I asked you all for advise awhile back on what network adapter to purchase. I have to have an ISA adapter that is capable of 100Mb. I've looked over your suggestions, and came up with the following: Intel PCLA8560 EEPRO/100 FETH ISA RJ45 NIC 100BTX Can anyone verify that this is supported by Linux? The price on this baby is $89...approximately double what I could get a similar Intel PCI adapter for. Does anybody know of a supported ISA adapter that is cheaper than this? I need to order this ASAP...so prompt suggestions would be apprecitated. Rick - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>

Thanks but I would like to dodge the problem at this stage of *first time with Linux*. I'll wait to see if you do find something. I looked at the SuSE page but could not evaluate what I was seeing regarding the problems I may be headed into. Thanks. ... Ray Date sent: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:59:12 -0500 From: dizzy <dizzy73@connix.com> Organization: Online Services To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] Question regarding ver.of SuSE Linux 5.3 Send reply to: suse-linux-e@suse.com

There is only one way to find out... ;-) seriously though, if you have space and the machine is not doing anything it certainly wouldnt do any harm. Also, the "bug" was in yast and a fix issued see <A HREF="http://www.suse.de/e/patches/53_update.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de/e/patches/53_update.html</A">http://www.suse.de/e/patches/53_update.html</A</A>> however Im not sure how to apply it if you're about to install. Maybe a mail to suse? I havent noticed Hubert or LenZ on the list in a week or so actually there was another workaround that Alan Riggins gave me when I first installed in Sept exactly at the time of the release. Its just a matter of using fdisk instead of yast to partition the disk (if I remember correctly) Ill try and find and post it here Id say go for it! rob Linux Home page

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Ray Revette wrote:

Thanks but I would like to dodge the problem at this stage of *first time with Linux*. I'll wait to see if you do find something. I looked at the SuSE page but could not evaluate what I was seeing regarding the problems I may be headed into. Thanks. ... Ray

The problem with the original SuSE 5.3 CD#1 was that its disk partitioning routines could cause a problem if there was space on your hard drive that was not already allocated to some partition. Their web site gives a work around that basically says just go into DOS and create a new partition to mark off the unused space before you start the Linux installation. It is not a serious problem at all and easy to get around. In fact most people won't even notice any problem at all. Believe me, it's nothing compared to what you'll have to learn to get your soundcard or internet connection working. Your remarks above set my warning bells ringing. I've introduced many people to Linux and the ones who stayed with it were all IT professionals who wanted to use it as a learning tool. The ones who abandoned it did so fairly quickly when they understood that it was going to cost some effort on their part. If you found it difficult to understand the explanation on the SuSE site and you are that keen to avoid difficult initial experiences then I'd seriously suggest you avoid Linux for the time being as it is not yet exactly a user-friendly system in the sense that for example a Macintosh is reputed to be. Possibly Caldera OpenLinux differs in this respect (it's supposed to anyway) but all the Linux distributions I know need you either to be competent with Unix-type systems or to become competent. Basically you only get out of it what you are prepared to put into it. Problems do arise whenever you try something new with it but they are all soluble with a bit of effort. It differs from Windows in that respect of course. With Windows, it doesn't matter how competent you become, if something doesn't work properly, it simply never will no matter what you do to it. As it happens this is why I love Linux so much - I'm learning new stuff all the time, and most of what I've learned is easily applicable to other platforms. Oh, and of course, once you get something working on Linux it tends to stay working. Ralph -- rclark@virgosolutions.demon.co.uk Ralph Clark, Virgo Solutions Ltd (UK) __ _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ * Powerful * Flexible * Compatible * Reliable * / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / *Well Supported * Thousands of New Users Every Day* /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ The Cost Effective Choice - Linux Means Business! - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>

On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Ralph Clark wrote:

lunaslide wrote:

...

At 04:58 PM 1/5/99 -0500, you wrote:

...

I'm new to Linux and have been reading/lurking for some time but now am ready to do it [the first install].

I've had my S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3 for about six months now. The date on the ends of the case of CD disks is July 1998.

Is this this buggy edition from the early release, that was the talk of the day a few months back? Is it OK to go with or should I try and get a later release?

Help with this potentially aggravating problem is welcomed now. Don't need extra difficulty if it can be avoided now. Thanks..

There are updates on the SuSE ftp site. SuSE tends to be less buggy out of the box than RH, in my experience.

Here's an experiment, especially for the guy or gal asking about the diff between Red Hat and SuSE: go to both sites and look at the list of Errata for each distribution. It's enlightening! After installing RH 5.1 and then looking at that, my next distribution was SuSE.

