[opensuse] Multiple accounts in KMail OR Integrating Thunderbird in Kontact
Hi List! I'm considering to move to KMail from Thunderbird, I played a bit with it, and after not-so-helpful googling decided to ask you. Can I add multiple accounts exactly in the way it works in Thunderbird (out of local folders folder, each one with separate inbox, sent, trash and unsent folders). I saw that I can make separate folders for accounts in the local folders folder and associate accounts with it, but that's not what I want(sent, ... etc) I really don't want all of them to go to one folder, and I also want to have Local Folders separately. AND/OR Can I integrate Thunderbird in Kontact? So instead of default KMail I will get Thunderbird embedded there? Thanks a lot! -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday, 1. October 2007, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List!
I'm considering to move to KMail from Thunderbird, I played a bit with it, and after not-so-helpful googling decided to ask you.
Can I add multiple accounts exactly in the way it works in Thunderbird (out of local folders folder, each one with separate inbox, sent, trash and unsent folders). I saw that I can make separate folders for accounts in the local folders folder and associate accounts with it, but that's not what I want(sent, ... etc)
I really don't want all of them to go to one folder, and I also want to have Local Folders separately.
AND/OR
Can I integrate Thunderbird in Kontact? So instead of default KMail I will get Thunderbird embedded there?
Thanks a lot! -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo
Perhaps you should ask the people that write/maintain kmail and Kontact rather than the general opensuse mailing list? Regards, Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
It is possible to have different accounts deliver to different folders. It seems to work a little different than TBird in that You don't have a comlete set of folders for each account, rather you specify a destination folder under local folders. At least that's what i did.... since tbird is not a KDE app I don't believe it will integerate with Kontact. It won't have the KDE comm protocals... Michael Comperchio On Monday 01 October 2007 17:04, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List!
I'm considering to move to KMail from Thunderbird, I played a bit with it, and after not-so-helpful googling decided to ask you.
Can I add multiple accounts exactly in the way it works in Thunderbird (out of local folders folder, each one with separate inbox, sent, trash and unsent folders). I saw that I can make separate folders for accounts in the local folders folder and associate accounts with it, but that's not what I want(sent, ... etc)
I really don't want all of them to go to one folder, and I also want to have Local Folders separately.
AND/OR
Can I integrate Thunderbird in Kontact? So instead of default KMail I will get Thunderbird embedded there?
Thanks a lot! -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo
-- Michael Comperchio mcmprch@yahoo.com 860 485 8488 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 October 2007 14:04, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List!
I'm considering to move to KMail from Thunderbird, I played a bit with it, and after not-so-helpful googling decided to ask you.
Can I add multiple accounts exactly in the way it works in Thunderbird (out of local folders folder, each one with separate inbox, sent, trash and unsent folders). I saw that I can make separate folders for accounts in the local folders folder and associate accounts with it, but that's not what I want(sent, ... etc)
I really don't want all of them to go to one folder, and I also want to have Local Folders separately.
I don't believe there's a built-in ability to associate a separate complete set of standard folders (In, Out, Sent, Trash, Drafts), but you can specify a different In box when you define an account. And I don't think there's a way at all to have more than one Outbox. Nor do I think you could get the built-in Move To Trash operation to target custom Trash folders. The rest can be simulated with filters, more or less. The thing to explore is the considerable power of KMail filters. A few things to note: - Filters enabled for incoming or outgoing messages can be restricted to subsets of your accounts - Filters can be made to operate only when manually applied - Filters can be given buttons on the toolbar - Filters can be placed in a sub-menu of the Message menu - Filters can rewrite headers and invoke external filters
AND/OR
Can I integrate Thunderbird in Kontact? So instead of default KMail I will get Thunderbird embedded there?
I can't say I know for 100%, but I think it's highly unlikely. I do strongly recommend moving away from Thunderbird. I really dislike it by comparison to KMail. The only thing it does better is compose formatted messages.
Thanks a lot! -- Sergey Mkrtchyan
Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Monday 01 October 2007 14:04, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List!
<snip>
I do strongly recommend moving away from Thunderbird. I really dislike it by comparison to KMail. The only thing it does better is compose formatted messages.
