Re: [SuSE Linux] hotmail.com
---Michael Lankton <mlankton@home.com> wrote:
I would encourage any list members using hotmail not to do so on this list. Most of my spam comes from hotmail accounts
To be fair, I would suspect most of the ones with hotmail.com return addresses are forged bogus Hotmail addresses and is spewed from dial up accounts. That is certainly my experience.
and I'm finally adding the whole domain to my email filter. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a spam problem.
Could you not tweak it further to still accept hotmail with [SuSE Linux] in the subject? On a related note, A girlfriend of mine who used a usa.net account on the road wondered why her mail to me was bouncing. I found out the sysadmin my then ISP was totally filtering out that domain without even bothering to tell the customers. I cancelled service after getting into a debate about it with them. These free web accounts get such a bad rap by being convenient targets by spammers using them to forge a return address that doesn't in fact exist, I hate to see legitimate mail get bounced merely by association. Sorry to take up the bandwidth, just thought I could offer a perspective. I get loads of spam too. Cheers _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at <A HREF="http://mail.yahoo.com"><A HREF="http://mail.yahoo.com</A">http://mail.yahoo.com</A</A>> - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Don't forget who now owns Hotmail, the masters of web insecurity themselves, M$. Think they care what we contend with in spam? Uh... Check out Back Orifice for a real treat. With wrappers, every attachment is dangerous to a Win OS. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/5/98, at 7:03 PM, Kevin Collins wrote:
---Michael Lankton <mlankton@home.com> wrote:
I would encourage any list members using hotmail not to do so on this list. Most of my spam comes from hotmail accounts
To be fair, I would suspect most of the ones with hotmail.com return addresses are forged bogus Hotmail addresses and is spewed from dial up accounts. That is certainly my experience.
and I'm finally adding the whole domain to my email filter. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a spam problem.
Could you not tweak it further to still accept hotmail with [SuSE Linux] in the subject? On a related note, A girlfriend of mine who used a usa.net account on the road wondered why her mail to me was bouncing. I found out the sysadmin my then ISP was totally filtering out that domain without even bothering to tell the customers. I cancelled service after getting into a debate about it with them. These free web accounts get such a bad rap by being convenient targets by spammers using them to forge a return address that doesn't in fact exist, I hate to see legitimate mail get bounced merely by association.
Sorry to take up the bandwidth, just thought I could offer a perspective. I get loads of spam too. Cheers _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at <A HREF="http://mail.yahoo.com"><A HREF="http://mail.yahoo.com</A">http://mail.yahoo.com</A</A>>
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Steve Mills wrote:
Don't forget who now owns Hotmail, the masters of web insecurity themselves, M$. Think they care what we contend with in spam? Uh...
Check out Back Orifice for a real treat. With wrappers, every attachment is dangerous to a Win OS.
Quite right! And, it's one of many reasons I'm moving as quickly as possible to get rid of MS at our dept. at Cornell. Using SL-Mail Server on the NT server has helped some, but then there's NT, and it has a hard time staying up longer than 24 hours without barfing all over it's self. If you boys and girls want to play with something that is not only pure torture to install, but is the most UNsolid server application I've come in contact with, spend some time with MickySoft's Exchange server.<vbg> Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
"Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
Quite right! And, it's one of many reasons I'm moving as quickly as possible to get rid of MS at our dept. at Cornell. Using SL-Mail Server on the NT server has helped some, but then there's NT, and it has a hard time staying up longer than 24 hours without barfing all over it's self. If you boys and girls want to play with something that is not only pure torture to install, but is the most UNsolid server application I've come in contact with, spend some time with MickySoft's Exchange server.<vbg>
I used to be on the Red Hat list and there was folks from Cisco who told of us moving the print servers at Cisco to Linux also. I am an employee at the state's largest ISP and we just broke down and hired an NT specialist to focus on MickySoft's Exchange server issues. -Dee - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
W.D.McKinney wrote:
"Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
Quite right! And, it's one of many reasons I'm moving as quickly as possible to get rid of MS at our dept. at Cornell. Using SL-Mail Server on the NT server has helped some, but then there's NT, and it has a hard time staying up longer than 24 hours without barfing all over it's self. If you boys and girls want to play with something that is not only pure torture to install, but is the most UNsolid server application I've come in contact with, spend some time with MickySoft's Exchange server.<vbg>
I used to be on the Red Hat list and there was folks from Cisco who told of us moving the print servers at Cisco to Linux also. I am an employee at the state's largest ISP and we just broke down and hired an NT specialist to focus on MickySoft's Exchange server issues.
"Rots of ruck!"<g> The best thing that could be done with Exchange Server is "burned at the stake!" The #1 problem with NT is memory management....it doesn't recover memory very well nor manage it. The less RAM a system has, the more often it crashes, or at least that's been my experience and that of others I know. What SuSE's Linux can do in 64MB compared to NT is simply amazing!! The best thing your new "NT specialist" can do, is to learn Linux.<g> Fred -- - Windows 98 supports real multitasking - it can boot and crash simultaneously - Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fmiller@lightlink.com fm@cupserv.org - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
and on a side note, M$ uses Sun Microsystems hardware running Solaris for their hotmail services, they attempted to run it on NT, but it couldnt handle it... just thought somebody may find this interesting :) On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Steve Mills wrote:
Don't forget who now owns Hotmail, the masters of web insecurity themselves, M$. Think they care what we contend with in spam? Uh...
Check out Back Orifice for a real treat. With wrappers, every attachment is dangerous to a Win OS.
