On 8/8/24 14:04, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

Op donderdag 8 augustus 2024 21:04:05 CEST schreef Lew Wolfgang:

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Hi Folks,

One of my PM's wanted an account on a server he's paying me to manage, so I set it up with xrdp so he can connect from his Windows desktop. I configured it to run Plasma and KDE.

Now he's asking for a tutorial on KDE, and probably Linux in general. Does anyone have any recommendations for a newbee to Linux? He's heavily steeped in the Way of Windows, I'm afraid. But at least he wants to learn.

Thanks in advance, Lew Sorry, do the job you're being payed for.

Thanks for the advice!  I guess I'll ask my friend at ChatGPT. openSUSE has some nice Gnome documentation, would you suggest that we switch? Regards, Lew

On 8/8/24 15:00, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 8/8/24 2:04 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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Hi Folks,

One of my PM's wanted an account on a server he's paying me to manage, so I set it up with xrdp so he can connect from his Windows desktop.   I configured it to run Plasma and KDE.

Now he's asking for a tutorial on KDE, and probably Linux in general.  Does anyone have any recommendations for a newbee to Linux?  He's heavily steeped in the Way of Windows, I'm afraid.  But at least he wants to learn.

Thanks in advance, Lew

In addition to Gertjan's reply,

  If you just want to help the guy, it would make sense to figure out what he will primarily use the server for. There are a million "Top 20 Linux Command Line Utility" pages, etc.., but what I've found the most helpful is "context".

  If you know what he needs to do (taskwise), a short paragraph on whatever it is, whether it be setting up a directory structure, creating similar user environments (.bashrc, etc..), or the like usually adds enough "context" that the "Top 20 Linux Command Line Utility" pages then make sense.

  Rather broad. Think of it in reverse. "I have a windows server and set up a guy with Win 11 and rdesktop so he could reach it -- how do I teach him windows?" So "context" matters.

  Good luck.

...and remember, "No good deed goes unpunished..."

Good suggestions, David. He's an engineer (not sure what variety) and I think he'll do fine He complained about not being able to log in either by ssh from Windows or via the xrdp session.  He didn't notice that Windows was adding "ad\" to the front of his username in the MS ssh client, and he was trying to use his kerberos password in the xrdp login.  His local password worked.  I may have to look into that, pam should be able to handle it. Then, a little later I noticed that he found Linux tutorial videos on a tech training site:  Udemy.  I gave him some command-line pointers and the discussion quickly lead to IPv4 and IPv6, subnet masks, and CIDR addressing. I suggested that he relax and realize that the UNIX/Linux philosophy is really different from that of Windows.  I mentioned redirection, pipes, and whatnot.  Learn from a clean base, leave the Micro$oft baggage behind.  That's what I was looking for, some document that gets to the root of things before teaching command strings by rote. Indeed, I've been punished a lot... Regards, Lew

On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 21:50:43 -0500 "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@gmail.com> wrote:

He's an engineer, he'll figure it out, there is just no shortcut for butt-in-chair time reading...

I don't use KDE, but https://docs.kde.org/ and https://userbase.kde.org/Welcome_to_KDE_UserBase seem like a reasonable starting point.

On 2024-08-09 04:50, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 8/8/24 9:20 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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I suggested that he relax and realize that the UNIX/Linux philosophy is really different from that of Windows.  I mentioned redirection, pipes, and whatnot.  Learn from a clean base, leave the Micro$oft baggage behind.  That's what I was looking for, some document that gets to the root of things before teaching command strings by rote.

Indeed, I've been punished a lot...

Chuckling... Amen...

  Get the guy PuTTY so he has a reliable command line to log into his server with without the GUI. PuTTY can be configured to use public/private key auth, so he can configure it and fire it up without needing a password all the time.

Putty is fine for using the command line, but give MobaXterm a try. It is a terminal, yes, but can start graphical X commands into Windows. It is less heavy on a server than using a full remote session. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)