I think the decision of which e-Mail client to use depends to a large extent of the functionality required, and the environments used. As a stand alone mail client KMail is adequate... for a lot of other stuff it is not... Linux support for SyncML is frankly antidiluvean. Only Evolution and Thunderbird have any support, the former by a third party command line application, the second by a third party plug-in. KMail last time I looked, seems to make use of the multisync based stuff which does not do this terribly well if at all (and seems to be still targetting the Palm OS which itself seems to be quietly drifting into the dustbin of history, which is unfortunate for the fans of the OS). As SyncML (in particular for synchronising with things like Blackberry based services, handhelds, smartphones and other mobile devices) is increasingly important in the commercial marketplace this is potentially a major issue, If for any reason you require to synchronise with or access a SyncML server KMail is not an option. (This is really part of a more general flaw in the KDE environment, for personal use it does provide an adequate set of communication management tools, but for more commercial requirements they are not really good enough yet). Evolution, if it can acquire a bit more stability has more potential in this area, but is unfortunately is still a single platform application tool. If you have to move between Windows and Linux environments at the moment there is really only one choice in the open source world (if you want to avoid webmail). At that is Thunderbird+extensions...There are other (in some cases very good) clients that operate in both environments but they have price tags..
Thanks a lot! -- Sergey Mkrtchyan
Randall Schulz
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On Tuesday 02 October 2007, G T Smith said:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Monday 01 October 2007 14:04, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List!
<snip>
I do strongly recommend moving away from Thunderbird. I really dislike it by comparison to KMail. The only thing it does better is compose formatted messages.
I think the decision of which e-Mail client to use depends to a large extent of the functionality required, and the environments used. As a stand alone mail client KMail is adequate... for a lot of other stuff it is not...
Linux support for SyncML is frankly antidiluvean. Only Evolution and Thunderbird have any support, the former by a third party command line application, the second by a third party plug-in. KMail last time I looked, seems to make use of the multisync based stuff which does not do
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this mail was stuck in a misconfigured mailserver for the last few years and just happened to turn up in this thread now, rather than seeing this as an uninformed rant :). To set the record straight, KMail and KDE use the cross-platform OpenSync library (opensync.org), one of the major plugins for which is for SyncML. The 'kitchensync' tool in KDE was ported away from multisync to opensync 2 years ago. For specialised features, Palm OS users can use KPilot and mobile phone users can use KMobileTools. These support device specific features not addressed by SyncML. This code is under active development at the moment but a lot of people are using it already. SUSE employs one of the opensync core developers, a couple of other guys in the Mobile Devices team are involved too, and we host development workshops for syncing. Will. -- Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Will Stephenson wrote:
On Tuesday 02 October 2007, G T Smith said:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Monday 01 October 2007 14:04, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List! <snip>
I do strongly recommend moving away from Thunderbird. I really dislike it by comparison to KMail. The only thing it does better is compose formatted messages. I think the decision of which e-Mail client to use depends to a large extent of the functionality required, and the environments used. As a stand alone mail client KMail is adequate... for a lot of other stuff it is not...
Linux support for SyncML is frankly antidiluvean. Only Evolution and Thunderbird have any support, the former by a third party command line application, the second by a third party plug-in. KMail last time I looked, seems to make use of the multisync based stuff which does not do
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this mail was stuck in a misconfigured mailserver for the last few years and just happened to turn up in this thread now, rather than seeing this as an uninformed rant :).
To set the record straight, KMail and KDE use the cross-platform OpenSync library (opensync.org), one of the major plugins for which is for SyncML. The 'kitchensync' tool in KDE was ported away from multisync to opensync 2 years ago. For specialised features, Palm OS users can use KPilot and mobile phone users can use KMobileTools. These support device specific features not addressed by SyncML.
I spent a fair bit of time working with the Funambol SyncML server and went through the various options up down and side ways to get it going (including having to work through a Thunderbird change which effectively crocked the Funambol SyncML plugin on 1.5)... The evolution stuff mostly works for contacts as does Thunderbird stuff on 2.x, calendar synchronisation is still a bit of a problem with both (but this seems to a Nokia 9500/Funambol issue). I did look at the KDE stuff and although I have KitchenSync installed the Kontact synchronistation seemed to be restricted to KPilot and Palm (not really a lot of use to me to be honest). As I did not really like Kontact very much I did not explore this further. I am really rather hoping that the work being done on the Evolution Funambol SyncML support will evolve into a full version at some point because the effective functionality is a bit better than the Thunderbird plugin, but currently it is just not very intuitive to use, and installing is a bit of work as well... (if this happens then I will strongly be tempted into moving back to Evolution despite single platform issues)... KMobileTools with series 80 phones (i.e. 9500/9300/9300i) was a basic non starter last time I looked at it . and rather similarly so with UIQ based symbian phones,.. series 60 or 90 maybe (but I do not have one of these available so I have not tested them with it) ... (I have just reading today that those hoping to get linux phones into the marketplace have come to some sort of agreement with the OMA about standards so maybe this problem will work itself out in the longer term...)