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On 9/5/98, at 7:03 PM, Kevin Collins wrote:
---Michael Lankton <mlankton@home.com> wrote:
I would encourage any list members using hotmail not to do so on this list. Most of my spam comes from hotmail accounts
To be fair, I would suspect most of the ones with hotmail.com return addresses are forged bogus Hotmail addresses and is spewed from dial up accounts. That is certainly my experience.
and I'm finally adding the whole domain to my email filter. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a spam problem.
Could you not tweak it further to still accept hotmail with [SuSE Linux] in the subject? On a related note, A girlfriend of mine who used a usa.net account on the road wondered why her mail to me was bouncing. I found out the sysadmin my then ISP was totally filtering out that domain without even bothering to tell the customers. I cancelled service after getting into a debate about it with them. These free web accounts get such a bad rap by being convenient targets by spammers using them to forge a return address that doesn't in fact exist, I hate to see legitimate mail get bounced merely by association.
Sorry to take up the bandwidth, just thought I could offer a perspective. I get loads of spam too. Cheers _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at <A HREF="http://mail.yahoo.com"><A HREF="http://mail.yahoo.com</A">http://mail.yahoo.com</A</A>>
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I seem to get much less spam (from any domain) just because I'm on a freenet. I guess it's probably because of an assumption that people on freenets are less likely to be credit-worthy. Of course, there are filters upstream from me too, so maybe the spam is getting filtered out as well. Every couple of weeks, a spam makes it to me. Trivial, compared with some people's problems. On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Kevin Collins wrote:
---Michael Lankton <mlankton@home.com> wrote:
I would encourage any list members using hotmail not to do so on this list. Most of my spam comes from hotmail accounts
To be fair, I would suspect most of the ones with hotmail.com return addresses are forged bogus Hotmail addresses and is spewed from dial up accounts. That is certainly my experience.
and I'm finally adding the whole domain to my email filter. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a spam problem.
Could you not tweak it further to still accept hotmail with [SuSE Linux] in the subject? On a related note, A girlfriend of mine who used a usa.net account on the road wondered why her mail to me was bouncing. I found out the sysadmin my then ISP was totally filtering out that domain without even bothering to tell the customers. I cancelled service after getting into a debate about it with them. These free web accounts get such a bad rap by being convenient targets by spammers using them to forge a return address that doesn't in fact exist, I hate to see legitimate mail get bounced merely by association.
Sorry to take up the bandwidth, just thought I could offer a perspective. I get loads of spam too. Cheers _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at <A HREF="http://mail.yahoo.com"><A HREF="http://mail.yahoo.com</A">http://mail.yahoo.com</A</A>>
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At 19:53 05.09.98 -0700, you wrote:
I seem to get much less spam (from any domain) just because I'm on a freenet. I guess it's probably because of an assumption that people on freenets are less likely to be credit-worthy.
No, Spammers don't care about who gets the spam, as long as many people get the spam. They buy (or grab) email addresses by the thousand. I am in Germany and I get spam for things that are only usable in the USA (if you can speak of spam-advertised items as "usable", heck you know what I mean). Like books on tax reduction/fraud. The #1 thing you can do to reduce spam: Don't post to the USENET. Sad, Sad, Sad. Nils <A HREF="http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/"><A HREF="http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/</A">http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/</A</A>> ICQ UIN: 3322540 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
At 19:03 05.09.98 -0700, you wrote:
bouncing. I found out the sysadmin my then ISP was totally filtering out that domain without even bothering to tell the customers. I
A local College is filtering *all* mail from AOL and a couple of other providers, for the very same reason. :)
by spammers using them to forge a return address that doesn't in fact exist, I hate to see legitimate mail get bounced merely by association.
Yeah have to agree here. Most people don't have a choice but use free mailers (for example family members who share one internet account), plus in theory it's nice to have an address that you can keep when switching providers. Spamming is a problem that can't be solved by rigorous filtering, it can only be solved if admins deal harshly with offenders and kill their accounts immediately. Someone should build a "blacklist" of known spammers <eg>..... when an ISP kills a spammer account, they list them in the spammer-db and the next isp can easily check the db. "No, sorry, but we don't give spammers accounts." Okay...I am rambling ;) <A HREF="http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/"><A HREF="http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/</A">http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/</A</A>> ICQ UIN: 3322540 - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, nils@work.de produced:
kill their accounts immediately. Someone should build a "blacklist" of known spammers <eg>..... when an ISP kills a spammer account, they list them in the spammer-db and the next isp can easily check the db. "No, sorry, but we don't give spammers accounts." Okay...I am rambling ;)
Well, the problem here is that spammers change credit cardsetc as well, so how do you track them? They just start a new fly-by-night company, get new accounts, loose them, repeat. Alternatively they register with one rogue ISP (AGIS was a great problem in this respect: you could not cut them off as they are a backbone provider. Luckily AllYouGetIsSpam did see the light some (longer) time ago; it is said with the help of crackers. However if you mean a blacklist of known spamming IP's, I'll direct you to the Realtime Blackhole List (<A HREF="http://maps.vix.com/rbl/"><A HREF="http://maps.vix.com/rbl/</A">http://maps.vix.com/rbl/</A</A>>). -Wolfgang -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Wolfgang Weisselberg <weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
Alternatively they register with one rogue ISP (AGIS was a great problem in this respect: you could not cut them off as they are a backbone provider.
I have heard the AGIS is fast cleaning their act up as we speak. -Dee W.D.McKinney (Dee) deem@wdm.com Faith is acting on your passions and beliefs. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, deem@wdm.com produced:
I have heard the AGIS is fast cleaning their act up as we speak.
As I said, they saw the light some time ago ... -Wolfgang -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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