menu (power button upon reaching Grub), or 2-power button after POST begins, or 3-from Linux. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
You must disable the fast boot option in Windows. When enabled, windows partitions are used as OS cache and Linux detect them as not correctly unmounted. Regards, Francesco On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:36 PM Douglas McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:
I used to be able to access the windows partition and read/write to it. I have a very new win 10 version-- OS build 19041.1165 with experience pack 120.2212.3530.0. I have turned off the hibernate, as far as I can tell, but I still cannot access Windows. What am I dong wrong, or has MS "fixed" it? --doug
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