I've got 10.1 on pre-order from my local supplier... If you read on the openSUSE website, and also through the endless discussions about this, there will be a SUSE OSS version available for download, and a full retail version available for purchase. The main difference being the installation support and addition of commercial software to the retail version.

It would be very good if SUSE retail version will also come with codecs (MP3, DivX, WMV, libDVDcss) and Source Code DVD. This will add value.

On 22/04/06 14:21, BandiPat wrote:

On Saturday 22 April 2006 15:50, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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I've got 10.1 on pre-order from my local supplier... If you read on the openSUSE website, and also through the endless discussions about this, there will be a SUSE OSS version available for download, and a full retail version available for purchase. The main difference being the installation support and addition of commercial software to the retail version.

It would be very good if SUSE retail version will also come with codecs (MP3, DivX, WMV, libDVDcss) and Source Code DVD. This will add value.

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I believe they are working on these things, please catch up with what is going on. You might want to check Novell's site out once in a while to catch up on the news. Please don't feed the trolls.

As an aside, when did libDVDcss become legal in the United States?

On Sunday 23 April 2006 06:00 pm, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

On Sunday 23 April 2006 06:39 pm, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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As an aside, when did libDVDcss become legal in the United States?

It's obviously legal under the right circumstances since all living-room DVD players and Windows-based software players like Power DVD can play encrypted DVDs!

If I can go out and buy PowerDVD to watch movies on my Windows computer, and that's legal, isn't it about time there was legal software to play movies on my Linux computer? How many years has it been, yet if we WANT to be legal, what software can we buy?

As I think I've mentioned in the past, Linspire does have a Linux DVD Player available for purchase. http://www.linspire.com/dvdplayer If they can do it - and have been for some time - then I'm not sure why a higher-quality distro like SuSE/SUSE has been throwing up the "we-aren't-allowed" mantra for the past few years. It is funny, if you look on the Lindows website, "the Linspire DVD player includes a commercial license for the DVD playback decoding so you don't have to find, buy and install this on your own (this can be expensive and a tricky, complicated process)." That should read, "unless you buy our DVD player and/or live in Norway or Sweden you're SOL if you want to play DVD's on your computer."

Till this absurd situation changes, I don't apologize for downloading libdvdcss.

Ooooohhhhh....you're gonna get it..... http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/desk_dvd_lg.jpg ...hmm. I wonder how that got on there. Odd. -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.livebeans.com - the new NetBeans community 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.

On Monday 24 April 2006 12:03 am, david rankin wrote:

Just like playing Linux or playing packman, I've never seen a distro that couldn't be brought up the speed.

You are correct, and I do this. However, strictly speaking, it is not legal. There is legal DVD software for Windows. In my opinion there is no reason not to have legal DVD software for Linux. It's downright silly, in fact. Years have passed and nothing has changed. Why? Bryan **************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 3.4-3 KDE 3.4.3 KMail 1.8.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ****************************************

On 23/04/06 19:00, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

On Sunday 23 April 2006 06:39 pm, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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As an aside, when did libDVDcss become legal in the United States?

It's obviously legal under the right circumstances since all living-room DVD players and Windows-based software players like Power DVD can play encrypted DVDs!

I wasn't aware that Windows or my DVD player (the one plugged into the TV, not the one in my computer) used libDVDcss. LibDVDcss is a codec library for Linux, not a general-purpose codec library. Microsoft and manufacturers of DVD players all licenced the codec from whoever owns the DVD/CSS patents, and implemented it in proprietary software, whereas the author of libDVDcss did not -- that library purports to be open source, which, if those patents have any validity to them whatsoever, is patently ridiculous.

If I can go out and buy PowerDVD to watch movies on my Windows computer, and that's legal, isn't it about time there was legal software to play movies on my Linux computer? How many years has it been, yet if we WANT to be legal, what software can we buy?

That I cannot help you with.

Till this absurd situation changes, I don't apologize for downloading libdvdcss. Well, *shhhhh* until it is legal, or you might find yourself on someone's terrorist watchlist ;)

On Sunday 23 April 2006 06:00 pm, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

On Sunday 23 April 2006 06:39 pm, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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As an aside, when did libDVDcss become legal in the United States?

It's obviously legal under the right circumstances since all living-room DVD players and Windows-based software players like Power DVD can play encrypted DVDs!

Um, not quite. They (the "legal" players and hardware devices) don't use libDVDcss. They use the "official" library which does exactly the same thing. It is akin to the US saying that acetaminophen is only legally sold by CompanyX, yet you still buy the substance from another company, which manufactures a generic. Though US (and other countries) allow this in drug manufacturing, they don't seem to follow the same rules for css. (Unless, of course, the patent is longer than seven years.) -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.livebeans.com - the new NetBeans community 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.

At 06:29 AM 23/04/2006, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Saturday 22 April 2006 21:11, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:

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I note that open SuSE is going on to ver 10.2 right after it is done with the RCs for version 10.1. There is no mention of a public sale of boxed sets for us small folks. Is this the future course? Or will there be boxed sets of SuSE 10.n offered in the future?

I'm not privy to the plans for the future, but I haven't heard anything about sales of the boxed version being stopped.

But opensuse is just the development project. Obviously they will move on to the next version as soon as this one is done, this is what development does: they develop. This will happen regardless of the fate of the boxed version

If I understand things correctly (Anders, I hope this is right)? OpenSuSE = Development Tree = Raw builds to Basic Interoption without problems FactorySuSE = Factory Tree = Opensuse output updated and fixes to Pre-release NovellSuSE = Final Version Product = Boxed sets and Supported Releases scsijon