On Saturday 23 August 2008 05:18:35 pm Alexey Eremenko wrote:

Speaking about certification. .. Is there some thing similar for Linux (SUSE or not) ?

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--- On Sun, 8/24/08, Philipp Thomas wrote:

From: Philipp Thomas Subject: Re: [opensuse] Re: Certification for SUSE - does it exist ? To: "opensuse" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 2:25 AM On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:18:35 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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If not, then how certification can happen at all ?

There are no certifications for openSUSE, but some ISVs do certify their software for SLES.

Philipp

THere are many Linux certifications offered by Novell see them at http://www.prometric.com M.

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---- Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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THere are many Linux certifications offered by Novell see them at http://www.prometric.com

LOL.

Those are human certifications, I'm speaking about Hardware certification. (Think of Microsoft WLK, not MSCE !)

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On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

Alexey Eremenko escribió:

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Those are human certifications, I'm speaking about Hardware certification. (Think of Microsoft WLK, not MSCE !)

There is no hardware certification for openSUSE , that's a "not doable" task, but it exists for SLE.

This is quite unfortunate. But I understand the reason: Hardware certification cycle takes longer than openSUSE release cycle :) Too bad there is no CentOS-style distro in the SUSE world :( (community+LTS) -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov"

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, David C. Rankin wrote:-

I haven't checked, but I would wager that the total storage required for a past release + update + build-service even for x86, x86_64, ppc, etc. isn't more that 25G.

You might want to guess again. I don't mirror PPC packages, only having the one PPC based system, and the present space used by update mirrors are: davjam@playing:/media/share/suse/i386/update> du --max-depth=1 -h 8.5G ./9.1 11G ./9.3 24G ./10.1 19G ./10.2 15G ./10.3 2.8G ./11.0 4.0K ./11.1 79G . While my network installation sources use: davjam@playing:/media/share/suse/i386/update/10.3> du --max-depth=1 -h /mounts/cobra-mk3/local/ 0 /mounts/cobra-mk3/local/makeSUSEdvd-src 7.9G /mounts/cobra-mk3/local/openSUSE-10.2-GM 17G /mounts/cobra-mk3/local/openSUSE-10.3-GM 6.8G /mounts/cobra-mk3/local/openSUSE-11.0 0 /mounts/cobra-mk3/local/openSUSE-factory 32G /mounts/cobra-mk3/local/ My local installation source for 10.3 was created using the DVDs from the boxed set as the initial source, and then used rsync and the OSS to make it work properly. For 10.2, I used the boxed set DVD. I haven't (yet) mirrored the OSS repo. The same method was used to create my 11.0 repo, and that is yet to have rsync and the OSS repo "treatment". Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32 | | openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | openSUSE 10.2 64b | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, David C. Rankin wrote:-

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24G ./10.1 19G ./10.2 15G ./10.3 2.8G ./11.0

Shoot, David, looks like I was a bit conservative, but the largest release I see is 10.1 at 24G, I guessed 25G, my calibrated guessing machine missed by less than 5% ;-)

Ah, but that 24G is just for the update mirror. You also included packages from the build service and the installation source as well. As I don't have a 10.1 mirror, and used the DVD contents as the mirror for 10.2, their figure is on the low side. If I use that for the 10.3 source, which is 17G, add on a similar size for the updates, you're already at 41G before even touching the build service. Unfortunately, there isn't an ls-lr.gz file showing what's present so, without locally mirroring it and finding out yourself, or having Novell or a mirror operator give out the figures, no-one is going to really know.

Seriously, let's assume then that storage requirements for "a release" (which would include x86, x86_64, and ppc) maxes out at 100G, then on a standard server hard drive of 500G, we should be able to hold all packages for the current plus the past 4 releases. That would at least take us back to 10.0, assuming each release required 100G.

It would, but then you have to take into consideration the fact that it doesn't just reside on Novells servers. There's a lot of mirrors that wouldn't be happy about holding 500GB of just openSUSE packages, when they're mirroring quite a few other distros, and other software as well.

However, based on your statistics above, an based upon recollection of the cd's from the 8.0 days, it would appear that many releases could live in 50G or less.

Probably for those versions up that were unsupported by the build service. However, once that was brought online, everyone and anyone could start building their own software and the space required probably shot up very rapidly.

I will guess again that Novell/openSuSE has much more spare storage sitting idle than 500G in capacity. Once somebody copied the files and provided the links, then the overhead is done until there is a drive failure.

As above, that's probably okay for Novell. It probably won't be okay for the mirrors.

Yes, everyone should upgrade, but for virtually no-cost Novell could benefit the user base and really market the heck out of the fact that updates through end-of-life are available for all its releases.

It would be nice if they left the previously EOL'd release until the next one goes EOL. E.g. leave 10.2 available up until 10.3 is EOL'd. That would give the users plenty of time to create their own mirror, if they need it. However, it still uses up lots of space on mirrors that they may want to commit to other things. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32 | | openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | openSUSE 10.2 64b | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:

On 2008-08-25T12:58:54, "David C. Rankin" wrote:

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Too bad there is no CentOS-style distro in the SUSE world :( (community+LTS)

That could exist, if someone wanted to.

It's quite clearly not in Novell's interest to do. We prefer people to update, and get the most recent distribution - best user experience, all bugfixes, etc. We clearly don't want people to get hacked running SuSE.

Yes, I do appreciate that position. However, take the recent example of a user needing mod_rewrite for 10.0. That certainly seems like something that should be available and something that would make sense to use until a server upgrade could be scheduled. That is where the value lies for Novell in making at least recent past releases available.

Yes. We look forward to your contribution; afterall, it's only $50. ;-)

Would that be credit or pay-pal ?-)

For us, it simply doesn't make sense. We don't want people accidentially installing old versions, or running versions for which security updates are no longer available. We would be ill-advised to contribute to that, in my opinion.

But if others feel different and disagree, that's fine.

Regards, Lars

It is a double-edge sword, but it seems like something so simple to do. Oh well, at least the issue was visited. Thanks, and do keep it in mind as things go forward. Especially in light of the new, whether-ill advised or not, "rapid-fire" release schedule. Pickup with 10.3 and go forward with a new "leave the repos up 24 mo. past eol policy" and no new effort is required and both the user base and Novell will benefit. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-08-25 at 23:52 +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: ...

For us, it simply doesn't make sense. We don't want people accidentially installing old versions, or running versions for which security updates are no longer available. We would be ill-advised to contribute to that, in my opinion.

But if others feel different and disagree, that's fine.

Well, your "ftp.suse.de" server contains the updates for SuSE-5.2... If that old distro is still there, I don't see why more recent versions can't. Traditionally, you had a "discontinued" directory tree where ALL the old, discontinued distros where kept. There is no need for mirrors to mirror that stuff. And no one would install them confusing them with a still maintained distro, the "discontinued" directory name is self-explaining. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIw7t9tTMYHG2NR9URAs7dAKCS5nSBw8bBKmr1Gl2VTVnVIvxNegCgg7n5 Jmbn3d89U0MgMRXL6tlDJyU= =otk0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I wonder if you read the question at all ?! I'm speaking about hardware certifications, not human certifications... -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

http://developer.novell.com/yessearch/Search.jsp Alexey Eremenko wrote:

I wonder if you read the question at all ?!

I'm speaking about hardware certifications, not human certifications...

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