That's the main reason I switched from Red Hat 5.0 to SuSE 5.3 as well. We have to be careful here though; if Linux distributors thought issuing more bug fixes made their product look bad, they might become more reluctant to do it. Like for example how long did it take Microsoft to release a service pack to correct the mistakes in Windows 98? They knew about those bugs even before the prodict was launched but the early release of a service pack would have been a pulic admission that the product was bug-ridden.

Well, historically, they actually started on a service pack right after the Win98 release. I know, because I was scheduled to test it :) Only problem was that I had formatted Win98 and installed Linux :)

One other downside of all those updates is that although there is a patch format for rpms, it's hardly ever used - you almost always have to download the whole package even for a minor bug fix. And then you've got to find space for it on backup media too.

Ralph

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I asked you all for advise awhile back on what network adapter to purchase. I have to have an ISA adapter that is capable of 100Mb. I've looked over your suggestions, and came up with the following: Intel PCLA8560 EEPRO/100 FETH ISA RJ45 NIC 100BTX Can anyone verify that this is supported by Linux? The price on this baby is $89...approximately double what I could get a similar Intel PCI adapter for. Does anybody know of a supported ISA adapter that is cheaper than this? I need to order this ASAP...so prompt suggestions would be apprecitated. Rick - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>

Thanks but I would like to dodge the problem at this stage of *first time with Linux*. I'll wait to see if you do find something. I looked at the SuSE page but could not evaluate what I was seeing regarding the problems I may be headed into. Thanks. ... Ray Date sent: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:59:12 -0500 From: dizzy <dizzy73@connix.com> Organization: Online Services To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SuSE Linux] Question regarding ver.of SuSE Linux 5.3 Send reply to: suse-linux-e@suse.com

There is only one way to find out... ;-) seriously though, if you have space and the machine is not doing anything it certainly wouldnt do any harm. Also, the "bug" was in yast and a fix issued see <A HREF="http://www.suse.de/e/patches/53_update.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de/e/patches/53_update.html</A">http://www.suse.de/e/patches/53_update.html</A</A>> however Im not sure how to apply it if you're about to install. Maybe a mail to suse? I havent noticed Hubert or LenZ on the list in a week or so actually there was another workaround that Alan Riggins gave me when I first installed in Sept exactly at the time of the release. Its just a matter of using fdisk instead of yast to partition the disk (if I remember correctly) Ill try and find and post it here Id say go for it! rob Linux Home page

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Ray Revette wrote:

Thanks but I would like to dodge the problem at this stage of *first time with Linux*. I'll wait to see if you do find something. I looked at the SuSE page but could not evaluate what I was seeing regarding the problems I may be headed into. Thanks. ... Ray

The problem with the original SuSE 5.3 CD#1 was that its disk partitioning routines could cause a problem if there was space on your hard drive that was not already allocated to some partition. Their web site gives a work around that basically says just go into DOS and create a new partition to mark off the unused space before you start the Linux installation. It is not a serious problem at all and easy to get around. In fact most people won't even notice any problem at all. Believe me, it's nothing compared to what you'll have to learn to get your soundcard or internet connection working. Your remarks above set my warning bells ringing. I've introduced many people to Linux and the ones who stayed with it were all IT professionals who wanted to use it as a learning tool. The ones who abandoned it did so fairly quickly when they understood that it was going to cost some effort on their part. If you found it difficult to understand the explanation on the SuSE site and you are that keen to avoid difficult initial experiences then I'd seriously suggest you avoid Linux for the time being as it is not yet exactly a user-friendly system in the sense that for example a Macintosh is reputed to be. Possibly Caldera OpenLinux differs in this respect (it's supposed to anyway) but all the Linux distributions I know need you either to be competent with Unix-type systems or to become competent. Basically you only get out of it what you are prepared to put into it. Problems do arise whenever you try something new with it but they are all soluble with a bit of effort. It differs from Windows in that respect of course. With Windows, it doesn't matter how competent you become, if something doesn't work properly, it simply never will no matter what you do to it. As it happens this is why I love Linux so much - I'm learning new stuff all the time, and most of what I've learned is easily applicable to other platforms. Oh, and of course, once you get something working on Linux it tends to stay working. Ralph -- rclark@virgosolutions.demon.co.uk Ralph Clark, Virgo Solutions Ltd (UK) __ _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ * Powerful * Flexible * Compatible * Reliable * / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / *Well Supported * Thousands of New Users Every Day* /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ The Cost Effective Choice - Linux Means Business! - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>