[opensuse] KDE4 ending: move to plasma involving dramatic change

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Anton Aylward

14 Feb 2017 14 Feb '17

13:31

My (sort-of) regular 'zypper up' has been receiving notices form the KDE repositories that the GPG signatures are approaching EOL. I take that as a hint that KDE4 is approaching an effective EOL. Either that or someone needs to do something about those signatures. Googling around to see what I have to do to upgrade to Plasma I came across http://www.tecmint.com/install-kde-plasma-5-in-linux/ However the paragraph on openSuse isn't helpful. Running a 'zypper search' and looking at the result I find a few packagaes and try zypper in plasma5-desktop \ plasma5-session \ plasma5-workspace \ plasma5-workspace-libs That, however, produces a very drastic change if I choose to bypass the missing dependency for libQt5Core.so. its not as if it comes in as an alternative desktop, its a complete displacement/replacement. A 'high entropy' change. I realise that a complete system upgrade to Leap will get around that. For various reasons I'm not in a position to do that -- another 'high entropy' change -- right now. Are there shorter terms solutions to ameliorate this situation? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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stakanov

14 Feb 14 Feb

13:35

In data martedì 14 febbraio 2017 08:31:01, Anton Aylward ha scritto:

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My (sort-of) regular 'zypper up' has been receiving notices form the KDE repositories that the GPG signatures are approaching EOL. I take that as a hint that KDE4 is approaching an effective EOL. Either that or someone needs to do something about those signatures.

What kind of Repos you are speaking of? 13.2? 42.1 or 2? Of the KDE repos (there has been mail on opensuse-kde that says the repos will require Plasma5. If you did not get that mail, here it is: subject was: [opensuse-kde] FYI: 13.2 and 42.1 support will be dropped in most KDE: repositories, other reorganizations In data mercoledì 8 febbraio 2017 08:25:25, Luca Beltrame ha scritto:

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Hello,

in an effort to save build power and reorganize repositories where it makes sense, we're removing support for 13.2 in the KDE: repositories. This is due to the fact that 13.2 is now EOL'd and the base system is so old that it's difficult to get new dependencies there.

For a similar reason we're removing support for Leap 42.1 from KDE:Applications and KDE:Frameworks5 (and the :Unstable equivalents). The same caveats apply there. 42.1 users will still be able to use the LTS variants of Plasma and Frameworks at KDE:Frameworks5:LTS.

Support for 42.1 will remain in KDE:Extra, because the dependencies are less strict there.

Lastly, KDE:Applications for Leap 42.2 will be adjusted in a way that it will *require* KDE:Frameworks5 to be present. The reasoning is that otherwise it will be impossible to build some parts of the stack (PIM in particular) with the 42.2 base.

These changes will go into effect this weekend.

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Anton Aylward

14:25

On 02/14/2017 08:35 AM, stakanov wrote:

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In data martedì 14 febbraio 2017 08:31:01, Anton Aylward ha scritto:

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My (sort-of) regular 'zypper up' has been receiving notices form the KDE repositories that the GPG signatures are approaching EOL. I take that as a hint that KDE4 is approaching an effective EOL. Either that or someone needs to do something about those signatures.

What kind of Repos you are speaking of? 13.2? 42.1 or 2?

Regular readers will recall that I'm one of the people still using 13.2 I did say in my mail that I'm not ready to change to LEAP yet.

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Of the KDE repos (there has been mail on opensuse-kde that says the repos will require Plasma5. If you did not get that mail, here it is:

subject was: [opensuse-kde] FYI: 13.2 and 42.1 support will be dropped in most KDE: repositories, other reorganizations

Yes I got that, it was one of the things that prompted this avenue of research. Other things I've been doing include purging my system of everything to do with 32bits. I'll get to LEAP eventually, just not right now. But KDE seems more urgent. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Richard Brown

15:16

On 14 February 2017 at 15:25, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 02/14/2017 08:35 AM, stakanov wrote:

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In data martedì 14 febbraio 2017 08:31:01, Anton Aylward ha scritto:

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My (sort-of) regular 'zypper up' has been receiving notices form the KDE repositories that the GPG signatures are approaching EOL. I take that as a hint that KDE4 is approaching an effective EOL. Either that or someone needs to do something about those signatures.

What kind of Repos you are speaking of? 13.2? 42.1 or 2?

Regular readers will recall that I'm one of the people still using 13.2 I did say in my mail that I'm not ready to change to LEAP yet.