This code is under active development at the moment but a lot of people are using it already. SUSE employs one of the opensync core developers, a couple of other guys in the Mobile Devices team are involved too, and we host development workshops for syncing.
I have made various attempts over the past few years to get usable interoperability with Symbian OS smartphones with linux with very mixed results... the PSION based things like nfsplip did kind of work with earlier 92xx communicators, P8xx and of course with PSIONs but are not a lot of good with later symbian protocols... SyncML is the obvious alternative but you do need the client-server setup The only real open source option on the server end is Funambol and basically there is not a lot around which really works well with it on linux (and again this issue is bit complicated by limitations in some of the funambol device modules and with the devices used).... Funambol is also not that easy to setup (at least with MySQL as the back end database). At the moment for file transfer I turn my phone into an FTP server (when at home only) and connect and periodically synchronise contacts with funambol.. and the only immediate option for calendaring seems to be something involving Midgard and iCal (which for obvious reasons I am holding fire on)... For these reasons I still hold the SyncML position is pretty poor at the moment, I also recognise that this to some extent is being addressed...
Will.
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On Tuesday 02 October 2007 02:32, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Tuesday 02 October 2007, G T Smith said:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Monday 01 October 2007 14:04, Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List!
<snip>
I do strongly recommend moving away from Thunderbird. I really dislike it by comparison to KMail. The only thing it does better is compose formatted messages.
...
Linux support for SyncML is frankly antidiluvean. ...
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this mail was stuck in a misconfigured mailserver for the last few years and just happened to turn up in this thread now, rather than seeing this as an uninformed rant :).
Well, he did say "antidiluvean," not "antediluvian," so I think he's saying you're working to prevent a flood of biblical proportions. You could interpret it as doing your part to prevent global warming...
...
Will.
-- Desktop Engineer KDE Team
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-10-01 at 15:00 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I don't believe there's a built-in ability to associate a separate complete set of standard folders (In, Out, Sent, Trash, Drafts), but you can specify a different In box when you define an account. And I don't think there's a way at all to have more than one Outbox. Nor do I think you could get the built-in Move To Trash operation to target custom Trash folders. The rest can be simulated with filters, more or less.
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I do strongly recommend moving away from Thunderbird. I really dislike it by comparison to KMail. The only thing it does better is compose formatted messages.
In my test partition for 10.3 these days I have used both kmail and thunderbird. I like the better management of mail lists in kmail (th. doesn't have any to speak of), but Thunderbird management of imap folders is much better: by default, the Sent folder is saved in the remote imap server, which is a very important feature for users on the move. Same goes for Trash, Draft, etc. I couldn't find a way to define those folders on a per account basis in Kmail. Now I learn that the way is usine filters... although kmail filters are powerfull, that's not the way, IMO. This thing is needed right in the mail account configuration. Also, with Thunderbird it notices instantly that new mail has arrived remotely at the imap folders. With Kmail I some times had to remind it to poll the server. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHAhJStTMYHG2NR9URAldgAKCSq01O1gg1dKnEBADCBuZV2M6QqACdF+bU AYVCPt+6LywgUv6O9fM2jVQ= =tcfo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 02 October 2007, Carlos E. R. said:
I couldn't find a way to define those folders on a per account basis in Kmail. Now I learn that the way is usine filters... although kmail filters are powerfull, that's not the way, IMO. This thing is needed right in the mail account configuration.
Look again at Configure KMail->Identities->Edit..->Advanced. Will -- Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 October 2007 22:04:22 Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Hi List!
Can I add multiple accounts exactly in the way it works in Thunderbird (out of local folders folder, each one with separate inbox, sent, trash and unsent folders). I saw that I can make separate folders for accounts in the local folders folder and associate accounts with it, but that's not what I want(sent, ... etc)
I really don't want all of them to go to one folder, and I also want to have Local Folders separately.
I'm guessing you're setting up POP3 mail accounts? Are you able to use IMAP4 as a message retrieval protocol? This does bring in the folder structure of the remote mail system, whereas POP3 does not. If POP3 is the only protocol available to you, you can set up each identity to copy sent mail to separate locations within local folders. Not exactly what you want, but probably as close as you can manage with Kmail. Using POP3 makes your mail 'local' as it is downloading the mail (normally deleting from the server, although this can be specified not to do this also) to your client, whereas IMAP4 does not do this (by default; you can specify to cache the mail locally). I guess this is the reason why POP3 mail accounts automatically go to the local folders area.
AND/OR
Can I integrate Thunderbird in Kontact? So instead of default KMail I will get Thunderbird embedded there?
Nope - TBird will not integrate into Kontact. Kmail is the mailer part of Kontact. I know Will, the Kontact/Kmail maintainer, monitors this list so maybe he'll jump in with further information. Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 02 October 2007, Jonathan Ervine said:
On Monday 01 October 2007 22:04:22 Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
Can I add multiple accounts exactly in the way it works in Thunderbird (out of local folders folder, each one with separate inbox, sent, trash and unsent folders). I saw that I can make separate folders for accounts in the local folders folder and associate accounts with it, but that's not what I want(sent, ... etc)
I really don't want all of them to go to one folder, and I also want to have Local Folders separately.
I'm guessing you're setting up POP3 mail accounts? Are you able to use IMAP4 as a message retrieval protocol? This does bring in the folder structure of the remote mail system, whereas POP3 does not. If POP3 is the only protocol available to you, you can set up each identity to copy sent mail to separate locations within local folders. Not exactly what you want, but probably as close as you can manage with Kmail. Using POP3 makes your mail 'local' as it is downloading the mail (normally deleting from the server, although this can be specified not to do this also) to your client, whereas IMAP4 does not do this (by default; you can specify to cache the mail locally). I guess this is the reason why POP3 mail accounts automatically go to the local folders area.
Good explanation. You can set up a folder hierarchy within Local Folders with multiple POP3 accounts delivering and storing in separate folders. Step by step: 1) Set up a set of nested folders eg Local Folders \ Sheep \ Inbox \ Sent \ Drafts \ ... \ Pigs \ Inbox \ Sent \ Drafts \ ... \ Trash 2) Create receiving POP accounts. In the account setup dialog set the Destination folder for each account eg Local Folders/Sheep/Inbox. 3) Create an Identity for each POP account. Set the email address, and in the Advanced tab, set the folders to use for that folders Sent, Drafts and Templates (if needed). Doing this causes those folders to appear with the appropriate icons in the Folder List (you can customise icons for any folder in its Properties dialog). The one thing you can't do with POP is have multiple Trash folders automatically associated with a POP account. You can do this with IMAP because the mail is always stored on the server - it takes time to fetch mails to a local Trash folder, and is faster to move it on the server to that account's Trash. There's no real need for it when the mail has already been POPped to you. Having said that you can of course set up your own multiple Trash folders and sort your Trash manually. 4) Turn on the Identity selector in the mail composer (View->Identity in the composer window. 5) If you need to use multiple SMTP servers to send mail, create multiple Sending accounts.
Nope - TBird will not integrate into Kontact. Kmail is the mailer part of Kontact.
I know Will, the Kontact/Kmail maintainer, monitors this list so maybe he'll jump in with further information.
Jon is right, TBird cannot be integrated into Kontact. The reason is that the integration is more than just a simple combining of apps into panes of a window with an app switcher - for an example, try dragging a mail from kmail onto the To-do button. This creates a To-do out of the mail, which requires some plumbing between the mail app and the calendar/todo app. Since TBird is not written as a Kontact plugin using the KDE platform libs, it can't do this. You CAN however modify Kontact so it does not embed KMail, and use all the other features of Kontact together with Thunderbird, and use the taskbar or window manager to switch, but then you'd lose things like accessing the KDE wide address book and the drag and drop fluff mentioned above. If you go this way, use KControl->KDE Components->Component chooser to set the mail client to TBird, so that eg mailto:/ links in KDE apps launch TBird instead of KMail. And i'm just the openSUSE maintainer - the vast majority of the work comes from the community :). HTH Will -- Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Will Stephenson wrote:
Good explanation. You can set up a folder hierarchy within Local Folders with multiple POP3 accounts delivering and storing in separate folders. Step by step:
Thank you guys all for the lots of info. That scheme works for me, and I'll try to set it up later today. I just have 5 accounts with different "priorities", so keeping them all separate was my main concern. I see that there is lots of stuff to "discover" in KMail (thanks to Randall and Will) Thanks a lot again. Regards, Sergey -- Sergey Mkrtchyan, PhD Student @ Department of Physics & Astronomy, Faculty of Science, University of Waterloo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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