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Of the KDE repos (there has been mail on opensuse-kde that says the repos will require Plasma5. If you did not get that mail, here it is:

subject was: [opensuse-kde] FYI: 13.2 and 42.1 support will be dropped in most KDE: repositories, other reorganizations

Yes I got that, it was one of the things that prompted this avenue of research. Other things I've been doing include purging my system of everything to do with 32bits.

I'll get to LEAP eventually, just not right now.

But KDE seems more urgent.

How do you expect to move to plasma5 on 13.2 when the openSUSE KDE team are removing 13.2 from their repositories which provide plasma5? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

16:28

On 02/14/2017 10:16 AM, Richard Brown wrote:

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How do you expect to move to plasma5 on 13.2 when the openSUSE KDE team are removing 13.2 from their repositories which provide plasma5?

If you read what I've written you'll gather that I'm aware of all that. Which is why I'm asking the advice of the list. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

16:32

Le 14/02/2017 à 17:28, Anton Aylward a écrit :

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On 02/14/2017 10:16 AM, Richard Brown wrote:

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How do you expect to move to plasma5 on 13.2 when the openSUSE KDE team are removing 13.2 from their repositories which provide plasma5?

If you read what I've written you'll gather that I'm aware of all that. Which is why I'm asking the advice of the list.

I don't remember why, in the first place, you want to change to plasma? it's probably more problematic than keeping any kde 13.2 can offer jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:25

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2017-02-14 a las 08:31 -0500, Anton Aylward escribió:

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My (sort-of) regular 'zypper up' has been receiving notices form the KDE repositories that the GPG signatures are approaching EOL. I take that as a hint that KDE4 is approaching an effective EOL.

Not necesarily, that's unrelated. But yes, they are removing several of those repos, specially those for unsuported distros.

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Running a 'zypper search' and looking at the result I find a few packagaes and try

zypper in plasma5-desktop \ plasma5-session \ plasma5-workspace \ plasma5-workspace-libs

You should rather search for the proper pattern and install it. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlijE3MACgkQja8UbcUWM1xpagEAi8Q245VkOCZrlR60Cwlrc+jy PpRKi9hIuB5rhH3vJ/cA/jDicfvOBk/2UrUlK4JY5wFpAshkPQ2fqewsr8L8zJVw =TH9H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Anton Aylward

15:21

On 02/14/2017 09:25 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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You should rather search for the proper pattern and install it.

*sigh* I did mention http://www.tecmint.com/install-kde-plasma-5-in-linux/ in my original post and did say that the part about openSuse was unhelpful. That seemed to be based on a 'pattern' if I understand correctly It suggested $ sudo zypper in -t pattern kde kde_plasma and using that I get ------------------ pattern:kde' is already installed. No update candidate for 'kde-20141007-5.1.x86_64'. The highest available version is already installed. 'kde_plasma' not found in package names. Trying capabilities. No provider of 'kde_plasma' found. Resolving package dependencies... Nothing to do. ------------------- Well, "obviously" I don't have a suitable repository set up! "Obviously"! I'm sure somewhere around here Patrick will suggest Tumbleweed and someone will suggest Factory and a pile of people will suggest LEAP and tell me I can on-line upgrade directly to 4.2. Well, Bully! That's too much entropy for my liking.

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-- Cheers Carlos E. R.

(from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

-- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Richard Brown

15:26

On 14 February 2017 at 16:21, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Well, "obviously" I don't have a suitable repository set up! "Obviously"!

I'm sure somewhere around here Patrick will suggest Tumbleweed and someone will suggest Factory

That would be weird given Factory no longer exists as a set of repositories which people can actually see or use.. when it comes to "Factory or Tumbleweed" there is only Tumbleweed, and has been since November 2014. https://news.opensuse.org/2014/10/24/tumbleweed-factory-rolling-releases-to-... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

16:45

On 02/14/2017 10:26 AM, Richard Brown wrote:

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On 14 February 2017 at 16:21, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Well, "obviously" I don't have a suitable repository set up! "Obviously"!

I'm sure somewhere around here Patrick will suggest Tumbleweed and someone will suggest Factory

That would be weird given Factory no longer exists as a set of repositories which people can actually see or use.. when it comes to "Factory or Tumbleweed" there is only Tumbleweed, and has been since November 2014.

https://news.opensuse.org/2014/10/24/tumbleweed-factory-rolling-releases-to-...

Perhaps someone should update the relevant sections of https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_repositories#KDE_Frameworks_5_.26_Plasma_5 since the repositories the part of 13.2 refer to are still active. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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